Garry Lyon is to blame!

[bjgc 0]

He picked the woeful coach ahead of a legend in Sheedy. The players are not playing for him. Bailey refused to get rid of the [censored] in Yze, Green and Miller. He refused to pick up any kid with pace and traded Johnstone for the worst possible result a kid with a bad back. GARRY STAY THE [censored] AWAY FROM THE CLUB BEFORE YOU KILL IT.

Gardiner has had his time, he refuses to put the club first and we desperately need a president that does just that. Time to go Gardiner.

If Bailey wants any credibility he must drop Green and McLean.

McLean has to get his finger out of his ass and get superfit he can't shrug taggers and until he can he will always be a disappointment.

He better start getting rid of brain dead idiots like Carroll, Wheatley and Miller get Rivers back into the side and start developing Martin.

[Jonesy is the next captain 0]

I agree with you on some points. Bad decision making BAD BAD decision making at the top of the club. However its not one person. I think we shouldve stuck with ND, it was not this bad under him. Travis Johnstone was a BAD BAD BAD decision, all the people that think it was good you are kidding yourselves cos ho-hum who was best on ground last night? Carroll played good for the first half, if we drop him we have no backline.

McLean was rubbish I agree but so was everyone. I would pass Jones, Davey & Carroll for today and that is it. The rest need were a disgrace. Worst game I have seen in 20 years.

More BAD decision making playing Bruce & Miller on the backline and Neitz at Centre Half Forward, he cant run Bailey!

[sutti 0]

Are you a fool or what? You can't blame Gary Lion for what happens on the field. Get real.

[kozi 0]

get real...

it isn't the coaches fault..

WE DONT HAVE THE CATTLE!!

if players consistently dont hit targets and dont do the team things...you will always lose!!!!!

[Jaded No More 68,915]

Sack the coach, go on.

It is clearly his fault that of the 44 players he inherited, 42 are crap.

Give me a break, this is the downfall we had to have. We could have kept covering up the cracks for 2-3 years with Daniher, but then what? We NEVER would have won a flag, and we would have continued to be a mediocre side that achieves nothing more than one finals appearance each season.

Short term pain for long term gain.

[Geddy Lee 582]

And remember it isn't Craig Cameron's fault, he was rated 2nd best on some unofficial website or something so it can't be him.

Guys, everyone is to blame, we're a rabble atm in all departments.

[Geddy Lee 582]

Sack the coach, go on.

It is clearly his fault that of the 44 players he inherited, 42 are crap.

Give me a break, this is the downfall we had to have. We could have kept covering up the cracks for 2-3 years with Daniher, but then what? We NEVER would have won a flag, and we would have continued to be a mediocre side that achieves nothing more than one finals appearance each season.

Short term pain for long term gain.

Who's the other one who isn't crap?

[Jaded No More 68,915]

Who's the other one who isn't crap?

Ummm... I'm going Jones and Morton.... too early?

I can't believe people are blaming the coach. We haven't been a decent side for over a year now. How come the new guy gets all the blame?

What about the people who were in charge for 10 years and gave us the list we have today?

Leigh Matthews couldn't get a win out of us at the moment.

[demonique 314]

Sack the coach, go on.

It is clearly his fault that of the 44 players he inherited, 42 are crap.

Give me a break, this is the downfall we had to have. We could have kept covering up the cracks for 2-3 years with Daniher, but then what? We NEVER would have won a flag, and we would have continued to be a mediocre side that achieves nothing more than one finals appearance each season.

Short term pain for long term gain.

I think it is going to be long term pain!

[warren dean 193]

He picked the woeful coach ahead of a legend in Sheedy. The players are not playing for him. Bailey refused to get rid of the [censored] in Yze, Green and Miller. He refused to pick up any kid with pace and traded Johnstone for the worst possible result a kid with a bad back. GARRY STAY THE [censored] AWAY FROM THE CLUB BEFORE YOU KILL IT.

Gardiner has had his time, he refuses to put the club first and we desperately need a president that does just that. Time to go Gardiner.

If Bailey wants any credibility he must drop Green and McLean.

McLean has to get his finger out of his ass and get superfit he can't shrug taggers and until he can he will always be a disappointment.

He better start getting rid of brain dead idiots like Carroll, Wheatley and Miller get Rivers back into the side and start developing Martin.

I too would have loved to have seen Sheeds at the Club, but it wasn't to be! The best we can do now is all (players, admin, supporters and members) unite behind Bailey. The fact is, since 1980 we have had only 4 coaches (except for very small roles played by Riley and Hutchison). Barassi did 5 years, Northey 7, Balme 5 and Daniher 10. So by my reckoning, Bailey will be in the job for a few more years yet. I believe he has a three year contract which the club won't break-they can't afford to. Give him some time and lets see where we are by mid year. Improvement won't necessarily be measured by wins but I'm certain there will be some headway made.

[mfcrox 143]

How about we blame the players... I was at the game and it was a disgraceful effort. Here is a few of the issues I noticed:

- our players after half-time did not put any defensive pressure on when the Bulldogs were running the ball our of our forward line or through the middle... prior to half-time, we were okay in this area.

- our zone set-up for us kicking out has merit, because it works for other clubs... but it will not work unless people burst free from this zone, and sprint into open space that was created. There is no point having all this open space on the flanks if the players are just going to jog half-pace into it. SPRINT INTO IT... if you get a 5metre break on your opponent, the bloke kicking out should be able to hit you lace out... if not, then the wrong person is kicking out!

- on the two or three occasions we ran the ball up the middle today, we didn't look to bad at all... and hit Robertson and Neitz on the chest from these set-ups. Why do we revert to playing on the wings when going up the middle was a successful ploy? Okay, if it gets turned over whilst you have run it up the middle, you will get hurt more on the rebound... but that is a defensive mind-frame. Back yourself in... run it up the middle! It worked on most occasions that we did it today. One play stood out for me, Bruce got the ball (either from a mark or free-kick) and immediately looked to the wing for a target... and completely missed 3 blokes in the guts who had as much chance of winning the ball as the blokes on the wing did... bloody back your team-mates in!!!

I was so frustrated watching today... seriously!!! There was NO EFFORT after half-time, and it doesn't matter who is on your board, or who is in the coaching box, or who is taping the ankles in the room... IF THE PLAYERS DO NOT PUT IN EFFORT, YOU WILL NEVER WIN!!!

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[Yencks 8]

I agree with you on some points. Bad decision making BAD BAD decision making at the top of the club. However its not one person. I think we shouldve stuck with ND, it was not this bad under him. Travis Johnstone was a BAD BAD BAD decision, all the people that think it was good you are kidding yourselves cos ho-hum who was best on ground last night? Carroll played good for the first half, if we drop him we have no backline.

McLean was rubbish I agree but so was everyone. I would pass Jones, Davey & Carroll for today and that is it. The rest need were a disgrace. Worst game I have seen in 20 years.

More BAD decision making playing Bruce & Miller on the backline and Neitz at Centre Half Forward, he cant run Bailey!

The players had a vote on travis johnstone and only one player voted for him to stay...they then in respect for TJ tried to get him to a victorian club and NOT ONE had ANY interest at all...there is something not right there

[Go the Biff 3,420]

How about we blame the players... I was at the game and it was a disgraceful effort. Here is a few of the issues I noticed:

- our players after half-time did not put any defensive pressure on when the Bulldogs were running the ball our of our forward line or through the middle... prior to half-time, we were okay in this area.

- our zone set-up for us kicking out has merit, because it works for other clubs... but it will not work unless people burst free from this zone, and sprint into open space that was created. There is no point having all this open space on the flanks if the players are just going to jog half-pace into it. SPRINT INTO IT... if you get a 5metre break on your opponent, the bloke kicking out should be able to hit you lace out... if not, then the wrong person is kicking out!

- on the two or three occasions we ran the ball up the middle today, we didn't look to bad at all... and hit Robertson and Neitz on the chest from these set-ups. Why do we revert to playing on the wings when going up the middle was a successful ploy? Okay, if it gets turned over whilst you have run it up the middle, you will get hurt more on the rebound... but that is a defensive mind-frame. Back yourself in... run it up the middle! It worked on most occasions that we did it today. One play stood out for me, Bruce got the ball (either from a mark or free-kick) and immediately looked to the wing for a target... and completely missed 3 blokes in the guts who had as much chance of winning the ball as the blokes on the wing did... bloody back your team-mates in!!!

I was so frustrated watching today... seriously!!! There was NO EFFORT after half-time, and it doesn't matter who is on your board, or who is in the coaching box, or who is taping the ankles in the room... IF THE PLAYERS DO NOT PUT IN EFFORT, YOU WILL NEVER WIN!!!

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Although your username sounds familiar I note a post count of 1. That is a pretty useful first post. Welcome.

[DEE32 98]

If we want to sack someone why dont we look towards the Psychologists of the club, It seems to be between the ears is the problem for most.

[mfcrox 143]

Although your username sounds familiar I note a post count of 1. That is a pretty useful first post. Welcome.

Never posted on here before (just bigfooty... apologies if that is a banned word on here)... but I have been a massive reader of this website for well over a year now though. Thanks mate

[kramer 0]

Sack the coach, go on.

It is clearly his fault that of the 44 players he inherited, 42 are crap.

Give me a break, this is the downfall we had to have. We could have kept covering up the cracks for 2-3 years with Daniher, but then what? We NEVER would have won a flag, and we would have continued to be a mediocre side that achieves nothing more than one finals appearance each season.

Short term pain for long term gain.

Just interested, who are the 2 that aren't?

[Supreme_Demon 3,845]

Garry Lyon isn't to blame. He's been trying to HELP the MFC! :angry:

The poor bloke is going to cop it big time on "The Footy Show" this week!

If anybody is to blame its the players! They don't LISTEN to what the coach tells them and have a very poor attitude!

They need to starting shaping up and WINNING some games!

Otherwise, there will be the AFL record for the most number of player delisted from a club (Melbourne) in a season, at the end of this year! <_<

[Rogue 585]

He picked the woeful coach ahead of a legend in Sheedy.

As did most of the other panelists, it seems.

I also think that Bailey was a good choice, and Sheeds wrote a nice column the other day on how Bailey had what it takes to Coach.

If Bailey wants any credibility he must drop Green and McLean.

McLean has to get his finger out of his ass and get superfit he can't shrug taggers and until he can he will always be a disappointment.

He better start getting rid of brain dead idiots like Carroll, Wheatley and Miller get Rivers back into the side and start developing Martin.

Saying we should drop X, Y, and Z is fine, but you need to replace them with better players in order to get a better result. I'm sure Rivers will be back in the side when fit, and the Club are no doubt developing Martin (and the other 40-odd players on the list).

I agree with you on some points. Bad decision making BAD BAD decision making at the top of the club. However its not one person. I think we shouldve stuck with ND, it was not this bad under him. Travis Johnstone was a BAD BAD BAD decision, all the people that think it was good you are kidding yourselves cos ho-hum who was best on ground last night?

It was a good decision. I'm not kidding anyone.

If anybody is to blame its the players!

...and the guy that got them there / kept them there / coached them for x number of years.

Sack the coach, go on.

It is clearly his fault that of the 44 players he inherited, 42 are crap.

Give me a break [......]

No, give me a break. You're normally not prone to hyperbole, but that is ridiculous.

[dazzledavey36 54,899]

oh how times have changed B)

[stevethemanjordan 6,952]

- our zone set-up for us kicking out has merit, because it works for other clubs... but it will not work unless people burst free from this zone, and sprint into open space that was created. There is no point having all this open space on the flanks if the players are just going to jog half-pace into it. SPRINT INTO IT... if you get a 5metre break on your opponent, the bloke kicking out should be able to hit you lace out... if not, then the wrong person is kicking out!

We still have problems with this..

[Jaded No More 68,915]

Because we needed further proof that people talk complete shite on here

Good call by me about Morton btw B)

[praha 11,240]

oh how times have changed B)

Maybe would have been better to bump this crap thread when we're playing finals football?

[mfcrox 143]

We still have problems with this..

It frustrated me then... and it still frustrates me now. We have improved, but we still have a long way to go. Against Sydney we did this perfectly... hopefully we can get it to happen 'perfectly' on a more consistant basis from 2011 onwards

Edited August 21, 2010 by mfcrox

[beelzebub 23,366]

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