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#thereturn - felt like I needed to supply more training reports this summer hey? A lot has changed since the previous occasion I was at Melbourne training, which going back, is now a bloody long time ago. Labour Day this year. So much has happened in my life now – it looks like I’ve got a gig at AFL Vic next year at this stage, I’m just about done with uni and the next stage of my life is set to be written. So I get here at precisely 2:10 – 20 minutes early, which is okay because 1) I get a coveted spot with shade because it’s a very warm day, and 2) others are here too. Camera crews have basically been set up, the personnel are here and the Melbourne shade is up. Yep, I’m at the right place and I’m here at the right time. As for the camera crews, I’m keen to see which station they are for. A camera man is here and he curiously has a lot of Glenn Maxwell about him (mind you without the beard). Anyway, less jibberish and more actual reporting which is what I’m meant to be doing. Anyway, there’s been a number of changes so far throughout this off season and there’s more to come. Out of the lineup goes Howe, Cross, McKenzie, Riley, Bail, Toumpas and Fitzpatrick, while in to the side (at this stage with draft picks still to come) include Bugg, Kennedy, Melksham and Smith. Melksham, as I already covered, won’t be here today, even though it is optional for other players to make their way across and train with the first to fourth year players (I’ll cover which ones are optionally here today below). The first players out for pre-season are Vandenberg and Garland. Vandenberg has bright orange wheels which are almost as bright as my lime green ones. After those two, the rest of the boys make their way across. Garland and Tom Mc I believe are the only two who have come here optionally to do some extra training, which is a truly excellent sign. These two genuinely love the club. Our good mate Stevo is here too to report on the session for Channel 7. For reference if needed, the first two out on the track were CP5 and ANB. After a very short kickabout, the boys go and start off with a short little run. Few rugby passes out and about – it’s not State of Origin lads! – and a few stretches start us off. There’s about 25 players on the track, including the likes of Hogan, Brayshaw, Viney and Tyson as well. Eventually I’ll go through a few more. Petracca’s doing a modified program at this stage compared to the rest of the group – I imagine that this is related to the final preparations that he has to go under before joining the main group full stop. Regardless he’s looking bigger than he was last year and he was already pretty big last year! Good sign. Also another who noticeably looks bigger compared to the last time I saw him is Salem. Anyway our main man CP5 is off to jaunt on his own regime at the moment given the recovery from his knee. We’re taking every precaution at this stage and he’s off to the adjacent fields to do his own work while the rest of them are together. Kennedy is out here for his first training session with the boys and when he beats (I think Stretch) in a small contest that the boys are doing a couple of the boys shout out “YES BEN!!!” Good start to his time here, hopefully he develops some friendships very quickly. Regardless the first drill sees the coaches roll the ball across the ground where there’s two players trying to beat the other to the footy. Basically it’s more of an upper body drill where one man is trying to push the other off. There’s four separate groups, and in fact there is also one using soccer balls. I can’t properly explain that, best ask Misso. I guess to provide more clarification the four groups are in rotation drills, so you have the ones which I’ve described clearly, as well as a couple of overhead marking contests on the far side of the ground. The majority of players are in the two groups closest to us, while the far groups are made up of two lots of four. As the boys embark on a brief break I take a look at the crowd, it’s certainly building and the club has done a good job with advertising this session. I would say at this stage there’s about 60 people, which would be more than anywhere else I reckon. The next activity is more strength based and sees groups of two pulling each other with those rope things that they tie around their waste. Notable pairings include Hogan and TMac, while Harmes is dragging Jack Viney around. Two groups of longer distance running follows. Leading the first group which starts nearest to where I’m stationed is White and Stretch, with Hogan up the back. Meantime Kenty is killing it in the second group. King is up the back of this one. The first group of runners are more tightly bunched together and pacing themselves really well. Joel Smith appears to be up the front of his group, while Oscar McDonald is working hard to get in front of Kenty. It’s also really encouraging to see Frost running around with the boys. The news we really needed to see/hear after 4-6gate in 2015. The boys are still going ahead of the six minute deadline. BK is working super hard to ensure that he’s maintaining a solid pace. Meantime JKH has assumed leadership of his group and has really come home strongly. Harmes is also finishing off strongly as he walks past, streaming by Jayden Hunt. CP5 watch on the other ground and he is moving super strongly. It’s really good to see. I’m hoping he develops into more of the Josh Kennedy mould (the Sydney one that is). Brayshaw comes back after (I assume) a bit of an absence, while Tom McDonald did his own little thing while the boys were running… I presume to avoid embarrassment amongst the others because he always kills it doing the running drills. After a bit of a walk around the oval the boys are back into the groove a little bit and are having a drink of water. For now that leaves me on complete CP5 watch. The bloke is doing it completely easy on the other field at the moment as a few actually turn around and watch him go about it. He is really moving well considering his recovery from his ACL and he seems to be confident of a few directional changes. I would say he’s going at about 80% at the moment which is about right for his stage in the development. He’s also kicking about 30-35m off one step with relative ease. There are, admittedly, a couple of shanks when he kicks it but otherwise he’s doing just fine and is also finding the confidence to jump for marks too. Hogan joins him later on and he does that familiar waddle over. Dunno why he left, maybe he just exorcised his rights as a God to do whatever the hell he wants. Extraordinarily I’m seeing people actually shifting their attention – quite a few – to Hogan and Petracca. Anyway this all happens while the boys are changing into their footy boots, with a bit of footy going on now. Firstly there’s a bit of a brief kick, before more of a base which sees a full-blown contest between two teams utilising handball. That’s on one side of the ground, anyway. On the other side there’s a kicking drill at the moment and the focus is on a switch, followed by a kick down the line. On the near side which is where the handball drill is going on, the hunger is intense in the players’ eyes. You can hear it and see it. For the first day of pre season they’ve been pretty strong skill wise. There aren’t too many shanks which is impressive because it’s a reasonably difficult day conditions wise. Hot day, swirly wind about. JKH gets Frost in a tackle – you can tell Frosty is trying to get back into the swing of things after missing a lot of training as well as footy. It’ll take a little while but he’ll get there. Pause – I need a drink… Getting a drink at this point isn’t too bad. Firstly I don’t miss much as I go down to Edwin’s (which at this point is closing up), secondly I still walk past and get to see how Hogan and Petracca are holding up. Hoges’ is okay and there’s nothing wrong with him (I presume they are just looking after him due to his importance), he’s having set shots and actually uncharacteristically misses one. Petracca in the meantime was talking to one of his mates (I presume from basketball – nobody understands how good he actually was – he has his own mixtape on YouTube), before heading off. He walks past me, eyes glued to his phone. As I come back the boys are split into two groups where there are two teams, with the aim to retain the ball by foot. The ball use is decent at this stage by the near group, with only two foot errors so far in about five minutes. During this drill, I get the information that the boys will be having a training camp in Seaford soon, and will head back up to Maroochydore in January (I presume during the Australian Open). So there’s one for fans up Seaford way and as well as our Queensland friends. Meantime the boys are having a bit of a break after this kicking drill thing. Hogan’s running around behind me on the soccer ground, which has been kindly vacated by Melbourne Victory because they’re probably thinking they can soccer better than everyone else while holding all three trophies at once. Anyway, the drill continues on opposite wings this time, after previously being inside both 50s. The most impressive performers for mine so far include Tommy Mc, who is continuing to mature as a leader and is being as smart as ever with his positioning, running off his man and ball use, JKH, who has a new found hunger for the contest, I’m presuming he’s going to go after a big pre-season after losing his spot in the side, and ANB, who’s been classy by foot so far today under pressure. In the meantime Frost has shown how much he’s missed, with his first kick missing the mark and his decision making a bit skewed at the moment. Joel Smith is still a while away too from getting into the groove – gets the ball during one of these drills and panics a little bit, before missing the return handball. On the other side of the ground, Terlich takes on (I think) White, but gets tackled. A good show of speed from White but Terlich needed to get rid of it. Obviously Terls needs a big pre-season and force his way into the 22 somehow, otherwise he’s off the list given he runs out of contract. Some more running follows this and this running drill is similar to what they did last year. Run half way through, then run down the ground, turn, run back. Three separate groups are out and about. Tom McDonald is fastest of the first group with ease (because who else was going to be?) with Viney second. Impressively, Tommy Bugg (first training session today) is amongst the top three or four. Brother Oscar is fastest of the second group as he looks to maintain his spot in the best 22 over summer. ANB is quickest of the third group. On the second run for each group it’s a McDonald sweep again, while Harmes is quickest of the third group. TMac’s doing it easy. Third run. No need to tell you who are quickest of the first two groups. In the third group, Tyson and Harmes run it pretty close but it’s the former who gets home quickest in the end. As we get to the fourth run, TMac again is quickest. Joel Smith is starting to struggle a little bit which is unsurprising given its his first session, but gets a lot of support from the boys as he crosses the line. Anyway the winners of the fourth run – TMac, OMac and Hunt. TMac ensures he completely sweeps the last run of his group. He’s still an animal, and that’s good signs ahead. OMac also sweeps his entire group, impressively Frost is starting to get into his own and comes second in the final run. The final group don’t run… unsure why. Anyway, as the boys switch from running to kicking again there’s set shots, and moreso the chance to give you guys information you didn’t necessarily need but will get anyway. BK = Kennedy as I mentioned before had his first session today. He’s a little fella but he’s well built. From what I’ve seen so far, good running capacity. Also has a tatt a la Cyril, but that's extra information you didn't need to know but do now. Buggy = Tomas had his first run with the Dees as well and again, he’s smaller than most but again he is also solidly built. Not as nuggety as a Jones-type but not as small as Stretch either, I’d say he’s more in the middle. Again, he also ran well. Smith = Pretty skinny, needs a bit of work in the gym and with time he’ll get to improve his running capacity as well. Obviously a project player but because he has a bit of knowledge in the game he won’t take as long to develop as, say, a Maia Westrupp. Meantime, just behind me, the photographers that turn up get a bit excited – and I quote one of them – “Hogan’s got his shirt off!!!” The bloke generates excitement by doing the smallest of things. After the brief set shot session, which I presume was just a warm down, the boys finish rather abruptly. I say g’day to a couple of fans and head off, with the knowledge that the boys would want to be as sharp in the next session (which I’m hearing is 10:00 Wednesday) as they were today. To finish off, Tom McDonald did a couple of extra short, sharp bursts and there were a few others (such as Viney and Salem) who did a couple of extra things too. Okay, so summing up: • Petracca is looking really good even though he’s been restricted at the moment due to his continued ACL recovery • Hogan is also being held back, this I imagine more than anything is because we want to restrict his workload and make sure his back is alright • There was more of a running base than there was a football base which is normal for the firstpre season session • Regardless, the boys did well with the ball in hand today, not too many errors under pressure but there were a couple of decision-making errors • Tom and Oscar McDonald naturally are going to tear it up on the track all summer. • The boys are looking very fit • We still have to wait two weeks until the main group come back! I look forward to the next session… ​

If Saty was there we'd know why Brayshaw didn't do the full session, we'd know when Petracca is due to join the full group and why T Mac and Garland were the mature age attendees. We'd also know other stuff I'm not interested in but Saty provided information no other watcher did. Sad he was hounded off by the selfish few.

Few surprises, but that's ok Who: Coaches - No Roos, no Goodwin as far as I could tell, so it was mainly left to Rawlings, Matthews, Allison Fitness staff - plenty, including D Cross. And I hate to be rude but a young lady seemed to be observing and she was a solid 9 to 9.5. By far best on track. Players - see earlier posts. But Garland, Tommy Mc, Frost Bugg Tyson (are they 4th or 5th year?) plus the 1-4 players. What: Modified program: Petracca: Agility drills, kick to kick, sprints over on the multi use oval Hogan: Started with the main group before kick to kick, goal kicking, sprints. Went longer than Petracca Brayshaw: Didn't see him do anything but was dressed and at the oval before heading back to AAMI Tommy Mc: Sat out some of drills before doing some extra sprints at the end Vanders: Took time away from the main group to complete some agility drills before rejoining For the main group it was - Warm ups - Handball and kicking drills - 7 v 4 drills - Timed running drill - 300m repeat sprints - Goal kicking The session lasted close on 2 hours. It was warm and a bit gusty. I don't think the players were flogged but they were certainly made to feel it. It's hard on such a small sample to get any idea of where individual and the team in generals skill level was at. So that's part of the no surprises. What I was looking for was if anyone had made significant gains in body shape/size or in fitness levels and again there probably weren't surprises there this year. The big positive was that everyone (except maybe Brayshaw) was out on the track and working hard. The 2nd year players were impressive. Oscar McDonald look stronger. He ran well and kicked the ball well in drills. Neal-Bullen and Stretch are pro's. White trained very well and is a beautiful kick. Vanders looks leaner but just as strong and imposing and of course Petracca might've training separately but was moving well. From the 3rd years Hunt is starting to look like an AFL player build wise. Harmes was working hard and has a strong body. JKH was running well and whilst we might have strong competition if we played an intraclub basketball game if it was soccer Salem would win hands down. He was running solidly in the second group and as always using the ball beautifully come drills. His body probably remains a work in progress but there's no rush. Not everyone can or needs to look like Jack Viney who appears cut out of stone. Of the rest it was nice to see Col Garland working hard to rebuild his fitness base and hopefully get back to career best form. Sam Frost needs to keep working as well but he's got great speed and is a big man, combined with missing time last year that's not a surprise. Dom Tyson impressed me. Kicking the ball well, making a note to kick often on his right foot (steady but not spectacular) and running strongly, early days but a bounce back year could on the cards. All up it was more than enough to see in November and it's nice to know we have 2 dozen or so mainly young players working hard to improve. A good start to a long year ahead.

I appreciate all training reports regardless of who has written them and how comprehensive they are in their content or how professionally (or not) they have been written... the fact that anyone goes to the trouble to first of all attend training and then to write a report (even if it's just a few lines) for our benefit is appreciated.

I would be very very surprised if there is much debate about where the list is at overall and what is needed. Whether it be midfielders, outside runners, KPF's etc etc. I'm sure either of them would then rely on Jason Taylor and Co who spend years watching the kids coming through to pick either the best talent outright or the best players for needs. It seems pretty clear they traded hard to get pick 3, so you'd be pretty confident that whoever they get there will have been decided before they went chasing the pick. Roosy has done the transition before with Horse. He knows how to do it better than anyone. It's been his team for two years, he's not just in there for a few months like other interim coaches. He'll be guiding and leading as he sees is required. In his last couple of years at the Swans you'll recall he went down to the bench to coach individual players and left the overall coaching to Horse who stayed up in the box with all the line coaches. I'm sure we'll see more of that in 2016.

So then just for you dc... Things I saw I didn't like: - many tackles missed or not held onto well enough - many short kicks that easily missed their targets or caused the target to halt momentum. Saw Turls do this on at least three occasions. - Brayshaw sighted for only a short period of time, not sure what's going on there - a couple who really struggled in the running excercises, eg, Frost and Kent. Although given their injuries this season that might be forgiven - I turned around and saw Damien Barrett next to me. Most unpleasant.

I doubt it. If the shoe was on the other foot, and Viv was contracted but Terlich wasn't and we cut Viv loose mid contract, he would be a lot more annoyed. We have to honour contracts, I'm sorry that we made crappy list management decisions, but it isn't Terlich's fault. It is the best solution given we need list space for draft and rookie promotions. Viv only needs to speak to Jetta to understand that this is not the end of the world.

Keeps ducking whenever the starting pistol goes off.

This weeks podcast features Jason Taylor. It's well worth the listen. http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-11-10/pick-no3-dees-to-go-best-available-player-but-not-yet-sure-who-that-is There's an interesting bi-play between Jason and Cal (who I assume is an Essendon supporter) towards the end where its intimated that Cal is pushing an agenda to get Melbourne to pass on Parish so he can get to the Bombers.

Completely agree He had the balls and the relationships to get the info I actually want to hear. Anyone can go to training and tell me what they can see (not that that isn't appreciated!). Not everyone can go to training and provide inside info.

If Barry had been any good we wouldn't have Hogan, Brayshaw or Petracca. He's clearly the architect of any future success we have.

No. Spoken to him once. Just know people who know people. I take an interest in Viv because of his time at freo and more particularly Peel. Then moved here and he was over here. People at Peel will tell you what a great talent he is but has had serious injuries so never gets a real run at it. Even at MFC he split an eyelid first game and could not wear contact lens, dropped to the 2s and gets a broken Jaw. Never let the set backs get in his way. Just hope he gets another go but that looks like some sort of injury will be the main hope which no one wants. His biggest problem is he is such am introvert. Looking forward to his year and watching Tyson this year. Hes another good talent.

I've made it a goal actually to become a journo over the last four years or so. Really focused on getting the job done and being as positive as possible. I'm quite satisfied reading posts like these

Wrong bloke had the contract.

Fixed.

As others have said, I can't see this scenario ever happening. However, you are asking what would happen if it did. The first question Is whether it is the coach that decides this anyway. Perhaps it is the List Manager or the Head of Football, Mahoney, or the Head of Recruiting, Taylor. If it is down to the coach, logic would suggest that after next year the players will be executing Goody's game plan so you would think that he would have a strong voice and it would be surprising for him not to be able to convince Roosy. However, Roosy is the Head Coach, Goody an Assistant until the end of next season. If Roosy thought Goody was making a terrible mistake then I would have thought he would be duty bound to step in. That's the point of the arrangement. Neeld made some shocking decisions against the advice of others including the mentor the Club put in place, Craig. He couldn't be stopped. Goody could be if Roosy thought he was making such a monumental mistake but I'm sure list management, recruiting, Head of Footy even PJ would be involved if there was such an extreme conflict before the final decision. I just can't see that happening. Does that answer your question.

Given this is your riddle, my answer would be Goodwin. Besides the point, that it would probably be Taylor&Viney. But for the sake of the riddle, Goodwin. And I'm pretty sure that your next response would be, "So that makes Roos second in charge" Therefore opening the way for probable discussion on ...well why should we have Roos there for the 3rd year when he's costing us a packet.... . Of which I would probably respond with ...well you see there's this thing called transition, Roos and Horse did it quite well, and it was successful. Roos was on the boundary, Horse was up in the box calling the shots in preparation for Horse as outright senior gig on his own. Then we may or may not lead a merry go dance and bring in other factors and points of view; chew the fat on the pros and cons of the benefits of a Roos/Goodwin 2016 or a outright Goodwin 2016 coaching stint. Anyway, I hope I've solved your riddle. But I am expecting part II of this riddle, knowing that you found it very intriguing a few weeks ago when you heard that the transition and responsibilities had already changed for Goodwin. Good discussion anyway BB.

I'll give you a different hypothetical outcome. Roos has been at pains to point when it comes to Goodwin that they basically share the same views and philosophies on football and how it should be played. I'll put it to you that they wouldn't disagree on much. However if you want to present the scenario that they are diametrically opposed and Taylor and co rank the draftees equally - I would suggest that Roos would say that anything you get out of a first year player is a bonus - it is about setting up the team for years to come - I won't be here - it's your call Goody....

Probably Jason

Poor Viv.. if i was him id be shitty the fact Terlich is still on the senior list.. Anyway i guess that leaves us with 4 spots to take into the draft.

Now thats a real training training report tasman! Best i have read.. probably ever! Also a big pat on the back to Giorgiou for the running commentary on training today. Both of you and whoever i missed a job well done!

Things I saw which I liked... In a 7 vs 5 drill (or whatever the numbers were) the ball was kicked forward of the players to Turls ( I think) who was running ahead of his man in same direction as incoming ball. Only problem for him was that his man was Joel Smith who leapt up high and intercepted with his finger tips to stop the play. Has a big leap. Got real encouragement for that. Second, saw JKH clean up Harmes who didn't see him close in quickly. Wasn't a big hit, play went on and there were no hard feelings. But good to see JKH engage in the contest. Also saw him lay a fantastic tacke which stopped play. Also liked OMac, he's got more size and is certainly developing a tank. Finished ahead in a number of his running drills. Might give his bro a run for his money in a year or two. Salem is all class, his disposal is exquisit and his awareness excellent. And finally, can I say one last time that Christian Petracca is a beast. Comparable only to Jesse Hogan.

comprehensive, interesting and beautifully written. A brilliant piece enhanced by your writing skills.

TMac easily the best of the runners. Other notables were Harmes, Viney, OMac (he's building size and a tank), ANB and I thought Tyson did well. Strugglers were King, Frost, some of the Casey boys and Joel Smith. TMac surging ahead in this pic and Smith was well and truly spent back at the light pole. They all got around him when he finished, lots of encouragement for SOS.

Should have cut Terlich, paid his contract out and been a better club for it.

http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2015-11-10/world-anti-doping-agency-recommends-banning-of-russian-athletes/6925706 This all seems incredibly familiar. Of course when its russia they obviously did it but we in australia dont do that sort of thing...

I think what I like about the photos that I have seen is that a number of the players in them have already proven that they can make an impact at senior level. Not a "Gysberts come in for 2 high possession games" impact, but a "Viney locking down Joel Selwood" type impact. Other than Viney, Salem has proven he has what it takes. Tyson is my favourite player, so he only needs to fart on a footy field and I think he's fabulous. AvB should only improve. TMc is one of the best defenders in the league. Hogan, well, enough said. Brayshaw, ANB and Stretch have all shown they have the tools that, with the right development, can see them easily best 18. Not only that, while they are only boys, they look like young men. And our "better" players aren't even back yet! Frigging hell, off I go back to the confessional thread.

Essendon shouldn't even exist anymore. They should have been wiped off the map. They have no place in Australian sport.

Having not seen enough of these players (and also not being a professional scout), I am especially interested to see what we do with our picks based on how they help improve our list. On that part, I can see a benefit to either Curnow or Parish. Parish is a clean midfielder who uses the ball well and is just a good footballer's footballer. He would complement our other midfielders well as a link between the grunt and the runners. He's clearly a good player and would be a safe pick. Curnow would help our forward line enormously (and I imagine we'd be picking him as a forward, not midfielder) because he would complement Hogan and a possible ruck/forward really well. He playes as a proper key forward, but his movement around the ground and endurance is very good. In terms of a forward line, we need a mobile marking player who can compete for a long ball when needed or work on the ground as a second banana to Hogan. High endurance key forwards are very, very valuable, especially with the modern tactics. I don't have a preference either way, because I don't know how good each player is and I know we've moved up to pick 3 because there's probably a player there that the club really wants. I suppose I secretly hope it's Curnow, because he's a rarer type of player and moving up to pick 3 means that we really wanted/needed that player as part of our structure. But if it's Parish then I'll be happy because they just think he's really good.

nah, a deal has been worked out (as usual) essendrugs were too quick to publicly accept work cover's charges\ go quietly and we'll minimise the hurt

what a compliment coming from Hemingway himself!

Are some missing the point here? Women's footy is in a developmental stage. Support it! Embrace it so that more more resources and money are tipped into it. Until recent years the corporate/financial/media support for netball has been [censored] weak. The Matildas are struggling for a quid. Unless women have financial support they will not be able to participate. Without widespread participation no women's sport will flourish. So yes - get behind it!

I think there is a smallish probability that OD's tram ticket, wet or dry, will be stuck on a baseball bat. We'll see.

Carlton need a key back just as much, if not more, than they need a key forward. They won't pass on Weitering. Their list is in too bad of a shape for them to not be taking the best available.

Ahh yes, was hoping Getty images would cover the session. Brilliant pics. And thanks to all for the training reports

There's a lot of talk around the draft discussion about picking up a tall key position forward but when you think about what we already have and the versatility and potential of young players such as Hogan, T Mac, Frost, O Mac and King, I don't see that there's a burning need to take risks early in the draft with keys given the best two in the country are likely to be gone before we have our first pick. The discussion and reports here simply serve to confirm in my mind that we have the capacity in this draft to continue stocking up with the best young midfield talent so that in the latter part of this decade and well into the next we can have the best and most rounded midfield in the competition.

Thanks for the effort, would appreciate a bit more detail next time though. But seriously, fantastic report, thanks a lot.

Hope this guy can play footy. He's had more hype than the monorail.

In fairness what else could they do? If there are no records and no one has given them evidence of what they took all they can do is fine the club for not keeping records. Personally I think the Directors are culpable as well as Doc Reid - who should IMO never be allowed to practice again.

Photos are up MFC Photo Gallery - 9 November 2015 AFL Photos

Thanks for the reports to those who could make it...pure gold at this time of year.

Gee, I hope he decides to get real at some point!

Kent, for mine, is only slightly behind Truck on the " i cant wait to see how he goes this (coming) year" list. Has the mongrel about him that Roos loves, and might just be an injury free season away from becoming a genuine gun. Obviously i have high hopes, but im rarely wrong GO KENTYYYYYYYYYYYYY

Some old guy with a grey beard riding a scooter.

Petracca running, jumping and playing kick to kick is football porn

My doc said if you have to choose between being a smoker and a drinker, be a drinker. He said that while injecting himself with something out a of a spoon but I never got to ask him if being a druggie was even better coz he passed out. Last laugh was on him as I left without paying for my tatt!