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Long story short. Andy bad. Nasher good. We lost data from 3:00am on the 3rd to 11:50am on the 4th. You may now resume your bitching and moaning about this once great football club.

Jack Trengove would be picked up by EVERY other club in the land. He is not a plodder. There are a few plodders on this thread though.

I watched Trengove in the under 18's and he was top shelf. I watched Trengove in his first two years and really liked what I saw. He showed all the makings of a player that would become one of the better midfielders in the competition. I watched Trengove last year and he tried to play differently. He tried to bring a defensive side to his game. He lost initiative and started hunting the man and not the ball. I believe he'll start getting the right balance back this year. Trengove wasn't considered slow when he was first drafted, but either way he's a smart footballer and it won't impede his value and contribution. We don't need him running down flanks breaking the lines. We need his ability to provide grunt in the middle and his nous, which he most definitely has. Finally, this from Joel Selwood about himself: "I'm not a pretty footballer. I'm slow, I don't kick it as well as the good kicks. I'm what you could say is an olden-day footballer in many ways." Some are too concerned with Trengove's speed and have lost sight of the 17 year old that starred for Sturt in a preliminary final. We're so rapt up in the here and now that we don't even recall the class he showed in his first two years. If Trengove is good enough he's most definitely quick enough. I believe he'll be top shelf. I always have.

What happened? Did Jack Viney post?

If only Sunday's game could disappear into the same black hole ..

My late father was born in Sydney and his father took him to Melbourne, after my grandmother died when Dad was only 16. My grandfather owned pubs; one in Melbourne and 2 in Ballarat. The one he owned on Melbourne, was the Prince Patrick hotel in Victoria Parade, Collingwood, which is where my dad lived. Living in that area, the friends he made told him he would have to follow an Aussie rules team - my father being a staunch Rabbitohs man from his days in Sydney. More than that, his mates said living in the area he did, he would have to choose between Collingwood, Carlton or Fitzroy. My dad was never one to run with the crowd, so he followed the team named after his adopted city - Melbourne. After Mum and Dad married, they moved to what was then considered the outer suburb of Ivanhoe. Ivanhoe, Heidelberg, Preston and surrounds were Collingwood strongholds and my 4 older brothers followed the Pies and still do. I am sure you can imagine the crap I cop from them these days. I stuck with dad and followed the Dees. He would take me to all the old suburban grounds and in those days, for a kid, it was often like going to another country. Of course, in the early days, the MFC were peerless and somehow I sensed, even though not fully aware as a child, that I was following a pretty special football club. In 1964, my dad managed to cadge a couple of final tickets to the GF from his local pub. They were only standing room, but as an 8 year old, the old blokes made sure that the kid was pushed to the front. Not that it mattered really, as I was more interested in collecting the old steel beer cans so I could stand on them. My father was a very conservative man and I never heard him swear before that day or after, but he did let out the magic word in front of me. It was at the time big Ray Gabelich fumbled and stumbled his way along the members side wing to eventually kick a very clumsy goal that put Collingwood in front, deep into the last quarter. The next thing I remember is being flat on my back. In his excitement, dad had jumped in the air and upon landing, knocked me over. Neil "Froggy" Crompton had put the Dees back in front and we won the 1964 flag - our last. Even though I was a young kid, the feeling of euphoria was amazing and to see my dad so ecstatic made me beam. From that point on, I knew I would be a Demon for life. The other thing I remember about going to the footy with dad, was his quirky sayings. Unlike today's communal shout of "BALLLLLLLL" it was the full cry of "HOLDING THE BLOODY BALL". If that went up in a crowd in relation to a Dees player, dad would retort, "HOLDING YOUR BLOODY GIRL". Names like Hassa Mann, Donny Williams, Brian (Doc) Roet, Wrecker Leahy, Johnny Townsend, Geoff Tunbridge, Barry Vagg and Ray Groom were in my scrapbook. The worst part about this story????? When my grandfather passed away, my dad was made executor of the Will. The first thing dad did? He sold the bloody pubs..........sheesh!!!!

It happened shortly after my lobotomy and i've no idea why

feel so sad for rangey all that lost IP

Just like to give some context to what Watts ACTUALLY SAID: "A lot of it is to do with confidence (and) mindset. We've been losing for so long now and it's 'what can you do?' " Watts said. "You look at the good teams like Geelong and Hawthorn and Fremantle and those kind of things. You've got guys like Selwood, Joel Corey, Stevie Johnson, Sam Mitchell and Jordan Lewis - they stand up and they don't accept that (losing) for their club. "We don't have anyone like that today and that's the kind of thing that we need to work on." "That sort of culture and that grit to be able to turn those things around when momentum goes against us, because at the moment we just crumble." I know Demonland likes a good old fashioned witch hunt, but let's put things into context just this once.

No one is saying he is quick. Everyone is recognising he was treacle last year. What most are missing is that there was a marked difference in his movement last year compared to previous. An early video with Misson in the preseason admitted that he played heavy last year and would be trimmed back particularly through the legs. Trengove by his own admission focussed on defensive aspects rather than spread last which would also have affected that. Ignoring the fact it was known he had a calf I also think via observation of his movement and lack of kicking depth it was obvious he had something else going on.

One thing is for sure and that is CS is quite possibly the most disliked AFL club identity as far as the media go. They absolutely love to hate him. McClure had another shot at him on 360 last night. Does a CEO really have that much of a bearing on culture? If he drove the tanking methodology that in-turn lead to the terrible culture at the club recently, then the answer is yes. Personally, I can appreciate some of his work with regards to securing sponsorship and managing that side of the business but I'm unaware of what might've been possible and what he potentially failed at. All I care for is results on the football field and if his influence is still causing grief amongst the FD or playing group then he should FRO. I can't be sure of it though. Let's give the coach and the players a chance to redeem themselves and the club and maybe our obsession with trying to find any problem remotely connected to poor performances will wane. Schwab included.

Says it all and describes exactly how i feel. The only thing was that he didnt go to the Port game......another piece of me died that day.

Does this mean Chris Dawes' hamstring strain didn't really happen and he's OK to play?

Neeld confirms in todays HUN that he will play as will T-mac and Terlich. I believe Trengove will make alot of people eat their words once he gets the right balance in his game between attack and defence. He may not be quick but I watched Watson, Swallow, Kennedy and Gibbs all give best on performances last week. None of whom are quick but have great endurance, work ethic and the knack to find the pill.

not to worry i heard stuie keeps a copy of all his posts and is getting ready to upload them all as for me......i'm still weeping.....some of my finest work now floating around cyberspace as an unattached string of bytes

And I lost 83 likes for my one post that went through my criticisms of Schwab step by step....

Ever since the crash my "like This" button has not worked. Anyone having a similar problem?

sunrise.. are posts , blindfolds and firing squads involved ?

I think the headline should read: 'Ex Jenny Craig model takes ill advised pot shot at young footballer 3 days too late'. Seriously, we should look at getting Neil Balme? I believe we had him before Scott. You know, when you were a player and had an ounce (but not much more) relevance. And lay off Watts. He wasnt saying he couldn't be those players, he was saying nobody stood up yet. Jack had a really bad game but was building in form over the end of 2012 and the preseason. Lets not destroy his self belief for the fun of it. It's pointless.

Thought this was a great article from the AFL website, nothing ground breaking but just a good summary/analysis. Demons the early season stinkers By Peter Ryan8:01am AEDT Thursday, April 4, 2013 The Demons haven't won any of their opening pair of games since 2005 We need 22 players to stand up and take responsibility for their own individual performance Nathan Jones THERE ARE three questions Melbourne fans are still asking themselves after the weekend's debacle when Port Adelaide thrashed the Demons by 79 points: Why is Melbourne so bad? How does it fix the mess? Does it have the people or resources to achieve success again, ever? In a football club all the answers have to be found under the triple spotlight applied by fans, the board, and the media. The Demons' performance in round one was pathetic but it was nothing new. Melbourne, amazingly, has not won in round one or two since 2005. In 15 games it has lost 14 and drawn one. It finished 5th in 2006 and then 14th, 16th, 16th, 12th, 13th and 16th. It has never been higher than 12th going into round three in that time. ROUND 1-2 SUCCESS RATES: 2006-2013 Win% Club G W L D 87 Geelong 15 13 2 0 67 Collingwood 15 10 5 0 67 West Coast 15 10 5 0 67 Western Bulldogs 15 10 5 0 60 Carlton 15 9 6 0 60 Essendon 15 9 6 0 60 St Kilda 15 9 6 0 53 Sydney Swans 15 8 6 1 53 Port Adelaide 15 8 7 0 53 Brisbane Lions 15 8 7 0 50 Adelaide 15 7 8 0 47 Hawthorn 15 7 8 0 40 Fremantle 15 6 9 0 27 North Melbourne 15 4 11 0 25 Gold Coast Suns 4 1 3 0 13 Richmond 2 12 1 0 GWS 3 0 3 0 0 Melbourne 15 0 14 1 So to the key questions, with answers that might give the despairing Demons some hope: Why is Melbourne so bad? It has made poor list management decisions over a long period. Since 2003 its top 10 draft picks have been Colin Sylvia, Brock McLean, Cale Morton, Jack Watts, Tom Scully, Jack Trengove and now, the first under a new regime, Jimmy Toumpas. Sylvia has promised continually and not delivered often enough. He has 21 rounds to match his efforts at training in a game and perform consistently. McLean left. Morton went backwards at a rate of knots and was traded to the Eagles. Watts can't regularly win a contest but appears to be trying to develop a competitive instinct under Neil Craig's direction. Scully left. Trengove struggled last season but works hard, has a competitive attitude and is only 21. He's also one of Melbourne's co-captains. Toumpas could be among the club's top 15 players, already. Jack Viney, a father-son pick, definitely IS among its top 10. Melbourne also has Jesse Hogan waiting in the wings. Consistently, in recent times, the club's best players in the opening round have been first-gamers. Viney and Matt Jones were two of the team's best on Sunday. James Magner earned two Brownlow votes on debut in 2012 and in 2010 it was Tom Scully and Jack Trengove who were among the best in their first games. Such evidence should be damning for the established players. Nathan Jones has been good in that time and a few others, including Jack Grimes, can hold their heads high, but Mark Jamar and Aaron Davey (who did not play last Sunday but has been working hard) have not performed consistently in the opening rounds and other players from their generation rarely rarely have either. James McDonald was an exception yet the club called time on his career too early. That was a previous regime's mistake. Cameron Bruce left and Brad Miller found a new home. The departure of those three seemed to leave a leadership void. Too often Melbourne has stood on the runway ready to launch but a huge gust of wind (think the Brisbane Lions' demolition of them in round one, 2012) has seen the mission aborted. The fact is too many of Melbourne's senior players have been conditional – good when the going is good, but quick to throw in the towel when they start getting beaten. The margins – both winning and losing over the past five years – are one indication of the truth of such a statement. It means naming a consistently strong Melbourne player over 25 years of age in recent times is difficult. Again the conditional approach was taken on Sunday, with last year's best and fairest winner Nathan Jones admitting as much on Wednesday. "Clearly our urgency and competitiveness wasn't up to the standard we expect, " Jones said. Anyone who saw talented defender (and former All Australian) James Frawley jogging along the MCG Members' wing trailing his opponent Justin Westhoff in the first 10 minutes of the game would have been mortified by his lack of urgency. He probably left the MCG more quickly on Boxing Day. Somehow the presumption that may have been made – that no player would need firing up for round one of the season – proved erroneous. Can you imagine a player from the Sydney Swans, Hawthorn, Geelong, Collingwood, or the West Coast Eagles accepting such an effort? Read Daniel Hannebery's explanation to AFL.com.au as to why he backed back into a pack during last year's Grand Final: "The mark wasn't really anything special," said Hannebery. "It is expected of us, to consistently play in the side." That sort of attitude has not been a mark of Melbourne teams in the past five or six years. When no-one could win the ball early in the game on Sunday, most crumbled like a Weetbix hit with a hammer. "[it's] one of the worst losses I've played in due to [the fact] I was expecting us to perform to a level that I saw [equal] to the improvement I saw in the pre-season," Jones said. Mark Neeld understands such efforts have consequences. "Some things happen that make players and make football clubs uneasy – that’s the way it goes. It’s not nice, but that’s the industry we’re in. It’s a fierce industry," Neeld told the Demons' website. Unfortunately the principle Melbourne must adhere to is one most supporters are fed up with: cultural change takes time. Last year Melbourne was outscored in the second half of games by 71.26. Last Sunday, it conceded 8.12 to 1.4 after half time, showing no improvement in an area it must have targeted over the summer. Viney addressed the group after the round one thrashing, a fair task for a first-gamer. That action brought back memories of Joel Selwood's arrival at Geelong in 2007 when he told the Cats' perennial under-performers he was there to win a premiership. His words made the talented senior players [censored] up their ears. But it took until round 5, 2007 after the Cats lost three of its first five games, for Geelong's Paul Chapman to tell everyone he was sick of losing. On that pivotal day when the team lost at home to North Melbourne, Chapman and Selwood were among the Cats' best. The Cats have not looked back since that day. You could argue Selwood embarrassed others into action. Perhaps such a time arrives when enough is enough. How does Melbourne fix this mess? It needs to believe in the people in charge, back hard decisions and hold its nerve. But it also needs to be hard on each other. And not give people outs or excuses. As Neil Craig said on melbournefc.com.au, the club now has to earn back the supporters' and members' trust. And it needs to understand what led to a defeat of that nature. Having belief in each other doesn't mean the people in charge don't refine their behavior, improve in certain areas or ask difficult questions. Melbourne has backed a coaching group to orchestrate change and drive high standards. It will continue down that path so the choice is for players to embrace it or continue to accept mediocrity. If they don't like aspects of the teaching they need to be mature enough to raise the issue and improve, not sulk and rebel as some have in the past. Some larrikin behavior can be tolerated as long as the job is being done. Greater risk needs to be encouraged, as long as the basic competitiveness component is fulfilled. Neeld needs to develop a poker face to use in trying circumstances. And still expose the care he has for his players. Grimes said Neeld had told his players he knew they could be better than they had showed on Sunday as their training sessions had demonstrated the right level of commitment. This is not bluff. Nowadays training efforts can be measured to assess how close they become to replicating a game. "He's not trying to reinvent the wheel," Grimes said about Neeld's response to the loss. Jones has no doubt as to the direction in which the Demons need to proceed. "We need 22 players to stand up and take responsibility for their own individual performance," Jones said. The successes must be highlighted, however small. Hope and optimism can be found even in the darkest times. Viney, Jones and Hogan have offered that already this pre-season. Does it have the people or resources to achieve success again? Neeld is in the toughest position imaginable. He is a person with great experience, but no obvious successes at the highest level beyond four years as an assistant under Mick Malthouse in a premiership era. He can't point to results to quieten the more rabid voices. That's why he needs all the voices of substance backing him. That does not mean the president. It means Neil Craig taking a higher profile, asserting confidence in the Demons' path and outlining the challenges. Craig left the Crows in good enough shape to surge back up the ladder. He knows what good coaching looks like. David Misson has seen success at the Sydney Swans and St Kilda. Melbourne is a big challenge but his experience must be remembered when questions are raised about Neeld. Collingwood skipper Nick Maxwell, who was coached by Neeld at the Magpies, endorsed his former line coach again this week on radio. Part of the reason Chris Dawes joined Melbourne was the coaching group. Of course, the margin on Sundays was not the issue. There will be wide margins again this year. It was the manner in which it got wider. Without competitive spirit no game plan will work. With it, most game-plans are a chance. "You can have all the game-plans in the world and all the systems in the world and all the fitness in the world but if you don't go out with that competitive spirit, it all means nothing," Grimes said. "On the weekend…we didn't have 22 players compete with the urgency required," Jones said. If things are to change that must stop. There are models to follow. And it needs trusted people in positions of authority to carry them out.

It's easy to use strong words and huff and puff when things are going bad. It’s easy to say things like the solution is to sack everyone, belt the players etc. This is what was said though Daniher's era, then Baileys, now Neeld's....what’s the pattern? Getting rid of everyone involved hasn't fixed it in the past. It makes people feel better for a while, but it doesn't fix it. This club has a culture problem. This culture is in every act, every word, every interaction within the club. It isn't fixed by rotating people though it every 3-5 years. It breaks people down. 3 years ago James Frawley was, in my opinion, our best player. I reckon I could count on one hand the amount of times he was beaten in a one on one contest for the season. When his opponent did take a mark inside 50 and it was due to a lack of midfield pressure or another bloke not giving him a chop out (ie not really his fault), he was that dirty on himself. He hated anyone getting an inch on him. Fast forward to 10 minutes into round 1 2013, he’s jogging at the ball not giving a stuff that his opponent is hell bent on the ball. Now some people will automatically assign that act to something to do with the coach. For me it’s the culture getting him. It’s being around others that accept mediocrity, accept not putting in all you’ve got, and so on for so long it’s finally infiltrated him. Now Neeld seems to be on a path to rectifying this. He’s reversed training attitudes and weeded out some of the players who were most ‘sick’ with the culture in the space of a year. The next step is seeing this on the field.

Or he took them from an underperformed team under Gary AYRES to destroy us in one of his first games as coach in 2004 when we were sitting pretty in the Top 4. Took his team to consecutive prelims in 2005/06 where they went down to a very strong Meth Coast side and followed up with consecutive finals appearances where they went out to late goals kicked against them by Buddy (vs Hawks) & Jack Anthony (vs Pies)

Dont take this the wrong way or as me being another Dees fan who accepts mediocrity. I know we are on a long road to where we wish to be. While I would happily take a win, all I really want to see is effort, run followed by gut running, intensity, support your team mate and no shirking of any contests, everything looks after itself after that. This is what I expect from my team for the next 21 games

Any chance we can lose most of the last decade?

I just loved watching Brent Grgic play, almost switched to Geelong when he was traded there.

Plodder?! No other team in the entire competition would think that of Jack Trengove.

Apart from a couple of cheap shots an excellent article, and it puts the Footy Dept rightly as the forward driver

Not bitching and moaning Just constructive criticism.

The universe has righted itself and removed Range Rovers comments

[Posted this link earlier only to have it wiped by the data problem. Apologies if it's buried in some other post.] A great article up there with the likes of Martin Flanagan's pieces. http://inside.org.au/haunted-by-demons/

IN: Run, Spread, Discipline, Desperation, Aggression, Confidence, Grand Old Flag, Jack and Jimmy celebrating their first win OUT: Caveman look-a-likes, training cone impersonations, half efforts, Demonland hysteria McDonald is a great inclusion. Also happy to see Terlich dubut and it will be interesting to see how Trengove goes with a limited Prep. Davey as the sub would be my guess. I'm surprised to see him back. I think Jetta has been stiff two weeks in a row now. If Watts could take a bigger body we could drop Gillies and bring in Jetta and the team looks far more balanced. I would have actually kept Pedersen and dropped Gillies and played Sellar back but that's just me. And I don't think we should forget how huge the appearance of Clark's name in the team is. What odds when he was being carried from the ground 4 days ago? His health is very very important.

it's comforting to know that after a performance that was completely cowardly, inept and lazy we have welcomed back Aaron Davey. That should fix everything Gillies is the worst player to wear red and blue in a long time and that is saying something. Pederson auto-dropped for disgracing the club. Dawes still nowhere to be seen, Rodan dropped. Byrnes hardly sighted last week. Great job on the recruiting Neeldy.

Dropping rodan is a mistake, trengove is slow and underdone, jetta should have come in IMO

LOSING BRUCE was not losing a leader. He wasn't a leaders bootlace. We got hammered plenty of times with him in the side on not contributing. Miller off field maybe but not on

I knew all along that he had a calf on both legs. The problem was the problem he had with one of them. Not advertised widely for public consumption but we all knew that something was amiss.

The no's have it.

The many here will have heard this before. I arrived on a boat later Dec 1964. I turn up at scool the following Feb as a young 5yo. 1st question....whats ya name pommy ?? This one i knew from even my limited years on this earth. 2nd question. Who'd ya follow ??? Huh.... You know what footy team ?? Wtf ( or eqivalent for 5yo ) Ummm, thinking as quick as possible . Now the process went along lines of : We live in Melbourne and im guessing theres a team called Melbourne !! I have no idea of the teams status; hell i didnt even know what Footy was. I answer faux confidently MELBOURNE . The rest is history . A really crappy one

You're just happy the posts from yesterday are gone, since I comprehensively destroyed your spineless arguments. I'm happy for this thread to stay up too, RR. And I'm happy for some logical and deserved criticism of Schwab. No skin off my nose. But so far, you're blindly clutching at straws.

Check out his draft combine stats. Then see how quick he is.

A thought just struck (does not happen often). For a short time last night I put up a far less sophisticated and athletic avatar - perhaps that is what caused the meltdown

I thought he was pretty good to 'old dee', he could of hammered us but didn't. ...and unfortunately a lot of things he has been saying may well be on the mark.

Yep I do have deep-seated problems, the fact I love and support a football club that continually lets me down and proves time and again it still has not fully caught up with the modern professional game. Keep deflecting though, you're failure and complete inability to address any of the specific objective points raised speaks volumes to the validity of your arguments. I suspect that is your aim though so that all salient points in the thread get lost amongst your drivel. No worry though the facts speak for themselves and I'll keep reposting Schwab's "achievements" so that all the normal people on here can evaluate the facts for themselves. By the way I'm one of those 30k you talk about, 24th consecutive year and a premium member and just signed up my 2 week old son. Love hearing more new members signing up - thats the point of our criticism, we want to see the club get better and the club is more important than individuals, even the CEO.

This is utter rubbish. Please provide evidence that he is "on light or restricted duties." This is a fabrication. Also that he is hiding. I wouldn't expect him to make knee-jerk reactionary announcements about onfield performance after 1 loss. Would you really?

Again, who do you want commenting on the Footy, Cam Schwab or Mark Neeld, Cam Schwab did it a couple of years ago and was howled down...no win situation.....when the 3rd sponsor was announced, Cam Schwab did it .....his job As for Cam's personality and the "blanking", I have experienced the same thing, and like Robbie F I am instantly recognisable, but myself and my partner have discussed this a couple of times, part is his personality, but he also knows the supporters he can rely on, ie from reading Robbie F and myself, he needs to keep working on others who may be wavering, or networking with somebody he can convince to get on board, this may appear to be blanking I tend to take it as acknowledgment of my support. In the office last night ringing around, Cam Schwab popped in about 7pm just as he was leaving work, and said thank you to the volunteers, didn't individualise but acknowledged

No stress, Andy. We really only just lost more of the same. Yep. That's really on topic.

Says you... Who has NFI what role he was asked to play, and what KPIs he was being judged on to assess his readiness to return to AFL level. It never ceases to amaze me the ignorance & naivety some posters display...

Is he good with sponsorship though? We lost Hankook, failed to get Mission Foods (may have been before him?), Kaspersky was recruited by a supporter, Energy Watch you can kind of forgive but it shows we didn't do our homework, Webjet was also got on the back of a supporter from memory, he kept selling us this "China connection" that never eventuated, as far as I'm aware we're still some minor sponsors down this year etc It just seems the longer this goes the more it seems we've been sold snake oil. I don't have anything personal against the guy as I don't know him - what I do know is I love the club and the guy doesn't seem to have the ability to lead us out of the mire. No doubt there are some positives to his resume but I feel they are far outweighed by the negatives. I would love nothing more than for him and the club to be successful but I just don't see it that way. I don't think we should slash and burn after round 1 but for me this game was the critical mass that proved to me we need new leadership at the club and this needs to be addressed later in the year. The coaches and players need to be addressed as well but the admin of the club seems to have failed us badly.

(Sorry, didn't want to clog up the page with more quoting of Robbie's lengthy post) I've stood up for Schwab for a long time as no one has been able to provide me with facts that would make me change my mind, but even I have to admit this shakes my belief considerably. I'm not a blind supporter of our current board/admin, I like Don, from what is known publicly it seemed Schwab had done a decent job, and you're stories make me very concerned. It is clear from the way you write you have no anti-Schwab agenda (unlike many here), but have been hurt considerably by him and also CC. This flies in the face of the impression I had of these guys, CS as a professional administrator and CC as an all round "good bloke" of the MFC. I am truly sorry for how you've been treated, particularly as one who can't afford to give as much as you clearly have, and I thank you for helping to keep the club we all love alive. I'd be interested to know the stats relating to the FH's and how many have been lost due to poor treatment/recognition. I still believe Schwab has done good for the club overall, but the basis of building your business is building relationships and from your experience that sounds like a weakness of the current admin.

In any organisation the CEO is ultimately responsible for the results, however the CEO employs a bunch of experts to do stuff to get those results (subject matter experts or SMEs). Neeld has the role of number one SME here. Thus it is his job to deliver said results including developing a winning game plan and ensuring players are able to implement said game plan. If there is a problem with culture, meddling CEOs, poor support, over complicated or incorrect strategy; or crappy/unmotivated/unhappy players it is his job to fix it. So regardless of anything, Sunday's performance is on his shoulders entirely and those looking to blame CEOs and boards are clutching at straws I'm afraid. Unless the CEO is too involved in which case he has to go. But how are we poor fans to know what really happens? If Schawb is so involved he affects player performance then we may be the worst run organisation in the world.

If the Club was $10M in debt, we had no sponsors, we didn't make a profit last year, the spending on the footy dept had decreased for the last five years, etc etc then I would look at getting rid of the CEO, he didn't play on Sunday as far as I can recall.......if you are looking for scapegoats look at the players