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  On 19/09/2010 at 13:12, Jaded said:

I have issues with the size of his forehead. It is just abnormally large. That concerns me.

Also, he's not very good.

Lol. He has been drinking the tonic.

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  On 19/09/2010 at 13:12, Jaded said:

I have issues with the size of his forehead. It is just abnormally large. That concerns me.

Also, he's not very good.

Maybe he can play soccer. LOL

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  On 18/09/2010 at 11:18, agent_orange said:

Neither are you!

Snap!

I would have no problems with Melbourne pursuing Jack Anthony, he seems like a solid forward who is somewhat out of favour with the coach and not helped much by the spontaneous evolution of big Chris Dawes. Just wouldn't want to see anything hefty being put on the table for his services.

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  On 22/09/2010 at 08:10, Deez Nutz said:

Snap!

I would have no problems with Melbourne pursuing Jack Anthony, he seems like a solid forward who is somewhat out of favour with the coach and not helped much by the spontaneous evolution of big Chris Dawes. Just wouldn't want to see anything hefty being put on the table for his services.

Sums it up perfectly. For the right price, anyone who can fill the stay at home forward void we have will be a handy inclusion.

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  On 22/09/2010 at 09:42, No16 said:

Sums it up perfectly. For the right price, anyone who can fill the stay at home forward void we have will be a handy inclusion.

Nope, summed it up poorly.

Not at any price, steer well clear, do not may eye contact.


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The guy is a worse person than he is a player.

And that is saying something...

Bailey wants a big lump to put in the square that can give 40 mins in the ruck.

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  On 23/09/2010 at 01:13, daisycutter said:

NO

I'd just feel dirty if we traded anyone from the filth.

I'm far more interested in Josh Fraser than Jack Anthony. Fraser is versatile and appears to have a good footy brain and knows where to position himself to assist Watts and Jurrah. He can ruck quite well to assist Jamar and wouild be a perfect foil. If jamar gets injured he can play #1. He's 29 at the start of next year - that means he'll be 32 in 4 years in 2014 - it'd be better if he was two years younger but he's not too old. The question mark is on his knee - we'd need a solid medical. Yes he's not an aggressive big man but I think his smarts outweigh that - we don't want a big dumb lunk (aka Will).

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  On 23/09/2010 at 04:22, old55 said:

I'm far more interested in Josh Fraser than Jack Anthony. Fraser is versatile and appears to have a good footy brain and knows where to position himself to assist Watts and Jurrah. He can ruck quite well to assist Jamar and wouild be a perfect foil. If jamar gets injured he can play #1. He's 29 at the start of next year - that means he'll be 32 in 4 years in 2014 - it'd be better if he was two years younger but he's not too old. The question mark is on his knee - we'd need a solid medical. Yes he's not an aggressive big man but I think his smarts outweigh that - we don't want a big dumb lunk (aka Will).

Thats true what you say of Frser, but I'd rather J Charman to perform that same temp position. And possibly cheaper to get.

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  On 23/09/2010 at 03:04, rpfc said:

The guy is a worse person than he is a player.

And that is saying something...

Yes. He is a cocky, massively over-rated, one-dimensional, arrogant little bumwipe.

  On 23/09/2010 at 03:04, rpfc said:

Bailey wants a big lump to put in the square that can give 40 mins in the ruck.

You really think that?

I think we need to be looking for a Leigh Brown-type player. Someone who is better around the ground than in the ruck, not just a 'big lump' to sit in the forward line.


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  On 24/09/2010 at 01:55, titan_uranus said:

Yes. He is a cocky, massively over-rated, one-dimensional, arrogant little bumwipe.

You really think that?

I think we need to be looking for a Leigh Brown-type player. Someone who is better around the ground than in the ruck, not just a 'big lump' to sit in the forward line.

Jurrah, Petterd, Watts, Green, and this extra 'around the ground' forward ruckman would fall over each other.

I've heard Bailey talk about this a few times and I think his head is at a big, FP/FF that can swap with Jamar for 10 mins a quarter. Provide a stay at home target that allows Green to not be that target.

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  On 24/09/2010 at 03:42, rpfc said:

Jurrah, Petterd, Watts, Green, and this extra 'around the ground' forward ruckman would fall over each other.

I've heard Bailey talk about this a few times and I think his head is at a big, FP/FF that can swap with Jamar for 10 mins a quarter. Provide a stay at home target that allows Green to not be that target.

Not convinced. That implies we have a gorilla in the forward line for 20 or so minutes per quarter. Whoever this lump is, he'd have to be as effective as someone like Dawes or Koschitzke.

Edit: I'm fine with Green playing FF by the way.

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  On 24/09/2010 at 06:58, titan_uranus said:

Not convinced. That implies we have a gorilla in the forward line for 20 or so minutes per quarter. Whoever this lump is, he'd have to be as effective as someone like Dawes or Koschitzke.

Edit: I'm fine with Green playing FF by the way.

I am to an extent, but Green doesn't bring into play Wonna or any crumbers that a big lump would.

Bailey is the one superkeen for it. And he think he is onto something.

I agree with having an effective lump. It's just the best way to provide Jamar with a break but have a decent ruck aswell as a decent forward.

He's trying to kill to positions with the one player (to bastardise a metaphor).

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  On 24/09/2010 at 08:00, rpfc said:

I am to an extent, but Green doesn't bring into play Wonna or any crumbers that a big lump would.

Bailey is the one superkeen for it. And he think he is onto something.

I agree with having an effective lump. It's just the best way to provide Jamar with a break but have a decent ruck aswell as a decent forward.

He's trying to kill to positions with the one player (to bastardise a metaphor).

Yep.

If the interchange restrictions happen (which looks extreamly likely) then the 2nd ruck position will become obsolete.

Instead every club will need a number 1 ruck and a big forward or back who can ruck while giving the number 1 ruck a break. Jamar, Spencer and Gawn are the true rucks. Fitzpatrick is a forward who can ruck. Martin is hopefully a forward or back who can ruck. Paul Johnson is a 2nd ruck, and is now not needed.

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I'm still struggling to understand the difference between Leigh Brown and Paul Johnson. Paul Johnson has had purple patches in the past where he was played adequate-to-good football too. Brown is obviously a better player (his purple patch has taken him to good-to-excellent), but they're both the same "type" - that is, crappy midfielders in oversized bodies. My tip is that Leigh Brown will go down as a premiership hero at Collingwood this year, then next year he'll be back to the same old pile of dud that he was before.

General question to those who want a "Leigh Brown type": I can't think of any other player in the league in this mould besides these two, so if it isn't PJ you want, who exactly is it that you want?

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  On 24/09/2010 at 09:42, Nasher said:

I'm still struggling to understand the difference between Leigh Brown and Paul Johnson. Paul Johnson has had purple patches in the past where he was played adequate-to-good football too. Brown is obviously a better player (his purple patch has taken him to good-to-excellent), but they're both the same "type" - that is, crappy midfielders in oversized bodies. My tip is that Leigh Brown will go down as a premiership hero at Collingwood this year, then next year he'll be back to the same old pile of dud that he was before.

General question to those who want a "Leigh Brown type": I can't think of any other player in the league in this mould besides these two, so if it isn't PJ you want, who exactly is it that you want?

Totally Agree with all that.

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Goals per game: 1.2 to 0.4

Tackles per game: 4.5 to 1.4

Marks per game: 4.6 to 1.6

Johnson actually is a much better ruckman than Brown (although I don't think PJ is much of a ruckman), but the problem is that the role is different.

PJ is caught in between, because he doesn't do enough when he's not in the ruck for him to play as a second ruckman, but he isn't good enough in the ruck to be a bonafide number 1 ruckman. His passable rucking is fine if he was actually holding his place as a key forward. Unfortunately he is just playing as a passable ruckman who doesn't offer anything up forward. Brown can hold his place as a forward or backman .... he just happens to also play somewhat competitively in the ruck for periods to give Jolly a rest.

Brown is a forward who can play in the ruck for short periods, whereas Johnson is a ruckman.

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