A DIFFERENT DRAFT

[jayceebee31 761]

Agree on the best available- however if this is a tall -PLEASE do not expect him to be a star in 2011.Talls need time...

Furthermore,it is my opinion that we have to have 3 picks.however with the rookie changes now- I do not know if indeed we upgrade ,say Jordie that would qualify for a pick..ditto- Jake Spencer

Edited September 6, 2010 by jayceebee31

[JACKATTACK 17]

THE DIFFERENT DRAFT - SELECTION 12, MELBOURNE by Whispering Jack

Unfortunately, Melbourne has hardly produced any star players in this category over the years although paradoxically, the greatest goal kicking effort in AFL/VFL history has been the 18 goal bag of Fred Fanning in the final round of the 1947 season.

In the Norm Smith Book (Red Fox) it is said that Fred Fanning turned to Don Cordner as he ran onto the field that day and said he was going to kick 18 goals.

True or not, that's awesome.

After that game he left to go play country footy, aged 24. Footy has changed.

[Red and Blue Flame 187]

What other picks do we have?

[H_T 3,049]

Any chance Alex Keith might reconsider his choice of cricket over footy ?

[Red and Blue Flame 187]

Keath*

Mates with him- no chance. He's playing cricket and the Vics have got him on a very nice contract!

[Guest Rojik of the Arctic]

I still think the most pressing need is to improve our delivery out of defence. I think Smedts or Heppell would provide this at 12, without sacrificing the kind of defensive abilities you'd expect of a quality backman...

More and more I think that a quality mid sized back man is the no 1 priority. Our forwards score pretty well when it gets there, and the mids are going to only get better, but if we want to be a powerhouse we need a player like a young "Stiffy" Johncock in the backline. Having said that I don't know enough about the magoos to know if Strauss can do that job or even if somebody like Maric might be able to fit the bill.

The delivery out of the backline is what is hurting us. When it works we look bloody good but when it doesn't... well, the less said the better.

I also wouldn't mind trading a later draft pick and/or fringe player for a ruckman that would serve us for two or so years to give Jamar some rest as the marking strong body up forward. He doesn't need to be good as long as he is capable for 25 minutes a game.

[ChaserJ 5,112]

More and more I think that a quality mid sized back man is the no 1 priority. Our forwards score pretty well when it gets there, and the mids are going to only get better, but if we want to be a powerhouse we need a player like a young "Stiffy" Johncock in the backline. Having said that I don't know enough about the magoos to know if Strauss can do that job or even if somebody like Maric might be able to fit the bill.

The delivery out of the backline is what is hurting us. When it works we look bloody good but when it doesn't... well, the less said the better.

I’m torn between strong forward and elite kicking halfback. Really like the look of Dyson Heppell, so would be stoked if we got him. Brodie Smith and Billie Smedts are the other half backs I like. If we do go with a HBF at 12, then perhaps someone like Luke Mitchell may slip to our second rounder. Would be a KPP steal if we could pick him up there. If we go for a forward at 12, Tom Lynch is the one I like. Possible that none of these get through to 12, but I’m confident that we’ll get a very good player at this pick.

Edited September 9, 2010 by ChaserJ

[Redleg 40,994]

Agree on the best available- however if this is a tall -PLEASE do not expect him to be a star in 2011.Talls need time...

Furthermore,it is my opinion that we have to have 3 picks.however with the rookie changes now- I do not know if indeed we upgrade ,say Jordie that would qualify for a pick..ditto- Jake Spencer

You have to delist at least three players but you could upgrade three rookies and you wouldn't need to enter the draft, if that was your desire. I believe you are also allowed to play short, that is you don't have a full list if you want to go that way.

[jayceebee31 761]

You have to delist at least three players but you could upgrade three rookies and you wouldn't need to enter the draft, if that was your desire. I believe you are also allowed to play short, that is you don't have a full list if you want to go that way.

Thanks for informing me. I thought this was so- however was not sure.It will be very interesting what the FD does.They will upgrade Jordie McKenzie. Don't know about Spencer..do they either have to upgrade him or delist him or can they retain him as a rookie?. please advise. thanks in anticipation.

Edited September 9, 2010 by jayceebee31

[daisycutter 29,627]

Thanks for informing me. I thought this was so- however was not sure.It will be very interesting what the FD does.They will upgrade Jordie McKenzie. Don't know about Spencer..do they either have to upgrade him or delist him or can they retain him as a rookie?. please advise. thanks in anticipation.

I understand the AFL has temporarily reduced the minimum number of draftees per club and will count rookie upgrades as drafts

This is due to the reduced number of cattle available due to the Jan-Apr 17 YOs snaffled up by GC17 last year, and to lack of high draft picks available due to GC17's high number of first round picks.

Someone here hopefully will respond with the exact numbers

[1858 285]

Thanks for informing me. I thought this was so- however was not sure.It will be very interesting what the FD does.They will upgrade Jordie McKenzie. Don't know about Spencer..do they either have to upgrade him or delist him or can they retain him as a rookie?. please advise. thanks in anticipation.

On ustream Schwabby mentioned that they are looking at elevating him to the senior list. He said that they definitely aren't delisting him (which I think only gives them 1 option anyway as he can't stay on the RL I don't think.

[Guest watts04]

I know best available is good policy but thinkin this should be ditched for this draft and it should be best avail over 190cm

[Grandson of a gun 276]

In Bailey's interview on SEN today he again highlighted the clubs desire for a tall, strong, stay at home forward.

This is a fair indication of what they are looking for through the draft i would have thought (or by trade).

[jayceebee31 761]

I know best available is good policy but thinkin this should be ditched for this draft and it should be best avail over 190cm

Thank God-Jack Darling has grown and is now 191 cms tall.

[Guest hangon007]

I understand the AFL has temporarily reduced the minimum number of draftees per club and will count rookie upgrades as drafts

This is due to the reduced number of cattle available due to the Jan-Apr 17 YOs snaffled up by GC17 last year, and to lack of high draft picks available due to GC17's high number of first round picks.

Someone here hopefully will respond with the exact numbers

That was my understanding had you had to rotate minimum 3 players off your senior list.

However, they brought in a sneaky little beauty this year. You dont have to finalise your last spot on your "Rookie" list until after the NAB Cup Grand Final and prior to the start of the premiership season. Think you can have like a nominated 3 extra players in a "training squad" type arrangement. Now thats a little cracker!!!

[Doc 0]

Will have to look seriously at young Mitchell who played in the U/18 Grand Final at the weekend. He is a late comer to the game is a natural forward and a very good kick for goal. Has great agility and is very good below his knees. Will go from a late draft pick rookie to a possible first rounder. May be exactly what we need?

[GOLF 13]

There are two issues intertwining here:

1) What do we need

2) What of our needs should we be going for in the draft, and what in trade/rookie pickups.

The Ruck position is that we need an AFL ready backup for Jamar to serve for the next 2 years. After that, Gawn, Spencer and Fitzpatrick may take up the slack. Unless we are happy with PJ for this role, we should trade for a mature ruck. Probably wont be available in the draft. Can be quite old as he only needs to last 2 years. Would be nice if he could stand in the forward line, kick one goals a game, and knock a few dowm to our smalls.

The need of a KPF is for insurance in case Watts/Fitzpatrick don't make it. Choice between one who is ready to go at AFL level now (through trade) or a youngster in the draft who may not be really firing by 2013. Dealers choice.

The skilled defender with the deadly foot will most likely need pick 12 in the draft. I'd like at least 190cm.

So I would trade whoever we need to outside our core or whatever picks we need to except for pick 12 for a big hard ruck. If you accept a 28 yo, there shoulkd be someone available. If we can't get an AFL experienced guy, go for Orren Stephenson from North Ballarat by whatever means.

Then work out where to look for the tall KPF insurance.

But keep pick 12 for the skilled defender.

[Hobbits's 17]

But keep pick 12 for the skilled defender.

keep pick 12 for the best available footballer.

[Demonland 72,448]

A DIFFERENT DRAFT - THE DRAFT COMBINE by Whispering Jack

We are all now painfully aware that with the impending introduction of two new AFL franchises, the coming trade period and drafts will be dominated by the new club, the Gold Coast Suns. The concessions made available to the new club from the Sunshine State have been well documented.

The Suns have already dominated the news in so far as player transfers are concerned. Five players have already announced they are leaving their clubs to play for the AFL 's new boys - Nathan Bock (Adelaide), Campbell Brown (Hawthorn), Jarrod Harbrow (Western Bulldogs), Nathan Krakouer (Port Adelaide) and Michael Rischitelli (Brisbane) - and we know there's at least another big scalp waiting in the wings for the AFL to give it's nod to the final announcement.

We're a little over a week from the start of trade week but only a couple of days from this year's draft camp which has attracted a new name - the AFL Draft Combine. The AFL has increased the number of players included in the group to be looked at by scouts from 18 clubs to 100 from all states and territories.

That's the number of invitees to the 2010 NAB AFL Draft National Combine including a dozen 17 year olds who will come under the scrutiny of the AFL's 18th club Greater Western Sydney.

According to the AFL, the term "combine" describes "the search for talent as the AFL seeks the combination of the football skills, athletic capabilities and mental toughness needed to play at the elite level."

A further 112 players have been invited to the 2010 NAB AFL Draft State Combine which takes place next week in Melbourne, Adelaide and Perth.

The clubs will be straight down to business in the week after Saturday's grand final replay with the exchange period. Once again, the Gold Coast Suns are expected to dominate proceedings with a treasure trove of money, extra salary cap room and a welter of top picks and players from outside the system to trade.

A month later on November 18, 2010 the NAB AFL Draft will be held with the Gold Coast Suns holding the majority of the early draft picks.

The venue?

The Gold Coast Convention Centre of course!

What is the NAB AFL Draft Combine?

The following list of players invited to the 2010 NAB AFL Draft National Combine has been released by the AFL in the following positional groups:-

Small Forwards

Camp No. – Player (Club, State) HT, WT, D.O.B.

1 Reece Conca (Perth, WA) 182, 76, 12.08.92 Versatile player who can play forward midfield or back. His ability to run and carry and his football smarts were prominent in representing WA at U18 level this year.

2 Sam Crocker (Oakleigh Chargers, Vic) 180, 73, 12.03.92 Midfielder who can play forward and use his excellent disposal to set-up goals. Quick and strong overhead for his size he also makes good decisions with the football. Averaged 19 disposals with Chargers this year at 65% efficiency.

3 Josh Green (Clarence, Tas) 179, 76, 24.08.92 Quick and agile midfielder/forward who reads the game extremely well and wins contested footy. Won TAS MVP in AFL U18's and All Aust honours averaging 25 disposals.

4 Cameron Johnston (Geelong Falcons, Vic) 181, 78, 24.02.92 Quick and versatile player who can play hit-up forward role or go down back. Very athletic type overall and a long kick.

5 Jed Lamb (Gippsland Power, Vic) 181, 78, 19.10.92 Clever forward with clean hands overhead and at ground level, very good awareness. Super smart goal kicker in all situations kicking 44 goals this year for Power and VIC-Country U18's.

6 Tim Milera (Pt Adelaide Magpies, SA) 170, 72, 9.12.92 Skilful and talented genuine small forward in the Eddie Betts mould. Great goal sense, clean hands and has been impressive at senior level this year.

7 Dion Prestia (Calder Cannons, Vic) 175, 82, 12.10.92 Powerful inside midfielder/forward with excellent disposal skills and contested ball winning ability. Averaged 28 disposals in the TAC Cup and represented Victoria Metro in the AFL U18's with injuries curtailing his Championships.

8 Matthew Rankine (West Adelaide, SA) 179, 70, 20.02.92 Quick and agile forward who can win the contested ball and is capable overhead for his size with his natural leap. SA rep in U18's in 2010.

9 Ben Reid (Bendigo Pioneers, Vic) 181, 67, 05.09.92 Smart forward with good anticipation, clean hands at ground level and overhead. Uses ball well and impressed for NSW/ACT in AFL U18's Championships this year. Brother Sam at Western Bulldogs.

10 Thomas Schneider (Oakleigh Chargers, Vic) 178, 77, 30.09.92 Very smart and courageous fall of the ball player with clean hands and neat disposal skills. Smart around goals and very impressive for Vic Metro in the AFL U18's winning its best player award. Average 29 disposals with Chargers this year.

11 Hayden Yarran (West Perth, WA) 186, 75, 30.04.92 Very clever player around goal and accurate on the run or set shot. Strong overhead and can also push up into midfield. WA U18's squad in 2010.

Medium Midfielders

12 Warrick Andreoli (South Fremantle, WA) 182, 75, 28.02.92 Extremely quick player who takes the game on. Good user of the ball on preferred left side. Showed his talent with WA in the U18's. Averaged 15 disposals at 72% efficiency.

13 Shaun Atley (Murray Bushrangers, Vic) 188, 84, 13.09.92 Exceptionally agile player with great speed and endurance. Twice runner up in State hurdles highlights his athletic ability. All Aust U18's in 2010, averaging 19 disposals and 6 tackles.

14 Harley Bennell (Peel Thunder, WA) 184, 70, 02.10.92 Talented ball winner in the forward-line or midfield. Has speed, poise and great goal sense. Won the Larke Medal and All Aust 18 honours in 2010 kicking 13 goals in 5 matches and averaging 19.6 disposals with 6 inside 50's.

15 Rohan Bewick (West Perth, WA) 184, 77, 10.10.89 Hard running player who is smart and a penetrating kick. Has good pace and endurance. Played well at senior level in 2010 in the WAFL.

16 Josh Caddy (Northern Knights, Vic) 186, 82, 28.09.92 Powerful player who wins clearances and contested marks. Dangerous forward who attacks ball aggresively. Kicked 22 goals and averaged 21 disposlas for the Knights this year. All Aust U18's 2010.

17 Alex Fasolo (East Fremantle, WA) 182, 79, 08.06.92 Impressive player for WA in U18's this year averaging 19 disposals with 67% efficiency. Good clearance player with good decision making ability.

18 Andrew Gaff (Oakleigh Chargers, Vic) 183, 79, 16.06.92 Left footer with terrific game sense. Imposes himself on games. Prolific ball winner averaging 30.5 disposals for Chargers and 27 for Vic M this year. Has good pace and endurance combination. All Aust U18's 2010.

19 Mitch Hallahan (Dandenong Stingrays, Vic) 182, 82, 23.08.92 Tough inside player with penetrating right foot. Wins one on ones and is disciplined. All Aust in U18's 2010.

20 Brad Harvey (Eastern Ranges, Vic) 184, 83, 16.04.92 Medium defender/midfielder who can play inside or outside and provide good run and carry. Very quick and competitive. VIC Metro U18's rep in 2010.

21 Thomas Liberatore (Calder Cannons, Vic) 182, 78, 16.05.92 Wins clearances and has quick clean hands. Hard in contested situations and team orientated. Averaged 24 disposals with Cannons, 5 clearances & 4 tackles. Neat left foot kick and All Aust U18's 2010.

22 Aaron Mullet (Eastern Ranges, Vic) 183, 74, 23.02.92 Smooth moving left footer who has ability overhead. Is neat with hand and foot. VIC-M rep in AFL U18's 2010.

23 Luke Parker (Dandenong Stingrays, Vic) 182, 83, 15.10.92 Hard running player who is strong overhead and around goal. Has elite endurance and is super competitive. Averaged 23 disposals at 68% efficiency with Stingrays this year. VIC-C U18's 2010.

24 Jared Polec (Woodville West Torrens, SA) 188, 81, 12.10.92 Left footed long kicking player who excelled in NAB AFL U18's winning All Aust honours. Has pace and composure around goal with impressive form at senior level in the SANFL.

25 Mitchell Wallis (Calder Cannons, Vic) 185, 79, 24.10.92 Has great hands and work ethic ; reads game extremely well and uses the football smartly. Averaged 29 disposals at 66% efficiency with Cannons this year. Captained VIC-M in AFL U18's 2010.

Medium Forwards

26 Nathan Ah Mat-Watkins (Pioneers, NT, West Adelaide, SA ) 186, 78, 18.02.92 Footy smart around forward line and has excellent clean hands and awareness. Rep NT in AFL U18's this year and playing for West Adelaide.

27 Daniel Farmer (Sandringham Dragons, Vic) 189, 82, 22.07.92 Quick and excellent one on one player who can play many roles for his team. Smart goal-kicker having kicked 17 goals in 10 matches with the Dragons.

28 Jacob Gillbee (Lauderdale, Tas) 184, 76, 13.09.92 Led up forward with good hands and goal-kicking ability. Provides good defensive pressure inside F50. Averaged 4 tackles a game and kicked 7 goals for Tasmania in the NAB AFL U18's.

29 Kieran Harper (Eastern Ranges, Vic) 187, 80, 05.06.92 Very quick and skilfull player with great goal sense. Can take contested mark and impact a game. VIC-M rep in 2010 in AFL U18's, kicking 7 goals including 4 vs. WA.

30 George Horlin-Smith (Sturt, SA) 185, 75, 22.12.92 Outstanding winning contested football and very creative player. Promising junior cricketer having represented Australia at U16 level.

31 Patrick Karnezis (Oakleigh Chargers, Vic) 190, 78, 23.04.92 Tall forward who is well balanced and team focused, setting up many goals. Also clever goal-kicker and has strong hands. VIC Metro U18's rep in 2010.

32 Jarryd Lyons (Sandringham Dragons, Vic) 183, 79, 22.07.92 Agile player with terrific ball winning ability, footy know how and endurance. Averaged 21 disposals and kicked 23 goals in 16 matches with the Dragons this year.

33 Josh Mellington (Murray Bushrangers, Vic) 186, 78, 29.12.92 Clever opportunist around goals and in one on one marking situations. Kicked 38 goals and 16 behinds in 15 matches this year. Tackles well inside F50.

34 Viv Michie (Oakleigh Chargers, Vic) 185, 79, 23.02.92 Well rounded player who is dangerous as a forward and can play midfield or back. Excellent kick and reads game extremely well. VIC-M U18's rep in 2010, averaging 16 disposals and 2 goals.

35 Ben Newton (South Fremantle, WA) 183, 76, 08.08.92 Strong marking and winner of contested football. Uses ball well with hand and foot. WA U18's rep in 2010. Graduate of AIS/AFL Academy.

36 Jayden Pitt (Geelong Falcons, Vic) 188, 72, 07.10.92 Player with good reactive speed, agility and smart user off both feet. Reads ball off hands extremely well. All Aust in NAB AFL U18's 2010 averaging 18 disposals and kicking 8 goals in the Championships.

37 Arryn Siposs (Dandenong Stingrays, Vic) 189, 80, 25.11.92 Strong marking player who is an excellent kick for goal and very team orientated. Averaged 15 disposals and kicked 34 goals for Stingrays this year. VIC-C U18's rep in 2010.

38 Aaron Young (Eastern Ranges, Vic) 188, 77, 06.12.92 Outstanding mark for his size and very athletic. Wins contested ball and has pace and hardness. VIC-M rep in 2010. averaged 16 disposals, 3 tackles, 4 marks as well as kicking 6 goals for the Championships.

Medium Defenders

39 Jake Batchelor (Dandenong Stingrays, Vic) 187, 82, 13.02.92 Left footed medium defender who is strong overhead and a neat disposer of the ball. Provides good run and can lock down on opponents.

40 Nathan Batley (Woodville West Torrens, SA) 185, 74, 16.09.92 Very speedy medium defender who can break the lines. Shows good vision and decision making and is very competitive. SA U18's rep in 2010.

41 Alex Browne (Oakleigh Chargers, Vic) 188, 86, 09.08.92 Aggressive medium defender who reads the play very well and uses the ball effectively by hand and foot. Can push into the midfield and win his own ball. VIC Metro U18's rep in 2010 playing 3 matches .

42 Ben Casley (Western Jets, Vic) 189, 86, 18.03.92 Medium defender/forward who takes good contested marks and has good game sense. Provides run from defence or can be a lead-up forward.

43 Jamie Cripps (East Fremantle, Vic) 182, 78, 23.04.92 Medium defender with excellent speed who takes the game on. Uses the ball well by foot and is sound defensively. WA U18's Rep.

44 Cameron Guthrie (Calder Cannons, Vic) 186, 79, 19.08.92 Versatile medium defender who can play a lock down role and win contested ball. Very consistent player who has clean hands and makes good decisions. VIC Metro U18's rep in 2010.

45 Dyson Heppell (Gippsland Power, Vic) 187, 79, 14.05.92 Skillful left footed medium defender with penetration kick, strength overhead and clean hands. Had outstanding AFL U18's winning VIC Country MVP and All Aust honours. Won Morrish Medal for TAC Cup Best & Fairest in 2010.

46 Ben Jacobs (Sandringham Dragons, Vic) 186, 82, 09.01.92 Left footed medium defender who can play midfield or forward. Powerful type who kicks long and takes an excellent overhead mark. Can really find the ball and had outstanding AFL U18's winning All Aust honours.

47 Andrew McInnes (Dandenong Stingrays, Vic) 189, 83, 20.03.92 Disciplined medium defender who provides good rebound. Very competitive and can play on talls or smalls. VIC Country U18's rep in 2010.

48 Cameron Richardson (North Ballarat Roosters, Vic) 189, 84, 02.12.87 Hard running medium defender who makes good decisions on when to mark or spoil. Dual B&F winner in Ballarat League in 2006/08.

49 Billie Smedts (Geelong Falcons, Vic) 188, 78, 08.06.92 Composed medium defender/forward who is strong overhead and very competitive. Is an extremely agile player who takes the game on. VIC Country U18's rep in 2010 playing 3 matches after returning from injury.

50 Brodie Smith (Woodville West Torrens, SA) 189, 80, 14.01.92 Medium defender/midfielder with terrific speed/endurance combination. Powerful player who bursts from stoppages and wins plenty of the footy. Starred in AFL U18's with All Aust honours.

51 Joel Wilkinson (Broadbeach, Qld) 184, 80, 29.11.91 Dashing medium defender with only 2yrs in the game coming fron an athletics background to captain QLD this year in AFL U18's. Workrate and pressure very good.

52 Blayne Wilson (Peel Thunder, WA) 188, 86, 26.01.92 Strong marking medium defender who reads the game very well across half back. Uses the ball effectively and earn All Aust honours in 2009 and was consistent for WA at U18s level this year.

Tall Defenders

53 Jordan Treloar (Northern Knights, Vic) 192, 83, 12.12.92 Well balanced Tall defender/forward who is extremely agile and strong overhead. Averaged 16 disposals and 6 marks for the Knights this year.

54 Cameron Delaney (Geelong Falcons, Vic) 192, 82, 19.06.92 Composed tall defender who is able to read the ball well coming into defense and make good decisions on when to mark and spoil. Rangy type with good closing speed - Vic C rep in 2010.

55 Tom Gordon (Oakleigh Chargers, Vic) 195, 90, 19.04.92 Tall defender/forward who is very strong overhead and long left foot kick. Very dangerous around goal in the TAC Cup. Represented VIC Metro in AFL U18's as a defender.

56 Alex Johnson (Oakleigh Chargers, Vic) 193, 82, 02.03.92 Tall defender/forward with outstanding work rate and competitive edge. Provides excellent defensive pressure when playing forward. Represented VIC Metro at AFL U18's this year.

57 David Kruse (Wanderers, NT) 190, 73, 23.01.92 Dashing tall defender with terrific run and carry from back 50 Can play tall or small or push into midfield giving his team flexiblity. From Tiwi Islands impressed for NT in AFL U18s this year.

58 Ryan Lester (Oakleigh Chargers, VIC) 190, 83, 26.08.92 Tall defender who can play medium role as well as forward. Attacks the ball strongly and is strong overhead. VIC Metro rep this year averaging 16 disposals and 4 marks.

59 Angus Litherland (Claremont, WA) 192, 83, 12.10.92 Tall defender with excellent closing speed and spoiling ability. Shows ability to rebound from defence. Represented WA in U18's in 2010.

60 Pat McCarthy (Glenelg, SA) 194, 84, 11.03.92 Athletic tall defender who can also go forward. Neat disposer of the ball and provides good rebound from defence. Won All Aust U18 honours this year.

61 Justin Monaco (East Fremantle, WA) 191, 86, 07.11.92 Tall defender who reads the game well and provides good run from defence. Provides good defensive pressure on talls and mediums. Represented WA in U18s this year.

62 Cameron O'Shea (Eastern Ranges, Vic) 191, 86, 13.03.92 Tall defender with strong work ethic and with the ability to win the contested ball. Disciplined and determined player. Represented VIC Metro in AFL U18's this year averaging 16 disposals.

63 Max Otten (Oakleigh Chargers, Vic) 193, 86, 10.11.92 Left footed tall defender who reads the game very well and makes good decisions with the ball. Provides good run from defence. Played for VIC Metro in AFL U18's.

64 Seb Tape (Sturt, SA) 191, 85, 06.08.92 Athletic tall defender with excellent closing speed and competitive edge. Very good one on one and below his knees. Captained SA in NAB AFL U18's this year.

65 Matthew Watson (Calder Cannons, Vic) 195, 98, 16.07.92 Left footed tall defender with penetrating kick and strong in the air. Composed with the ball in his hands and had a consistent U18's Championships winning All Aust honours.

Tall Forwards

66 Darcy Barden (Northern Knights, Vic) 192, 91, 13.02.92 Very competitive tall forward with great work ethic and strong hands overhead. Courageous player who was impressive for VIC Metro in the AFL U18's.

67 Lucas Cook (North Ballarat Rebels, Vic) 194, 82, 03.03.92 Tall forward to reads the game well and has sure hands. Mobile player who can go back; makes good decisions. All Aust U18's in 2010.

68 Jack Darling (West Perth, WA) 191, 94, 16.06.92 Athletic tall forward who attacks the ball with ferocity and strong overhead. Provides excellent defensive pressure in the forward 50. All Australia U18 in 2009 and again provided excellent marking target up forward for WA in 2010.

69 Sam Day (Sturt, SA) 195, 94, 06.09.92 High leaping tall forward who can take contested marks. Skillful on right and left side. SA U18's rep in 2010 winning All Aust honours.

70 Zac Fitzgerald (Woodville West Torrens, SA) 192, 84, 16.02.91 Very versatile tall forward or defender who is strong overhead and accurate at goalfront. Smart reader of the game. SA U18's rep in 2010.

71 Anton Hamp (Claremont, WA) 193, 83, 21.07.92 Versatile type who makes good position and has good work ethic. Clean hands and pace also a feature. Represented WA at U18's level this year.

72 Tom Lynch (Dandenong Stingrays, Vic) 196, 90, 31.10.92 Strong marking tall forward with terrific work-rate and ability at ground level. Impressive for VIC Country in AFL U18's.

73 Luke Mitchell (Calder Cannons, Vic) 196, 96, 28.02.92 Tall Forward/Defender with strong contested marking ability. Dangerous around goals and presents well on the lead .Missed AFL U18s due to shoulder surgery but now back in TAC Cup.

74 Callum Sinclair (Port Melbourne, Vic) 201, 96, 23.09.89 Mobile tall forward who is a strong lead and mark overhead. Reads the game very well and reliable in front of goals.

75 Jamie Solly (Port Adelaide Magpies, SA) 192, 92, 27.07.92 Tall forward who can also play down back. Strong hands overhead and reliable kick for goal. SA rep in 2010 kicking 12 goals.

76 Ariel Steinberg (Bendigo Pioneers, Vic) 191, 84, 26.08.92 Tall forward who is quick on the lead and has an excellent natural leap. Played Amercian football (Gridiron) in Alberta, Canada in 2009.

77 Jake von Bertouch (Woodville West Torrens, SA) 192, 80, 04.05.92 Tall forward who is quick on the lead and accurate in front of goal. Has strong hands and is team orientated. SA U18's rep in 2010.

78 Josh Walker (Geelong Falcons, Vic) 194, 87, 12.11.92 Tall forward with terrific work-rate and strong hands overhead. Impressed for VIC Country in AFL U18's as a lead up forward.

Ruckmen

79 John Ceglar (Murray Bushrangers, Vic) 200, 87, 14.02.91 Much improved mobile ruckman who is team orientated and sound overhead. Consistent performer for VIC Country in U18's this year averaging 13 hitouts and 3 marks.

80 Leif Cope (Eastern Ranges, Vic) 203, 98, 22.08.92 Athletic ruckman who competes very well at ground level. Averaged 11 disposals and 2 marks with the Ranges this year.

81 Daniel Gorringe (Norwood, SA) 200, 92, 02.06.92 Gifted in the art of ruckwork and a very athletic player who is strong overhead and dangerous near goal. Won All Australian U18 honours in 2010.

82 Brayden Grenfell (Calder Cannons, Vic) 198, 84, 09.05.92 Tall forward/ruckman with very good work-rate and good below the knees. Has strong hands on the lead.

83 Joseph Groenewegen (Launceston) 196, 84, 25.10.91 Tall forward/ruckman with very good endurance, agility and overhead marking talent. TAS U18 rep this year.

84 Tom Hickey (Morningside, Qld) 201, 88, 06.03.91 Developing ruckman with terrific work-rate and prepared to lay tackles. QLD U18's rep in 2010 averaging 18 hitouts and 3 tackles.

85 Matt Jones (South Fremantle, WA) 200, 86, 26.06.92 Mobile ruckman with long left foot kick who can go forward and provide a target. WA rep at U18's level.

86 Scott Lycett (Port Adelaide Magpies, SA) 202, 95, 26.09.92 Strong marking ruckman who is agile and super competitive. Team orientated player who impressed with SA in U18's.

87 Ben Mabon (North Ballarat Rebels, Vic) 198, 81, 14.06.92 Aggressive and athletic ruckman with excellent work-ethic and technique with his stoppage work. NSW/ACT rep in 2010 AFL U18's.

88 Andrew Phillips (Clarence, Tas) 200, 86, 03.07.91 Developing ruckman who marks well around the ground and has good understanding with his on-ballers. TAS U18's rep.

GWS nominees for consideration

89 Todd Elton (Dandenong Stingrays, Vic) 197, 90, 29.04.93 Tall forward and ruckman who is very athletic and strong both overhead and at ground level. Averaged 12 disposals with 4 marks, 2 tackles in TAC Cup matches this year and also represented VIC Country in the AFL U18's.

90 Joshua Growden (Woodville West Torrens, SA) 187, 76, 17.04.93 Medium midfielder / defender who is excellent overhead and a sound decision maker who reads the play very well. Long left foot kick and capable of playing forward as well. Averaged 26 disposals at 79% efficiency in 14 games at U18's level in South Australia this year.

91 Jarrod Harding (Woodville West Torrens, SA) 183, 76, 16.03.93 Medium forward who is accurate around goal, strong mark on a lead and clean at ground level. Maintains terrific forward line pressure with strong tackling. SA U16's rep in 2009. Averaged 18 disposals in 15 matches and kicked 52 goals, 21 behinds at U18's level in SA this year.

92 Hayden Hector (Gippsland Power, Vic) 181, 81, 08.03.93 Hard running medium midfielder who can also play a shut down role. Strong over the ball and a very good mark for his size. VIC Country U16 rep in 2009 and U18's rep in 2010. Averaged 21 disposals in 11 matches for Power and 20 disposals in 3 matches for VIC Country this year.

93 Matthew Jacquier (Woodville West Torrens, SA) 175, 78, 29.03.93 Medium forward who presents very well and has strong hands overhead. Composed player with good disposal right and left. Also a talented state level basketballer. Averaged 17 disposals in 9 matches and kicked 19 goals, 9 behinds at U18 level in SA this year.

94 Shane Kersten (South Fremantle, WA) 190, 88, 15.03.93 Tall forward who is strong on the lead and sound overhead. Accurate kick for goal and has represented WA at U16 level in 2009 and U18 level in 2010 kicking 15 goals in 5 matches. Made his senior debut in the WAFL this year.

95 Nic Murphy (Oakleigh Chargers, Vic) 193, 81, 22.03.93 Tall forward with strong hands overhead and is a long left foot kick. Talented basketballer who also distributes the football very well. Has kicked 23 goals, 6 behinds in 15 matches with the Chargers this year.

96 Jack Newnes (Northern Knights, Vic) 183, 73, 24.02.93 Medium midfielder who can also go back or forward. Very composed player who uses the ball efficiently and provides very good run for his team on all parts of the ground. Averaged 19 disposals and kicked 10 goals 4 behinds in 14 matches for the Knights this year.

97 Jai Sheahan (Geelong Falcons, Vic) 193, 82, 27.01.93 Tall forward/ruckman who is super athletic, strong overhead and a sound decision maker. Played 13 matches for the Falcons this year averaging 10 disposals and 3 marks.

98 Simon Tunbridge (Perth, WA) 185, 87, 01.04.93 Medium forward who can also play back of forward. Excellent user of the ball, strong mark and has good athletic ability. From Dongara in country WA.

99 Gerald Ugle (Perth, WA) 179, 79, 31.01.93 Small midfielder/forward who can also go back and use his speed and kicking ability to great effect. AIS/AFL Academy graduate in 2010.

100 Nathan Wilson (Peel Thunder, WA) 184, 72, 07.01.93 Medium defender who can also go midfield and use his speed to break the lines. Exciting player with excellent natural leap

COMING SOON: The Oracle's Trading Chronicles

[Mister Ed 305]

Talk on the radio this morning that they're going to move the trade week because of the grand final replay.

Any truth in this?

[Demonland 72,448]

Talk on the radio this morning that they're going to move the trade week because of the grand final replay.

Any truth in this?

Now starts 5 October (i.e a day later than originally scheduled).

[e25 5]

Atley will go much much earlier than St Kilda's pick. Before ours even.

[Whispering_Jack 30,260]

Following are details of players at state screenings:-

At state camps:

Adelaide session, Saturday October 2

Darcy Armfield, Glenelg

Kory Beard, Port Adelaide

Jonathon Beech, West Adelaide

Ken Campbell, South Adelaide

Harrison Cumming, Central Broken Hill

Mitchell Curnow, Sturt

Luke Davis, West Adelaide

Jonathon Giles, Sturt

Ben Haren, Port Adel Magpies

Bradley Helbig, West Adelaide

Thomas Kickett, St Ignatius

Daniel Kulikowski, Port Adelaide

Archie Longbottom, Glenelg

Terry Milera, Port Adel Magpies

James Moss, Norwood

Dion Munkara, Waratahs

Dylan Ribbons, West Adelaide

Shannon Rioli, St Marys

Lachlan Roach, North Adelaide

Gavin Roberts, Norwood

Jimmi Savage, Norwood

Karl Siebels, Sturt

Lee Spurr, Central Districts

Kristen Thompson, North Adelaide

Melbourne session 1 (Vic Metro, Queensland): Saturday October 3

Tom Bell, Morningside

Jackson Bolton,Oakleigh Chargers

Corey Cassidy, Oakleigh Chargers

Dylan Conway, Western Jets

Jake Crawford, Pomona

Sam Cust, Oakleigh Chargers

Peter Faulks, Williamstown

Jesse Fortune, Western Jets

Jack Frost, Sandringham Dragons

Matthew Grossman, Williamstown

Tyson Hunt, De La Salle

Michael Hutchinson, Aspley

Mitch Keddell, Port Melbourne

Adam Kennedy, Western Jets

James Lawton, Coburg Tigers

Josh Marchbank, Northern Knights

Adam Marcon, Northern Knights

Damien Mascitti, Oakleigh Chargers

Alex McLeod, Calder Cannons

David Mirra, Box Hill

Lewis Moss, Port Douglas

Daniel Nicholson, Uni Blues

Dan Noonan, Old Xaverians

James Orr, Box Hill

Adam Oxley, Redland

Cameron Pedersen, Box Hill

Declan Reilly, Sandringham Dragons

Alex Rintoul, Northern Knights

Liam Rutledge, Aspley

Ahmed Saad, Northern Bullants

Jordan Schroder, Calder Cannons

Paul Seedsman, Rowville

Luke Shreeve, Broadbeach

Alex Simpson, Werribee Tigers

Michael Talia, Calder Cannons

Ozgur Uysal, Calder Cannons

Ryan Wilson, Eastern Ranges

Stephen Witkowski, Northern Knights

Melbourne session 2 (Vic Country, Tasmania, NSW): Saturday October 3

Isaac Baker, Geelong Falcons

Richard Bamblett, North Ballarat

James Brain, North Shore

Blake Bray, Western Suburbs

Ben Brown, Tassie Mariners

Fraser Brown, Campbelltown

Corey Buchan, Dandenong Stingrays

Josh Cole, North Shore

Luke Dahlhaus, Geelong Falcons

Marcus Darmody, North Ballarat

Troy Davis, Geelong Falcons

Josh Duncan, Pennant Hills

Tom Durwood, Tatura

Lachlan Edwards, Newton/Chilwell

Jamie Elliott, Murray Bushrangers

Jackson Ferguson, Pennant Hills

Mitchell Gent, Dandenong Stingrays

Michael Hibberd, Frankston

Matt Hutton, North Shore

Josh Jenkins, Lake Boga

Jake King, Anslie

Jack Mahony, Wollongong

Leigh Masters, Bendigo Pioneers

Dean MacDonald, Gippsland Power

Tom McDonald, North Ballarat

Kane Murphy, Riverview

Tim Northe, Gippsland Power

Larry Owen, Hobart

Ryan Pendlebury, Gippsland Power

Nick Perry, Sydney University

Thomas Ruggles, Geelong Falcons

Nick Ryan, St George

Brayden Salton, Gippsland Power

Tim Segrave, Murray Bushrangers

Daniel Semmens, Geelong Falcons

Myles Sewell, Nth Ballarat Roosters

Isaac Smith, Nth Ballarat Roosters

Trent Stubbs, East Coast Eagles

Jeremy Taylor, Geelong Falcons

James Webster, Terrigal Avocca

Perth session (Western Australian): Sunday October 10

Luke Adams, Swan Districts

Ryan Brabazon, Claremont

Jacob Brennan, East Fremantle F/S candidate

Rowan Brookes, East Perth

Kieran Butcher, Peel Thunder

Mitch Carter, South Fremantle

Tyler Chalwell, East Fremantle

Rhys Cooyou, East Fremantle

Tom Derickx, Claremont

Max Duffy, East Fremantle

Jordon Eades, Perth

Michael Edwards, Perth

Aaron Elari, Perth

Michael Evans, Claremont

Rowan Garlett, Perth

Cameron Grover, East Perth

Scott Hancock, East Fremantle

Thomas Howlett, East Perth

Jason Johannisen, East Fremantle

Anthony Kyanga, East Fremantle

Kelvin Lawrence, Peel Thunder

Tom Ledger, Claremont

Ryan Lester-Smith, East Fremantle

Liam McKenna, Peel Thunder

Sam Menagola, East Fremantle

Tendai Mzungu, Perth

Jarrod Ninyette, Claremont

Matthew Outridge, Swan Districts

Jayden Schofield, East Fremantle

Simon Starling, Claremont

Isiah Stevens, Swan Districts

Aaron Sweet, East Perth

Kirk Ugle, Swan Districts

* attended the Draft Combine in Canberra

[e25 5]

I thought Gorringe and Day were supposed to be athletic freaks in the Naitanui mould..?

Surely the jump tests would be an indicator of this.

(although I understand Day is playing SANFL finals and will attend the state combine.)

[Dr. Mubutu 856]

I thought Gorringe and Day were supposed to be athletic freaks in the Naitanui mould..?

Surely the jump tests would be an indicator of this.

(although I understand Day is playing SANFL finals and will attend the state combine.)

Yep, both are attending draft camp only for the interview process, due to SANFL finals.

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