Farewell Jack Watts

[Rodney (Balls) Grinter 10,586]

9 minutes ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

Port supporters on bigfooty reckon Watts and 36 for picks 30 and 33.

So a lower end second round draft pick and also a 3 pick upgrade in the late second round as steak knives.

Is this fair?

I'd actually say that the above proposed trade is a reasonable equivalence to the Bernie Vince for pick 27 trade we did with them a few years back.  Though I do worry/wonder with all these free agent compo picks getting thrown in if 30 and 33 ends up more like 32/33 and 35/36.

I also wonder if there could be a last minute twist to the Jack Watts trade scenario, with him ending up at the Gold Coast or Brisbane?  Not sure what cap space Port would have left after Rocky and Motlop, but I can't see Watts agreeing to move for less money and as I understand it Brisbane/GC are the teams with both a need for more mature players and the draft picks to trade with.

[grazman 6,485]

9 minutes ago, Rodney (Balls) Grinter said:

 

I also wonder if there could be a last minute twist to the Jack Watts trade scenario, with him ending up at the Gold Coast or Brisbane?  

I doubt he'd agree to that, Geelong/Port he's a reasonable chance of playing in finals.  Brisbane and Gold Coast not so much.

Edited October 13, 2017 by grazman

[Rodney (Balls) Grinter 10,586]

23 hours ago, Redleg said:

If we got pick 15 everyone would be happy,  but if it is 30 not so happy. Does that not tell us that we are reasonably happy to let Jack go, it is just the price.  

I think most people would think it a reasonably acceptable propersition, without nessasrily being happy about it.

I'll only really be happy about this or otherwise in retrospect, which is a prvillage I know our coaching staff and list management don't really have.  Assuming we complete the trade amd Jack were to move on to for fill his talent potential and play a pivital role in a flag for Port I'd be pretty [censored].  A range of other scenarios are possible which would determine how I ultimately feel about this trade.

[Rodney (Balls) Grinter 10,586]

5 minutes ago, grazman said:

I doubt he'd agree to that, Geelong/Port he's a reasonable chance of playing in finals.  Brisbane and Gold Coast not so much.

Ture.  He's a reasonable chance of playing finals at Melbourne though too, so it really depends somewhat on the finacial attractiveness or otherwise of the deal as well as how repairable Watts feels his professional relationship with Jones and Goodwin is. 

 Do the MFC and some of it's supporters want Watts gone so badly we would be prepared to pay out the difference in his current contact terms and what he might get at another club, just to see him gone?

All pure speculation, I'm just reading into the scenario.

[beelzebub 22,225]

It still rather bemuses me that so many have yet to twig what this has been about.

The MFC don't care about any value for this trade. They've always been prepared to take chump change dressed up as some 'dowery'.

Smell the flowers folks.... It's just been about pushing Jack out the door.

Classy.

[rjay 23,927]

6 hours ago, Akum said:

Houli? Martin? Cotchin? Rance? With Watts gone, Salem is the only Demon who comes anywhere near this quartet in quality and consistency of ball use.

 

Can't agree here...

Houli is a pretty decent kick (poor set shot), Martin has always been a long kick but only recently tidied up his use of the ball. Cotchin ok, Rance was Tommy Mac but has improved but still not his strength, Lever would have him covered here.

I would think Hibberd and Lewis for a start would come near them, probably better.

Trac is a good field kick who like Martin will get much better, goal kicking a bit hit and miss.

Oliver when he kicks is a very good kick of the ball.

It's not all doom & gloom 'Akum'

[Redleg 37,716]

The Age reporting that Jack has gone overseas. Probably not aware of Bernie's wedding in Adelaide. He is probably off after that.

It would now seem likely that Jack has made his mind up about which club he prefers and would have instructed his Manager accordingly.

Reports suggest it is Port.

If true, why hasn't it been confirmed so that the clubs can start negotiating?

Maybe they are negotiating anyway in the belief it will happen.

Bit strange really.

[Stretch Johnson 2,585]

7 hours ago, Akum said:

Houli? Martin? Cotchin? Rance? With Watts gone, Salem is the only Demon who comes anywhere near this quartet in quality and consistency of ball use.

And they moved the ball into space brilliantly and lowered their eyes into attack, resisted the temptation most of the time to bomb it on to Riewoldt's head (the way that we do predictably with Hogan and, yes, Watts, under Goodwin) which would have allowed Adelaide's tall defenders to pick it off with ease. They either hit forward targets, or delivered it low and hard and into spaces when no targets were available. They were brilliantly coached, and they were encouraged by their coach to take the game on and take risks.

In all the bluster about Richmond's pressure, some have totally missed their skill and their quality of ball use. If they hadn't been able to hurt Adelaide so much when they had the ball, a lot of their pressure would have been wasted, and it would have been much harder to sustain.

I need to watch that game again. 

I would not have said that silky skills were the mainstay of that gameplan.

Also Hibberd is an elite kick and Garlett and Petracca are close

Edited October 13, 2017 by Stretch Johnson

[Redleg 37,716]

5 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

It still rather bemuses me that so many have yet to twig what this has been about.

The MFC don't care about any value for this trade. They've always been prepared to take chump change dressed up as some 'dowery'.

Smell the flowers folks.... It's just been about pushing Jack out the door.

Classy.

A pick around mid second round and freeing up $1m is deemed reasonable. Suggestions of 30 and 3 pick upgrade on 36.

Hardly anyone else is chasing him apparently. No offers from Swans or Cats.

What do you see as his price?

[beelzebub 22,225]

1 minute ago, Redleg said:

The Age reporting that Jack has gone overseas. Probably not aware of Bernie's wedding in Adelaide. He is probably off after that.

It would now seem likely that Jack has made his mind up about which club he prefers and would have instructed his Manager accordingly.

Reports suggest it is Port.

If true, why hasn't it been confirmed so that the clubs can start negotiating?

Maybe they are negotiating anyway in the belief it will happen.

Bit strange really.

What ,you think they aren't Red. You're going off media. The clubs know.

Think Jacks off to see his gurly Pretty sure technology will facilitate communication.

[Redleg 37,716]

1 minute ago, beelzebub said:

What ,you think they aren't Red. You're going off media. The clubs know.

Think Jacks off to see his gurly Pretty sure technology will facilitate communication.

I said that, I was more interested in why it hasn't been announced.

[beelzebub 22,225]

9 minutes ago, Redleg said:

A pick around mid second round and freeing up $1m is deemed reasonable. Suggestions of 30 and 3 pick upgrade on 36.

Hardly anyone else is chasing him apparently. No offers from Swans or Cats.

What do you see as his price?

The chase in all likelihood was thwarted . Ill let you figure that out

His price ? Whatever Port offers. Bit of a buyers market effect here.

JM etc might ask for X. ( Bit if showmanship pretence really in this instance ) .. Port will give Y....and why not...we don't want him. Port get a bargain.

Might be as simple as #30

 

Edited October 13, 2017 by beelzebub

[beelzebub 22,225]

4 minutes ago, Redleg said:

I said that, I was more interested in why it hasn't been announced.

Tbh . I dont know. 

[Redleg 37,716]

2 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

The chase in all likelihood was thwarted . Ill let you figure that out

His price ? Whatever Port offers. Bit of a buyers market effect here.

JM etc might ask for X. ( Bit if showmanship pretence really in this instance ) .. Port will give Y....and why not...we don't want him. Port get a bargain.

Might be as simple as #30

 

What do you think is a fair price?

Remember we are also seeking to clear $1m of cap space. That might be the space that allows us to get someone else.

[jumbo returns 6,493]

12 minutes ago, Redleg said:

The Age reporting that Jack has gone overseas. Probably not aware of Bernie's wedding in Adelaide. He is probably off after that.

It would now seem likely that Jack has made his mind up about which club he prefers and would have instructed his Manager accordingly.

Reports suggest it is Port.

If true, why hasn't it been confirmed so that the clubs can start negotiating?

Maybe they are negotiating anyway in the belief it will happen.

Bit strange really.

Why confirm it?

The damage of laundering your dirty laundry in public has been done

[Redleg 37,716]

1 minute ago, jumbo returns said:

Why confirm it?

The damage of laundering your dirty laundry in public has been done

Why not?

[jumbo returns 6,493]

5 hours ago, bing181 said:

For a guy who finished 21st in the B&F, was dropped to the two's after being held back from pre-season matches for a half-baked attitude to pre-season.

If we get pick 30 we'll be doing well. It's all he's worth.

Reality.

Do you copy and paste your constant bleating, bing?

It's getting tiresome

[Gator 16,893]

7 hours ago, Akum said:

In answer to your question about "how else you can do it":  how about something neutral that aims at the ball (i.e. the issue) and not the man (Watts)? Such as: "Our game next year is going to be much more focussed on contested ball. Watts has great talents, but not in the areas that our team will be moving into. We've therefore encouraged him to seek other options where his talents will be a better fit for their style of play."

Pick 15, please.

Thanks for the laugh. 

You and others still would have carried on like pork chops with this approach. 

There aren't many secrets in the football industry.  All other 17 clubs are well aware of Jack's shortcomings. 

"More focussed on contested ball" ?  Lol

Like they didn't know this was a key ingredient to our game-plan this year.  We were second in CP.

Keep clutching. 

[jumbo returns 6,493]

1 minute ago, Redleg said:

Why not?

Did we know all the nuances and details about the Lever trade? Or Devon Smith one?

We certainly knew that JW was on the market in no uncertain terms

Let me see:

Fox footy

Ch 7

Ch 9

Every effen internet site about footy

[Gator 16,893]

18 minutes ago, Stretch Johnson said:

I need to watch that game again. 

I would not have said that silky skills were the mainstay of that gameplan.

Also Hibberd is an elite kick and Garlett and Petracca are close

Exactly.

Richmond turned the ball over like there was no tomorrow. 

Akum's arguments are vacuous and self-serving.

[Redleg 37,716]

5 minutes ago, jumbo returns said:

Did we know all the nuances and details about the Lever trade? Or Devon Smith one?

We certainly knew that JW was on the market in no uncertain terms

Let me see:

Fox footy

Ch 7

Ch 9

Every effen internet site about footy

I asked a simple question. Why do you think JW has not announced his preferred destination?

[beelzebub 22,225]

21 minutes ago, Redleg said:

What do you think is a fair price?

Remember we are also seeking to clear $1m of cap space. That might be the space that allows us to get someone else.

Where am i to stand ...in order to ascertain fair ?

[jumbo returns 6,493]

13 minutes ago, Redleg said:

I asked a simple question. Why do you think JW has not announced his preferred destination?

And I gave you a simpler answer

He's probably had enough of making this everyone's business

[Mr Steve 3,820]

If pick 21 from Geelong was what the Dee's wanted how can they justify taking pick 30 from Port. 

[old55 21,356]

43 minutes ago, Redleg said:

A pick around mid second round and freeing up $1m is deemed reasonable. Suggestions of 30 and 3 pick upgrade on 36.

Hardly anyone else is chasing him apparently. No offers from Swans or Cats.

What do you see as his price?

30 + 49 for Watts + 66 values him at about pick 22 and is about best case scenario.

Then 49 for Balic.

Leaves us with 28, 30,  36 and 47 but only 3 list spots.  We'd need to upgrade 2 of those picks to one earlier one.

Edited October 13, 2017 by Fifty-5