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Stood watching the training with RGRS (who needs to harden up - cold?) As per the norm had a chat with a few Watts - he crouched down to have his photo taken with a young kid after he had finished training, that would have tested the hammy!...told me he just had a mild corkie Tyson - was actually shocked to see Carazzo come to him on Saturday, was told by coaches to just keep playing the way he has been told to, was pleased with his defenisve efforts Bail - said he was still working on his set shots was pleased to see the 'Watts' method work on Saturday JKH - said him and Dawesy had kissed and made up after Dawes' spray just before he kicked the goal, working on getting the understanding around the 'new' forward line Jetta - put his form down to being injury free and enjoying his footy down at Casey Terlich - for all the team pickers, reckons he is sweet for Sunday Trengove - most of what he said in his presser on the Club website, you can tell it is a mixture of relief and disappointment, relief because he had begun to doubt himself and of course disappointment for being out so long Viney - looking forward to Sunday, just wants 22 having a crack again "it's a simple game" Evans - complimented him on his all action sub appearance, said it was required if he wants to stay in the team Kent - absolutely no injury worries and is feeling the fittest he has been Chip asked me what I thought of him as a forward, I gave the right answer Georgiou - this bloke is so refreshing to talk to, asked him about his footy background a bit more, this is paraphrasing "never really thought of footy as a career, just progressed through the juniors at Norwood whilst at school and uni, then cracked a spot in the senior side and it sort of went from there,, only looked at maybe footy as a career in September last year" "doesn't think who he is matched up on, just another body" I think that is about it Somebody actually wanted to talk about walk whilst I was typing, cheek.

Went down to training this morning, early start and bloody cold. No sign of Jake Spencer, don't know why. Dawes, Grimes and Watts had pretty easy sessions, Dawes joining those on light duties who included Strauss, Blease among others, they did slow laps though Dawes was well ahead of them. Terlich was in this group, very light duties. Tapscott also did laps but at much faster pace than this group, hopefully he can get himself on the park consistently and save his career, I think he has the ability, but he has to show it. Most of the session after the warm up involved quick use of the ball, getting it into the forward line quickly. Overall the skills were pretty good, with some of of the usual suspects spraying it. Chip spent quite a bit of time seemingly working on the most effective set shot routine. Early on, most shots were going right, but with him jogging in a bit more fluidly he started to nail them consistently. Overall, it seemed to me that not only did the players seem to be enjoying themselves more than in the past, they seemed to be more like a team, I know that is subjective and all "touchy feely" but it was an impression I got and a positive one. One last thing, I was in awe of the quality of barrels that Lynden Dunn was sending about three miles out of the goal square at the end of training. Any questions feel free to ask, will try answer as best I can.

So you're suggesting the medical and fitness staff are negligent and ignorant? It's this kind of mindless uninformed drivel that makes Demonland bounce from entertaining and interesting to frustrating and stupid. If you knew ANYTHING about the aetiology, diagnosis and management of midfoot injuries your opinion MIGHT be valid. In the absence of knowledge, it is simply rubbish.

Yet the "experts" still think we should've taken Kelly. F-wits.

Webber, I think you're getting a bit too defensive about posters asking what would seem to be reasonable and intelligent questions about this. Some posters who are health professionals, others who have experience of this or similar injuries. Note that "asking questions" does not equate to "witch-hunt", and nobody is suggesting the latter. Yes, it is an inexact science, and you don't always get the definitive evidence you need. But their index of suspicion must have been high enough to get "scans" (doesn't say which) earlier in the year, and you'd expect Trengove and his injury were discussed among the medicos & physios over that period. Yes, it had to be a judgement call, in the absence of solid evidence; yes, it all makes much more sense now in hindsight than it would have at the time. But, although the decision to keep Trengove playing was a reasonable one, on the evidence they had at the time, it was the wrong call. It happens. I'm sure the medical staff would be doing a thorough review here. If there is any relationship to Trengove's injury from 2012, it's not insignificant that there's been an overhaul of our medical staff over that time, and the question must be asked about whether this loss of continuity was a factor. And it does seem to contrast with a much more cautious approach that they're taking with the likes of Hogan, Gawn and others. They will be picking through these issues and more. And I stress - that's not to say that the staff aren't up to it. Again, I don't think anybody's suggesting that.

Great to hear that he sees it the same way as many of us have, a sense of "thank god, an answer". If we thought we were frustrated with how he moved, it wouldn't hold a candle to how frustrated Jack must be. Now that the dust has settled, I'm excited at the thought of seeing a reinvigorated Trengove in 2015.

You haven't heard about Josh Kelly? Future brownlow medallist, that kid. Ask around, there's plenty of people who haven't even seen him play yet, but they still know that much...

At the elite level particularly, pain is not always the presenting symptom when things aren't what they were (speed, kicking distance). There are biomechanical factors which, when in dysfunction, will cause diminished function, but not pain.

you've got to be kidding. roos on 360 is absolutely essential exposure for our club.

They both explained it to me, part of it is the 'relaxing', Roh Bail was worried about it the second he picked up the ball to go back and prepare, basically Watts has told him to just do the routine like Watts does, he counts the steps backwards, relaxes his shoulders and drops his arms and takes a long slow breath, sights the goal, starts slowly and then tries to just make it one smooth flowing action coming in.......the main point is not to worry about anything just concentrate on following the simple routine...seemed to work for both of them on Saturday, if you watch you will see the similarity.......watch Dunn if you want to see something completely different

Damien Barrett criticises Dom Tyson trade to Mfc... has never seen him play...

Webber, I have just come up with a brilliant business plan for yourself. What about whenever your next patient presents with any ailment that you are doubtful of, you post on here and we all get to diagnose and offer our incredible medical knowledge?

How did Jordie train, after all, no Jordie no Melbourne.

Just watched the presser, very impressive young man our Jack. You can see why he was looked at as a leader and why he went no2. I would love to see him come back and tear games apart if any one deserves it this bloke does. Despite all the missmanagement and the crap this club has thrown at him he has stayed loyal and strong. He is a ripper.

I think it's a great idea - I rate myself as a reasonably committed footy fan who knows most of the 45 MFC players by sight and all of them by number. But that recognition would vary from say 30 players at well-known Victorian clubs down to less than 10 players at lesser known interstate clubs. For example I reckon I didn't know who half a dozen Carlton players were on Saturday - I was asking my Carlton mate "Who's that (gumby)?". And there's a big set of fans less informed than me. Names on jumpers would be a big help for me.

I had the pleasure of talking with Shaun Smith about injuries and although the Science has progressed he said the tightrope hasn't. Shaun said he was never 100% pain/ache/niggle free - it was a fine line between what was his norm and what was a more serious injury with which he shouldn't play. He reckons 90% of the time the medico's and himself go it right. He pointed out that nothing has changed today and the medical staff still heavily rely on player feedback as to what is going on with their bodies. Players play with niggles and soreness - the scans didn't pick up Trengoves fracture. If you took the cautious approach with 3/4 of the players playing today you wouldn't have any of them on the field. But we slam the medico's for Trengove playing when perhaps he shouldn't and we slam the medico's because Hogans back isn't following the timetable we would like.

What is Roos going to say about Watts? Watts is talented, he has a lot of potential but very little of it has been unlocked so far. He was an important signing for the club. He was victimised by the previous coach. Of course Roos is going to pump him up and then get to work developing him. So far he's 1 good game, 2 just ok ones, 1 shocker. Not many have height, speed and the occasional perfect silky kick but outside mid who doesn't rack up many touches, doesn't win contested ball, doesn't tackle etc, they are a dime a dozen. Here's Nic Nat winning a game. Can you remember it? One man clearances, goals out of the ruck, perfect forward ruck taps, big marks. Right now due to form or injury or both he's a very average player. But he's had runs of form particularly in 2011 and 2012 where even with little on the stats sheets by marks or possessions he's been a very good player. No way is he worth 1mil per year. Yes his AA was pretty soft, I didn't agree with it. No way can you confidently say he's a future star as his development has stalled. But he's still got all that's needed to be an above average ruckman, he's already been that and the highlights package is just a bonus.

I cannot stand the love for Naitanui. His selection in the AA team in 2012 was probably the single worst AA decision I've ever seen. He has the talent to do a lot of things. Every now and again he'll have a quarter where he gets 10 touches and does something athletically freakish. The foolish see that as sufficient. The rest of us note that the rest of the time (and we're talking 80%+ of his career) he is non-existent. Undoubtedly the AFL's most over-rated player.

WHAT ME WORRY? by Whispering Jack I was sitting at my desk on Tuesday afternoon and I tapped out the usual message that directs me to the footy news. The headline that flashed across the screen said "Trengove set to miss rest of 2014 season" and, given that the site was that of the Melbourne Football Club and the colours of the livery around the page were red and blue, I figured it couldn't be Port Adelaides Trengove and we had another player in trouble. The shocking depth and volume of mishaps that have afflicted the Melbourne Football Club in recent years have been so breathtaking in number that the loss for a season of another impressive young man barely touched the senses. In past times, the news would have created an enormous feeling of loss, panic and a touch of paranoia followed by anger but these days, it's no more than another sad footnote to a sorry chapter of events presumably conjured up by sadistic football gods determined to beat us senseless because we chose Melbourne as the team to support (or perhaps it's the Curse of the Red Fox*) The combination of all of those heavy blows that have rained down upon us has left no room for anger and while once, we might have adopted the style of Peter Finch in Network by getting out of our chairs, going to the window and shouting "I'm as mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore!", we now remain calm and dignified. I'm not mad any more. Yes, it is another crushing blow to a fine young man, but Jack Trengove will heal and he will come back. In some ways, I think it might be a relief to discover what suddenly and mysteriously caused him to lose the dynamism that had Matt Burgan likening him to Nathan Buckley in his 2009 AFL Phantom Draft ("Trengove has excellent speed, endurance and leadership. He can also play midfield, forward or back"). I now realise we need to accept that injury and other disappointments are mere setbacks that are part and parcel of the game that must be accepted in the same vein as the good things that happen - like winning the four points on offer from a side that won a final last year. Once we realise that and refuse to wallow in self pity about the disasters that befall us, then we can shrug off the curse and start to become winners once more. * THE CURSE OF THE RED FOX There's an excellent article in this week's Inside Football by Brett Anderson who is a Demon supporter and who attributes our woes to the sacking of Norm Smith in 1965. He maintains that this curse is real. And now Jack Trengove. No wonder we just shrug the news of his injury off without so much as a thought. THE GAME Melbourne v Gold Coast Suns at the MCG Sunday 20 April, 2014 at 3.20 pm HEAD TO HEAD Overall Melbourne 3 wins Gold Coast Suns 2 wins At MCG Melbourne 2 wins Gold Coast Suns 1 win Past five years Melbourne 3 wins Gold Coast Suns 2 wins The Coaches Roos 0 wins McKenna 0 wins MEDIA TV - Channel 7 & Fox Sports 3 @ 3.00pm (live) RADIO - Triple M, 3AW THE BETTING Melbourne to win - $3.75 Gold Coast Suns to win - $1.60 THE LAST TIME THEY MET Gold Coast Suns 13.12.90 defeated Melbourne 10.17.77 Round 20, 2013 at Metricon Stadium The Demons were in this game all the way thanks to Colin Garland and Jordie McKenzie giving Gary Ablett Junior a working over. However, others in the Suns' midfield stepped up. Jack Viney played the best game of his brief career and Nathan Jones worked his butt off. The game was Campbell Brown's last - he was suspended for a vicious kick at James Strauss then offended in the off season and was duly sacked by the Suns. THE TEAMS MELBOURNE B: Alex Georgiou, Tom McDonald, Lynden Dunn HB: Dean Terlich, James Frawley, Jack Grimes C: Jack Viney, Dom Tyson, Bernie Vince HF: Jack Watts, Cam Pedersen, Jordie McKenzie F: Jeremy Howe, Chris Dawes, Rohan Bail FOLL: Jake Spencer, Nathan Jones, Daniel Cross I/C: Jay Kennedy-Harris, Matt Jones, Neville Jetta, Michael Evans EMG: Shannon Byrnes, Jack Fitzpatrick, Jimmy Toumpas IN: Neville Jetta OUT: Dean Kent (calf) GOLD COAST SUNS B: Matthew Warnock, Steven May, Greg Broughton HB: Sean Lemmens, Rory Thompson, Trent McKenzie C: Matt Shaw, Gary Ablett, Jarrod Harbrow HF: Aaron Hall, Tom Lynch, Danny Stanley F: Luke Russell, Sam Day, Brandon Matera Fol: Tom Nicholls, Jaeger O'Meara, David Swallow I/C: Jack Hutchins, Kade Kolodjashnij, Michael Rischitelli, Dion Prestia EMG: Tom Murphy, Timmy Sumner, Jeremy Taylor IN: Brandon Matera Out: Clay Cameron (shoulder) OPENING DOORS It was only a matter of a few hours before the news of Jack Trengove's navicular bone fracture broke (pun not intended), that I wrote in response to a reference about Neville Jetta getting a run for Melbourne, "Unless another long term injury opportunity opens up Nev can't play until round 12 when we will automatically be able to elevate another rookie." I was clearly tempting fate and suffering from temporary amnesia about the Curse of the Red Fox and it took no time for that LTI to surface (really sorry Jack). It took not that much longer for Jetta's elevation onto the senior list and some more hours later he was in the squad of 25 to take on the Gold Coast Suns. He'll play on Sunday. Neville Jetta is a survivor. When chosen at 51 in the Watts/Naitanui draft at the end of 2008, he (along with Jaimie Bennell) joined the club's tight knit indigenous heroes in Matty Whelan, Aaron Davey and Austin Wonaemirri. Soon after they were joined by the enigmatic Liam Jurrah, literally plucked out of the desert of Central Australia via the next preseason draft. There was a promise of indigenous excitement and there were certainly some moments but one by one, they disappeared attended by fragments of tragedy, by sadness and by injury. At the end of last year they were all gone - Jetta, who suffered his share of injuries throughout his career and was thought to be lacking in pace, delisted in October after 41 AFL games. However, he managed to gain a reprieve in December via the rookie draft and immediately set about the process of rebuilding his career with a full preseason including some starring roles in his practice matches at Casey. These were followed by two outstanding performances with the Scorpions playing both forward and back (he was a major contributor in his team's opening round win over Essendon) and when the door closed on Jack Trengove's 2014 season, it opened for Jetta. Such is the changing face of the game. The same changes are in the air for Jetta's club. Despite losing two team leaders of who much was expected in 2014, the "Roosification" of the Demons is starting to take hold even if it's only happening in small steps. Suddenly, this week's game against the Gold Coast Suns takes on a completely different complexion. Whereas, the equivalent match up twelve months ago saw the fledgling AFL club come of age with a then record 10 goal victory, this time it's Melbourne that is threatening to break out of the shackles of mediocrity. The Suns are a much better team in their home state where they have played three of their four games and recorded their two wins to date but last week they were dismembered to the time of 99 points by the all conquering Hawks. Very few teams recover from such shattering defeats (and let's face it the current Hawthorn side will do that to most opponents) so it's incredible to consider that the bookies have the Suns as such a firm favourite to win. It must surely be the Ablett factor because his presence makes that midfield superior to that of the Demons but it also means that if he can be covered the game is eminently winnable. And Melbourne's midfield with the addition of Tyson, Vince and Cross and a fit hardnut in Jack Viney is an entirely different one to that which capitulated so easily last year. It's true that Melbourne still has lots to do to get up to par after so many seasons in the football wilderness. The team still ranks 17th in the competition for inside 50s this year at an average of 42.5 per game (compared to Gold Coast's eighth at 51.5) but that figure is coloured by the fact that until the recent forward line renovation which included Chris Dawes' return last week, the Demons weren't all that fully focussed or equipped to move the ball into attack despite the fact that they were getting greater use of the football. Further, Melbourne's disposal efficiency rate of 72.5 per cent (7th overall) eclipses that of the Suns who rank last at 66.2%. I expect Melbourne's home ground advantage, renewed confidence, rebuilt midfield, "Roosified" team structure and our cooler climate to cause Bluey's Suns to become unhinged enabling the door to open for yet another breakthrough after last week's win over Carlton. Melbourne by 30 points.

As a Medico I know the diagnostic process is very inexact and that it takes time for many conditions to declare themselves. If a stress fracture was forming the outcome may well have been the same. A delay in diagnosis may make very little difference. Sometimes you just have to see what develops and only act when the picture is clear.

Without getting too detailed BB, the midfoot is critical to the 'rigid lever' that the foot must become to allow power in push off, thus for running and jumping. It also must have the flexibility to allow deformation of the foot during weightbearing prior to push off. The navicular is the keystone of the arch which forms the rigid lever. If it's suspect, the whole transfer of power is inhibited. If JT's nav heals without issues of blood supply being affected, there's no reason he can't make a full recovery, and that would include complete power capabilities. If the midfoot was unstable either biomechanically or as a conscious lack of trust in it, he would certainly present with those symptoms, but there are a bunch of other pathologies that could give the same symptoms.

think it is the genes bossdog,,,,,,some of us are just born with it

I have a novel idea. Let's unveil him on Queen's Birthday to much fanfare.

Here's a good one - http://m.geelongcats.com.au/video/2014-04-14/hilarious-vfl-blooper

You're onto it Nutbean. There's a misunderstanding on here that the 'absolute' exists for diagnosis, and treatment. It's not a perfect science, by some enormous margin. The imperfections of diagnostic testing are frustrating, be it MR, bone scan, X-ray, ultrasound, etc. Without evidence provided by the above, you're dealing with 'subjective' symptoms, and some objective evidence, e.g. Loss of power/speed, of which there can be a multitude of causes. Many bone pathologies need to reach a threshold of significance to become detectable to any of the battery of tests we can throw at them. Prior to that, you're dealing with possibilities only, for which there is no management plan. I'm relieved for JT, and clearly so is he, that he has a definitive pathology now, for which there is a DEFINITIVE management plan, and for which the outcomes are mostly completely successful. There ARE exceptions, such as Egan and Croad. Egan's I don't know about, but Croad's became well known in the industry as being remarkable for the extent of midfoot damage he suffered. His career was over the moment he came to grief. Navicular fractures are not uncommon, and NOT isolated to the MFC, nor more prevalent at the MFC.

I actually don't think thats a bad thing, for how much shite he cops on here, he actually played bloody well last week as a back men, keep him there.

Jordie, Ro and Lynden - perennial whipping boys - instrumental in that victory.

JKH is a ripper, and it looks like we have nailed another late pick following on the tradition of draft steals like Dean Kent, Matt Jones and Tom McDonald to name a few Just need to get our 1ast round picks right from now on lol

Best example i can think of off the top of my head is the 2008 comeback against Freo. 15,000 at the ground (i was one of them) sounded like 70,000 when we hit the front. Getting goosebumps thinking about that game now!

What are we training on concrete or something? Or could it have been the extra weight on the shoulders? FMD.

the rather large assumption you are making is that the medico's weren't trying to figure out why.

Neeld would've given him the option - the desk or the table.

They are the same useless draft tests that said Trengove was quick over 20 metres They are pointless tests not taken in the context of a game JKH is quick where it matters, on the footy field

the outer part of the boot is not as important as the arch and footbed which can be retro fitted into anything.

You're right in that sense. But.. even the amateurs on this site ( and I definitely include myself) having been banging on about Trengoves lack of running power. It is so obvious he has lost all acceleration over the last two years. I posted a video of him in the U18s on another thread somewhere. The difference is stark. Yet the professionals can't see that there must be something not right. The big worry for me is, if they did earlier scans on his foot ( I assume that by omission in the Josh Mahoney statement), they must have suspected a foot problem. Everyone knows from their own experience that scans can be inconclusive. So why would you not look further when the bloke is obviously struggling? Especially when he has history.

37:00 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GWc1BNBn8U

Ah, he's learnt from his mistakes now B59. Instead of delaring one way or another, he lists a number of scenarios that could happen, with the theory that his articles will "always" be "right". Examples; Mitch Clark - Robbo reported a meeting between club and management where Mitch will either retire, ask for more time off, come back and start training straight away or head overseas for specialist treatment. Not sure what the other options would be if he didn't do one of the four that the sloth listed. Jack Trengove - Robbo said it'll either end his career or it won't. Wow, thanks for that, genius. I feel so much smarter knowing that he will either play again or he won't. I get the feeling Robbo backs 24 horses in the Melbourne Cup, just so he can tell anyone that can be bothered listening that he backed the winner.

Really gutted for Jack, loved the kid in his first 2 years and really think he possesses great attitude, footy smarts and sacrifices himself for the club. Hope you heal quickly Trenners and get your body right come back 100% and the next few seasons are a lot kinder to you

Pretty much backwards to my rating. 1. Nic Nat, despite current injury struggles he's definitely a top 5 ruck just waiting to break free. He's only one year older than Max Gawn FFS! Once he gets the body right and Cox goes he'll get to ruck full time and his clean hit outs and great stoppage play with shine. He's won games by brilliant play, who else on this list has done that? 2. Gibbs, yeah he's a bit lazy but he's also a 25 touch midfielder who can kick goals and use the ball well 3. Watts - a younger even softer and lazier version of Gibbs, hopefully he lifts soon, signs are slowly positive 4. Kreuzer - too slow forward, too short ruck, not physical, but at least he's a reasonable player even if he'd be anonymous as a late round pick 5. Scully - no weapons (doesn't use his endurance for benefit), can't kick, can't win the ball inside, pretty much a poor mans Rohan Bail

As they reach the twilight of their careers we should reflect on the 3 guys who have spoilt it for everyone since their super draft of 2001. Hodge, Ball & Judd set an expectation that has not been matched since and that is that a top ten draft pick guarantees a champion. It just doesn't happen anymore. Of that draft top 20 only Hale (7) Bartel (8) Dal Santo (13) and Kelly (17) are still running around and have made a name for themselves, didn't Geelong do well out of it. Subsequent drafts maybe produce one of this calibre in the top 10 and it is just that 2001 has created a false expectation. Oh and Dane Swan went at pick 59

Much better than Lisfranc. The only potential complication is avascular necrosis (damage to the blood supply to the navicular, resulting in death of the bone, and end of career) of the navicular. Very unlikely. Ideally, this solves any midfoot power transfer problems JT has been having, which he has been quoting according to Josh Mahoney. I don't like the sound of midfoot weakness without pain, but we'll know if it's uncomplicated after the surgeon goes in on Friday.

Had to laugh at the VFL report for Bleasey: Sam Blease: Unfortunately, Bleasey went to tackle a bloke early in the first quarter and he tackled him with his chin and knocked himself out. He didn’t take any further part in the game. It was by the 10-minute mark, so that was his day. http://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/2014-04-15/vfl-player-review-round-two Bit of humour from Brett Allison

Spotlight goes off for the rest of the year. I know it's probably inappropriate as it would not reflect how Jack feels, but I too feel relieved in a way. Best of luck with the recovery Jack.

My new partner barracks for Collingwood ( still has her own teeth - amazing !) I took her aside about two years ago and said I wanted to ask her a very serious question - she got quite flustered. I asked her to change football teams to Melbourne. Didn't talk to me for three days. Only after a week did I realise she thought I was going to ask her to marry me. I am sensing there is a reason why I have two failed marriages behind me. ( postscript - she has met me halfway now - she has stopped barracking for Collingwood - its a good start)

I actually felt a little bit sick putting those two words together. ( Carlton and friend) a story - my two daughters were/are Melbourne supporters - both grown up now. When we were going through a horror patch - one of the many - my eldest daughter who was about 9 said she couldnt take it any more and wanted to barrack for the same team as mummy - she was a Carlton supporter in name only. I said to the now ex wife," I can go through life not having having a son but I cant go through life living with an actual Carlton supporter - So the exie changed to barracking for Melbourne - and to this day - every week my now 24 year old daughter and I go together to the footy. A side note - I may have also told the daughter that I would cancel her MCC waiting list application and I would never take her to the football again - harsh but necessary.

As someone who has fijian heritage as myself and a supporter of all islanders in sport Nick Nat is very overated. What makes him look flashy is because of his incredible leap and palm tree style hair. NN is like all islanders and more built for rugby. Hence why he is so inconsistent in games. He doesn't have the endurance and aerobic capacity to run out full games. He is only good in bursts like a true rugby player. His All Australian year was a joke. Maric or Sam jacobs should have got the nod. I am a massive massive fan of his for him for sure for putting my country of birth on the map but putting my footballing cap on we chose the right choice in Watts. Some people are still need to take of the rose coloured glasses and realize it takes more then flashy play to beckme a very good AFL player.

I am very sorry for jack. He's committed himself to us, and done his best in very tough circumstances. He was a victim of a very poor decision to appoint him co-captain, but tried his heart out. I wonder if this injury has taken a long time to declare itself, or be diagnosed. So many people have potted him for his running ability, and it's possible that this injury has slowed him down over the last year or two. Perhaps it's related to the foot injury that required Danks's controversial cream. Meanwhile it must have been distracting having the possibility of an ASADA interrogation hanging over his head for so long.....though I think he's been exonerated officially. I wish him all the best for a complete recovery. He's a very impressive young man.

yeah loved it too also loved the carlton fans booing at 3/4 time

Demonland is a funny place at times. So quick to defend their own when a player is being criticised, yet happy to join in the chorus when it comes to opposition players. Nic Nat and Grundy. Suddenly demonland don't rate them because they're out of form for whatever reason. I've seen them both perform at a level which tells me they are definitely players. Grundy in his second year. Nic Nat perhaps battling injury and finding it hard to find some consistency. Watts managed poorly and still finding it challenging to perform consistently and at the required intensity. All are still developing. It's like schoolyard bullying in here. The amount of pent up anger and frustration some posters have is just comical.

Dean Kent ate him and then took his spot in our best 22.