7 hours ago, Coolx2 said:

We should have played Kentfield or play May as a F.F , we had nothing to lose. Paying overs for Picket is a joke , he could suffer from a mental or physical health injury early and we still have to pay. Yes I know anyone could get injured. For his huge way I would expect him to kick 3 goals per week. His role is a midfielder (not in the elite class ) and a small forward who does not kick a load of goals.

Gawn is an elite tap ruckman who the opposition constantly feeds off . He seldom kicks goals . We have lots of players who have gone backwards over the past years.

Who goes Fritsch (for currency), the Bombers will take him , Oliver ,Sparrow ,Jefferson (given opportunities ) , Lever , May , Fullarton and perhaps Laurie.

In 2 years time Pickett will cry and will be screaming about going home cause the new nom is 2 mill and hes only getting 1.6mill

On 22/08/2025 at 17:59, Demonsone said:

Until supporters/members stop accepting these loses “ it was only 6 points “ we will never improve & it’s mediocrity.. Max said it in a post prob around 12 games we were in position to win and we don’t know how to win!

Yeah effort was there that should be non negotiable and standard we have 15 or so premiership players, we are not in rebuild , we have exp 200 game players, enough is enough

EXACTLY, Too many around here accept mediocrity, Caaaryyst if I was coach.....

8 hours ago, Coolx2 said:

We should have played Kentfield or play May as a F.F , we had nothing to lose. Paying overs for Picket is a joke , he could suffer from a mental or physical health injury early and we still have to pay. Yes I know anyone could get injured. For his huge way I would expect him to kick 3 goals per week. His role is a midfielder (not in the elite class ) and a small forward who does not kick a load of goals.

Gawn is an elite tap ruckman who the opposition constantly feeds off . He seldom kicks goals . We have lots of players who have gone backwards over the past years.

Who goes Fritsch (for currency), the Bombers will take him , Oliver ,Sparrow ,Jefferson (given opportunities ) , Lever , May , Fullarton and perhaps Laurie.

Um JEFFO, LAURIE and others contracted next year

This game we just played. It was played to our template for this year. Except that we started a little better.

Play well in the third quarter and put ourselves in a winning position .

Come the fourth , roll over, and get run over. Not all players perhaps but enough to lose.

It’s fitness to keep running and mental fitness to think you can win.

Bring in the new regime ! It needed to happen. Nothing was changing for too long.

11 hours ago, At the break of Gawn said:

Probably already mentioned but Pendles taking the initiative to do the kick outs and McReery coming back on basically won them the game.

As Chaplin talked about it's just little moments and decisions like that which can make all the difference.

It sounds funny to say this, but if a 37 year old, who has played over 400 games, goes off injured earlier in the game, we win.

The guy is a freak.

11 hours ago, At the break of Gawn said:

Probably already mentioned but Pendles taking the initiative to do the kick outs and McReery coming back on basically won them the game.

As Chaplin talked about it's just little moments and decisions like that which can make all the difference.

Pendles is a legend. That flukey azz bounce goal by Ned Long from the boundary gave them a spark they desperately needed I feel. I thought that was the moment that got their backs up.

But we should’ve had someone in the goal square.

Edited Saturday at 22:442 days by Dee Zephyr

14 hours ago, Coolx2 said:

Who goes Fritsch (for currency), the Bombers will take him , Oliver ,Sparrow ,Jefferson (given opportunities ) , Lever , May , Fullarton and perhaps Laurie.

This is a great idea. It guarantees us bottom 5 position in the ladder for at least the next 3 years. But you forgot to mention - as most posters have suggested - that we get rid of Tracc too.

5 hours ago, picket fence said:

EXACTLY, Too many around here accept mediocrity, Caaaryyst if I was coach.....

......We would play Jeffo in every position in the ground and lose each week by 100 points.

If anyone gets the chance too, have a watch of the post game video of Chaplin and then Gawn talking after the game. Home in on Steven May and let me know what you think. Especially when Max is talking.

If a player is out of contact you may end up with no trade picks unless the out of contract player decides that. LJ was out of contract however he decided we should get some form of compensation from Freo. Leigh Mathews wasn't paid over a million dollars per year.

6 minutes ago, Coolx2 said:

If a player is out of contact you may end up with no trade picks unless the out of contract player decides that. LJ was out of contract however he decided we should get some form of compensation from Freo. Leigh Mathews wasn't paid over a million dollars per year.

How many current players in the AFL last 10 years average over 3 goals per game?

45 minutes ago, DEE32 said:

If anyone gets the chance too, have a watch of the post game video of Chaplin and then Gawn talking after the game. Home in on Steven May and let me know what you think. Especially when Max is talking.

I noticed that too

32 minutes ago, D4Life said:

How many current players in the AFL last 10 years average over 3 goals per game?

Coolx2 this year Jeremy Cameron is the one player in the league to kick 3 goals per year! He is a forward!

Kossie is averaging 2 per game, the only mid forward to do so! 15 players have kicked more goals than Kossie this year, all permanent forwards!

Kossie is a star and well worth the money being paid. Look at the games Demons won and his influence!

On 22/08/2025 at 23:50, Dr. Gonzo said:

Thank God for Gawn, he is an absolute beast. His ruckwork isn't great but his around the ground work is phenomenal. The effort he puts in should shame some of our other players.

Langford was good.

Rivers had a good second half after looking all at sea in the middle to start with. Imagine if he'd been given a whole season to develop as a mid....

This team is so frustrating to watch, they do so much right but just shoot themselves in the foot again and again. At once stage it seriously felt like we were watching a team of special eds running around out there not professional athletes.

@binman there was a definite change to our ball movement that I noticed tonight (although the execution was diabolical) with the play on mantra, taking the shorter options etc. I'll admit this is one I likely got wrong as it's unlikely they just flicked a switch in the final game and have probably been working on it all season. My confirmation bias was probably noticing the long down the line/around the boundary kicks more than the alternative methods although I think we definitely tried the faster ball movement more frequently tonight. Short of going back and watching games from earlier this season again (which I'd rather stick hot pokers in my eye than do) it would be difficult to analyse so I'll admit Goodwin was trying to implement changes to the ball movement. I don't think that mitigates the other faults Goodwin had but on this one happy to say I was wrong.

As ive noted before, personally I would have stuck fat with goody if the choice were mine.

But, iassuming they have a new coach (*buckley*) 90% locked in, i also see the logic of some of the arguments for going another direction, in particular a reset and the benefit of a new voice.

For me the last quarter highlighted the latter point. One of the challenges of implementing a new method is that method becoming instinctive.

We played good transition footy for big chunks of the match, but under pressure in the last quarter many of our senior players reverted to elements of our previous method, in particular going for territory and kicking it long to a contest, which would have ok if we were winning them bur we weren't.

Conversely, the pies leant into their transtion method.

A reset and a new voice might help players, particularly senior players break that tendency to revert to the down the line, territory-based method when under pressure.

A reset also creates the opportunity for the team, and individual players to change the mindset from what appears to be a fear of losing.

The last quarter also exposed issues we have had all season - poor fitness, poor decision making, poor skills, panicking (the latter 4 impacted by the first) and outside of koz not having a gun who impacts the scoreboard when a clutch goal is needed and/or burst of sustained excellence that creates goals like Ed Richards against us (though, gee Langford wasnt far away from doing so - remarkably, given it was our final game of a long season, was our highest rated player).

On our performance, as entertaining as it was in parts, i rgought it was pretty average - we were very lucky the pies were not accurate in the first quarter. I actually thought our performance was better last week against the Hawks, including in the first quarter.

Both team's pressure was woeful all game and the pies defence, which was pushing up ridiculously high, and all team defence was pathetic.

If, as looks likely, the pies finish top 4 they will be one of the weakest top 4 teams in recent memory.

They'll almost certainly play the crows in Adelaide week one and get hammered and I reckon any team they then meet will be a better team (with the possible exception of freo if by some miracle they, one, make finals and two make the second week of finals)

Edited Sunday at 03:202 days by binman

48 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

I noticed that too

Could be anything. For all we know he might have been saying, "this is up to us"

14 hours ago, Young Angus said:

Would not let Fritsch go! Fullerton yes, Sparrow maybe, Jeffo def not but Laurie maybe but who knows.

Fritta is definitely a keeper. Sparrow definitely not. Fullerton and Laurie goodbye but yep let's give Jeffo a chance. I mean Jvrs played over fifty games.

Interesting the criticisms of May, Salem and Petracca scattered through this thread.

I know the AF score isn't the be all, end all but the results are:

• 115 - Gawn,

• 106 - May,

• 104 - Petracca

• 103 - Naicos

• 101 - Oliver

• 100 - Salem

Methinks too many posters let their emotions override their objectivity when assessing our players.

I will be very surprised if Petracca isn't in the top 3 in the BnF and Salem in the 5 - 10 range. May hasn't played enough games to be highly ranked.

Yet people want them shipped out!

As an aside, I just heard this:

What do Collingwood supporters and sperm have in common?

Both have a one in 3 million chance of becoming a human being.

Putting aside the annoyance of losing on Friday evening, the loss highlights our deficiencies

And hopefully, the club learns from the loss

The new coach would have seen those deficiencies as well

Our lack of a killer instinct in being able to finish off teams stands out and has done for a few seasons now

We keep going into cruise mode. The last quarter should have mirrored our 3rd quarter.

Good teams go on with it and bury the opposition

And the whole list needs a crash-course in how to deliver a 15-35 metre pass by foot. It can't be that hard

Making position ties in with those foot passes so we're going to have to get fitter as well

The game has always been a form of keepings-off and the best sides do it very well

We, on the other hand, often look like novices in that area (long bombs ingrained)

From 60-70 metres out from goal we need to dramatically change how we enter the forward line. Starts from further afield in terms of moving the ball quickly to that 60-70 metre area from goal

Slow movement effectively allows the opposition to flood back

So a big turnaround is required so we'll need to look at the whole FD, not just the head coach

So fitness, foot skills, game style and a killer instinct is lacking. We've got a lot of work ahead

3 minutes ago, Macca said:

From 60-70 metres out from goal we need to dramatically change how we enter the forward line. Starts from further afield in terms of moving the ball quickly to that 60-70 metre area from goal

Horse highlighted this earlier in the season. Our last quarter in particular we were kicking it from too far out allowing the defense time to collapse and rebound easily. Old habits and all that stuff.

A bit frustrating to watch but also could be rectified with some good systems by the new coach.

10 minutes ago, Macca said:

Putting aside the annoyance of losing on Friday evening, the loss highlights our deficiencies

And hopefully, the club learns from the loss

The new coach would have seen those deficiencies as well

Our lack of a killer instinct in being able to finish off teams stands out and has done for a few seasons now

We keep going into cruise mode. The last quarter should have mirrored our 3rd quarter.

Good teams go on with it and bury the opposition

And the whole list needs a crash-course in how to deliver a 15-35 metre pass by foot. It can't be that hard

Making position ties in with those foot passes so we're going to have to get fitter as well

The game has always been a form of keepings-off and the best sides do it very well

We, on the other hand, often look like novices in that area (long bombs ingrained)

From 60-70 metres out from goal we need to dramatically change how we enter the forward line. Starts from further afield in terms of moving the ball quickly to that 60-70 metre area from goal

Slow movement effectively allows the opposition to flood back

So a big turnaround is required so we'll need to look at the whole FD, not just the head coach

So fitness, foot skills, game style and a killer instinct is lacking. We've got a lot of work ahead

This won't be a popular idea as it will seem far too rah rah rah for some.

I would be engaging some advice from Military Trainers. They are very well versed in what motivates and drives people. They also understand its not about training people to do "X" but its as much about showing people to reach beyond and attain "Y" .

Qualities such as Resilience, Fortitude, Rapid and Lateral thinking will never go astray. Ideas about different forms of leadership, about self evaluation and development and I could go on.

A sporting field , a combative sport , requiring both team and individual efforts... there are parallels.

We seem very hesitant as a group.

The idea of 'learnings' .. hmmm 🤔

Yes still much to learn... Someone suggested learning to win.... that's always a good one 👍

7 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

This won't be a popular idea as it will seem far too rah rah rah for some.

I would be engaging some advice from Military Trainers. They are very well versed in what motivates and drives people. They also understand its not about training people to do "X" but its as much about showing people to reach beyond and attain "Y" .

Qualities such as Resilience, Fortitude, Rapid and Lateral thinking will never go astray. Ideas about different forms of leadership, about self evaluation and development and I could go on.

A sporting field , a combative sport , requiring both team and individual efforts... there are parallels.

We seem very hesitant as a group.

The idea of 'learnings' .. hmmm 🤔

Yes still much to learn... Someone suggested learning to win.... that's always a good one 👍

Yeah, there's that but I reckon the main issue are our skills by foot ... if we were constantly hitting up targets and making position for those disposing of the ball, then everything else can fall into place

One thing we don't do is seeing players sprinting downfield into space in the forward line to receive those would-be passes

But in order for that to work requires fast ball movement and corridor use as well as trusting our skills

Instead of that we bomb it long and then turn it over ad nauseum. It's actually quite amueterish to watch

It's like our players are trying their best to excel in the metres gained area

We're inefficient with our ball movement and until we become efficient, we're going to struggle

Using that extra handpass (forward) instead of booting it long is another area where we are deficient. But again, playing that style requires extra running to position

We give it off and then jog (instead of sprinting to position)

Edited Sunday at 02:372 days by Macca

Typical game, lots with poor skills and decision making. Still some good signs across the team so not all is lost. Bring on the new coach and drive in 2026.

Edit: Look how good the girls are drilled and play.

Edited Sunday at 02:412 days by darkhorse72

1 hour ago, Neil Crompton said:

As an aside, I just heard this:

What do Collingwood supporters and sperm have in common?

Both have a one in 3 million chance of becoming a human being.

I was next to a bloke who was hugging and high fiving me in the third quater when Melbourne were coming. I just assumed he was a fellow Melbourne supporter. Then in the last quater he told he doesn't even barrack for Melbourne he just [censored] hates Collingwood

Ironically I felt it was more praiseworthy and realistic in the aftermath that we actually only lost by a goal than if we’d won