1 hour ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Get on the phone to Matty Lloyd tonight FFS!!! Specialist goalkicking coach, get it done.

AFLPA limit training time is what I’ve heard. The players would have to do it on their own accord and own money.

2 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Talking about psychologists Trac desperately needs one so he can realise going back with the flight for a mark isn't a death sentence. He had a freak accident last year, it is almost zero chance something like that will ever happen again.

Reminds me of how Stuart Broad completely regressed as a batsman after he took a bouncer to the head. He was a handy tail end bat but then always looked scared at the crease after he got hit.

Sometimes traumatic injuries leave mental scars that never heal. Even though you're right and a similar injury may never happen to Trac again, he might never have it in him to go back with the flight.

As to our goal kicking though, i think its entirely a mental battle at this point. Chocco can do all the coaching work he wants but i think we need to be more mentally resilient in front of goal.

Edited June 15Jun 15 by Tom Dyson

Since 2000, the most inaccurate side has been Gold Coast in 2018. They kicked 181.222 for a percentage of 44.9%

We are currently 152.179 for a percentage of 45.9%. A few more gross performances in front of goal and we WILL be the most inaccurate side this century so far.

5 minutes ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

Since 2000, the most inaccurate side has been Gold Coast in 2018. They kicked 181.222 for a percentage of 44.9%

We are currently 152.179 for a percentage of 45.9%. A few more gross performances in front of goal and we WILL be the most inaccurate side this century so far.

But that stat kind of sugar coats on our ineptitude to convert goals.

It would be more helpful to check our numbers per inside 50 entries.

Don't be fooled by the behinds/goals ratio.

For example the goal per inside 50 entry average in the AFL is around 24%. Meaning AFL teams get a goal for every 4 entries to their fwd 50.

I am pretty sure we are not anywhere near that.

13 hours ago, spirit of norm smith said:

I’m so so angry and frustrated. So so disappointed.

100% heart and effort.

At full strength.

But …

We lose games We beat ourselves We miss chance after chance

We are like a cricket team that cannot catch the ball

One of the most fundamental skills is being butchered by professional full time footballers

Goalkicking !!!

It’s a skill. Probably now the most important skill for the Melbourne footy club

Today’s 3rd quarter was the prime example The Dees had all the momentum Dees got within 5 points and had 3 goals in a row But had butchered opportunities to get in front

The misses … Gawn (hooked it again, 2.13 so far , and a miss from 25 metrs out), Gawn a running shot from 20 metrs out, Petty miss from 20 metres dead in front, Clarry left foot snap from 15 metre out (no score) , Trac a snap from 20 metre out (no score), Sparrow a miss from on the behind line that is a goal probably scored 85% of the time … such basic errors SIX chances … four behinds … no excuses … none !!! No breeze , no moisture !!!

(Sure Ports two goals were umpiring favourable to Rioli & Georgiades)

Zero scoreboard impact is DEMORALIZING for players and supporters It’s depressing !!

Port got in top and took their chances

What to do? @Demonland thats a 3 1/2 year question to Goodwin, Choco and all the professional coaches

Goalkicking … the ability to score is the most crucial part of our game

Add the atrocious goal kicking to the fact we gave up 2 x 50 metre penalty goals as well as a double goal . Given we fluffed a chance at the other end for them to sling shot it actually ended up being an 18 point play. Then add the 3 goals they got after the frikn siren. Too much sheer stupidity and [censored] standards running around this team.

Gawn, Petracca and Fritsch have all seemed to have gotten significantly worse. Not that Gawn and Trac were ever great but they'd generally be a 50/50 chance. This year they seem closer to 70/30. Fritsch used to never miss now he misses about half the time he goes for goal.

These three probably get between 5-10 shots between them every week.

54 minutes ago, KozzyCan said:

Gawn, Petracca and Fritsch have all seemed to have gotten significantly worse. Not that Gawn and Trac were ever great but they'd generally be a 50/50 chance. This year they seem closer to 70/30. Fritsch used to never miss now he misses about half the time he goes for goal.

These three probably get between 5-10 shots between them every week.

Most of our forward are regressing in the last 18 months.

JVR, Fritsch, Petty.

The only exception is Disco.

22 minutes ago, ElDiablo14 said:

Most of our forward are regressing in the last 18 months.

JVR, Fritsch, Petty.

The only exception is Disco.

It's an area of the ground we have never really shown any respect to or tried to fix. List management and coaches both to blame.

This Instagram Reel sums up the Dees Goal Kicking woes.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DK8i28tJloX/?igsh=MW5yMjBsbDh0cWUxdg==

On 15/06/2025 at 13:31, GS_1905 said:

AFLPA limit training time is what I’ve heard. The players would have to do it on their own accord and own money.

I'm sorry but they are earning enough to be able to say they'll take it on themselves to improve this fundamental part of the game.

12 hours ago, KozzyCan said:

It's an area of the ground we have never really shown any respect to or tried to fix.

You only have to look at the list of players we've brought in over the last couple of years to see that that's not true at all.

4 hours ago, bing181 said:

You only have to look at the list of players we've brought in over the last couple of years to see that that's not true at all.

Who are you talking about?

We have drafted midfielders and half backs and traded in players who couldn't get a game at their previous clubs. The only real forward we have brought in is an injury prone McAdam who was never that great to begin with.

5 hours ago, bing181 said:

You only have to look at the list of players we've brought in over the last couple of years to see that that's not true at all.

🤔

May I ask... draft or trade ?

Our drafting probably gets a pass ( tick ) . I'm struggling tbh to think of any trades that have particularly benefited us in recent times.

Who were you thinking of. Genuinely curious. Cheers

On 15/06/2025 at 21:58, Tom Dyson said:

Time for Greeny to roll up his sleeves and teach the lads how to kick for goal.

He was a pretty straight kick back in the day.

He was considered to be one of the best shots on goal in the entire competition at that time.

Edited June 16Jun 16 by hardtack

11 minutes ago, hardtack said:

He was considered to be one of the best shots on goal in the entire competition at that time.

Used an archaic kicking style.... think it was called the Drop Punt...

Was doing a bit of digging on accuracy (it's hard to find data) and 12.12 is the most common score in VFL / AFL history, which is consistent with the numbers below.

From a low of 38% when the game began, accuracy steadily improved over the decades before hitting its peak of 56% in 2000, which is about the time players became full-time professionals.

But things have declined since then, back to 51% in 2020, and as low as 49.1% last month (thanks to us, in part), which may or may not be related to things like fatigue and the much heavier workload of the modern player.

A few other numbers to mull over:

1987 - 1999: 52.4%

2000 - 2010: 53.7%

2011 - 2020: 52.8%

Edited June 17Jun 17 by Grapeviney

4 minutes ago, Grapeviney said:

Waa doing a bit of digging on accuracy (it's hard to find data) and 12.12 is the most common score in VFL / AFL history, which is consistent with the numbers below.

From a low of 38% when the game began, accuracy steadily improved over the decades before hitting its peak of 56% in 2000, which is about the time players became full-time professionals.

But things have declined since then, back to 51% in 2020, and as low as 49.1% last month (thanks to us, in part), which may or may not be related to things like fatigue and the much heavier workload of the modern player.

A few other numbers to mull over:

1987 - 1999: 52.4%

2000 - 2010: 53.7%

2011 - 2020: 52.8%

I’d love to see a graph alongside this for prevalence of injuries to see if there’s a correlation. If I’m not mistaken (I very well could be), forwards are given a set amount of practice shots to avoid fatigue/injury?

1 hour ago, beelzebub said:

Used an archaic kicking style.... think it was called the Drop Punt...

Talk about someone who used his natural hook to his advantage..

Left to right and straight through.

What a shock we are on the bottom.

Well done Chin,

but otherwise,

absolute disgrace.

Its not going to get any better with the current group unless we play Sestan/Langford at full forward and they miraculously turn into Leigh mathews

We are officially the worst kicking side in the comp.

Has cost us at least one more flag.

Love Choco and so do the boys but has he ultimately failed as kicking coach ?

5 hours ago, Demonland said:

It looks like our most accurate goal kicker is less accurate than the entire Geelong team average.

good to see trac working on his goal kicking via his ig over the break, seems like he is the only one who does