Will be fun to check how this goes during the year. It’s based on what’s on the ‘net. It seems to have thrown up some strange positions  

Predicted 2025 AFL Ladder - end of Home and Away

1. Brisbane Lions - Strong squad, expected to be a top contender.
2. Western Bulldogs - Talented list, pushing for the premiership.
3. Sydney Swans - Young talent stepping up, finals certainty.
4. Port Adelaide Power - Strong midfield, likely top-four finish.
5. GWS Giants - Competitive squad, consistent finals team.
6. Fremantle Dockers - On the rise with a solid young core.
7. Carlton Blues - Talented but inconsistent, should make finals.
8. Geelong Cats - Aging but still dangerous in September.

Just missing finals:

1. St Kilda Saints - Strong squad but may fall short.
2. Gold Coast Suns - Improving but not quite top-eight ready.
3. Essendon Bombers - Mid-table, still developing.
4. Collingwood Magpies - Slight decline after recent success.

Lower teams:

1. Melbourne Demons - Struggling with consistency.
2. Adelaide Crows - Rebuilding, not finals-ready.
3. North Melbourne Kangaroos - Young squad, still developing.
4. Richmond Tigers - Significant drop-off from previous years.
5. Hawthorn Hawks - Rebuilding phase continues.
6. West Coast Eagles - Expected to finish last, still struggling.

Edited February 25Feb 25 by Giles
Grammar

8 minutes ago, Giles said:

Will be fun to check how this goes during the year. It’s based on what’s on the ‘net. It seems to have thrown up some strange positions  

Predicted 2025 AFL Ladder

1. Brisbane Lions - Strong squad, expected to be a top contender.
2. Western Bulldogs - Talented list, pushing for the premiership.
3. Sydney Swans - Young talent stepping up, finals certainty.
4. Port Adelaide Power - Strong midfield, likely top-four finish.
5. GWS Giants - Competitive squad, consistent finals team.
6. Fremantle Dockers - On the rise with a solid young core.
7. Carlton Blues - Talented but inconsistent, should make finals.
8. Geelong Cats - Aging but still dangerous in September.

Just missing finals:

1. St Kilda Saints - Strong squad but may fall short.
2. Gold Coast Suns - Improving but not quite top-eight ready.
3. Essendon Bombers - Mid-table, still developing.
4. Collingwood Magpies - Slight decline after recent success.

Lower teams:

1. Melbourne Demons - Struggling with consistency.
2. Adelaide Crows - Rebuilding, not finals-ready.
3. North Melbourne Kangaroos - Young squad, still developing.
4. Richmond Tigers - Significant drop-off from previous years.
5. Hawthorn Hawks - Rebuilding phase continues.
6. West Coast Eagles - Expected to finish last, still struggling.

Straight out wrong by Ai. It has only 1 change to the final 8 from last year for a start.

Laughable process but will get the clicks . Like me foolishly

 

ChatGPT and other online AI often don't have up to date information or just collate and "extrapolate" from online articles.

Sometimes it even straight up makes up information.

I've tested it at times asking it to write a preview of the season or even a review of recent games. If it doesn't have the information sometimes it will provide false information rather than just say it can't due to lack of data.

Collingwood in 12th, Melbourne 13th and Hawthorn, and this is the craziest prediction, 17th!!🥸😳😵‍💫🤷🏼‍♂️  It appears to be using last year’s data and not taking into account training form, injuries, draftees, etc.

Edited February 25Feb 25 by hardtack

ask chatgtp to write about something youre highly knowledgeable about and see how it goes.

squiggle.com.au is a better measure but its currently based on the end of last season...

Edited February 25Feb 25 by biggestred

Check out this Dimwit 

Laughable

 

This is DeepSeek’s prediction. Which I do like a lot more than ChatGPT…

Predicting the final ladder for the Australian Football League (AFL) at the end of the 2025 home and away season is highly speculative, as it depends on numerous factors such as player form, injuries, team strategies, and other unpredictable elements. However, based on recent trends and historical performance, we can make an educated guess.

### Potential Top 8 Teams (in no particular order):
1. **Melbourne Demons** - Consistently strong in recent years with a solid core of players.
2. **Brisbane Lions** - Have been building a strong team and performing well in recent seasons.
3. **Geelong Cats** - Known for their resilience and ability to remain competitive.
4. **Sydney Swans** - A young and talented squad that has been improving steadily.
5. **Western Bulldogs** - Known for their dynamic play and strong midfield.
6. **Port Adelaide Power** - Have been consistent performers in the home and away seasons.
7. **Richmond Tigers** - Despite some aging stars, they have a history of strong performances.
8. **Carlton Blues** - Emerging as a strong contender with a mix of youth and experience.

### Middle of the Pack:
9. **Fremantle Dockers** - Show promise but need more consistency.
10. **GWS Giants** - Have the talent but need to convert it into consistent wins.
11. **St Kilda Saints** - Improving but may not have the depth to break into the top 8.
12. **Adelaide Crows** - Rebuilding phase, showing potential but not yet ready for top 8.

### Bottom Teams:
13. **Collingwood Magpies** - Struggling with consistency and player turnover.
14. **West Coast Eagles** - Aging list and struggling with form.
15. **Hawthorn Hawks** - Rebuilding phase, focusing on developing young talent.
16. **North Melbourne Kangaroos** - Also in a rebuilding phase, focusing on youth development.
17. **Gold Coast Suns** - Showing improvement but still lacking the depth to compete with top teams.
18. **Essendon Bombers** - Struggling with consistency and team cohesion.

### Final Thoughts:
The AFL is known for its unpredictability, and any team can rise or fall based on a variety of factors. The above prediction is based on current trends and historical performance, but the actual ladder could look quite different by the end of the 2025 season.

For the most accurate and up-to-date information, it's always best to follow the season closely and keep an eye on team performances and player developments.

Hmm. I expect Hawthorn to drop, but rebuilding? They almost made the prelims. I'm assuming the prediction is that at least 12 teams finish above them. That's bold.

Sydney is in the very unusual circumstance of having a new coach despite coming 2nd last year. It's almost a cliche now that sides thrashed in GFs have a horrible follow-up year. Maybe a new coach will help buck the trend. But maybe it won't. Thus there is some chance they're not finals certainties. (Off their '22 GF thrashing they arguably shouldn't have made the next year's final (remember THAT Adelaide behind and the umpire not bothering with the replay?) so maybe this time they do miss.)

I can also see GWS off two harrowing 'snatching-defeat-from-the-jaws-of-victory' straight-set finals losses and their Mad Monday controversies being vulnerable.

And I'm sure many of us are asking if Melbourne were that inconsistent. Before the first worrying signs we were 6-3 with a 1-point loss in there. Even after the Freo debacle and Petracca's last full game we were 7-5. Often from there sides will go deep into September, such as ... I dunno ... Brisbane who were 4.5-6.5 en route to their flag.

Football is so hard to predict even computers can be made to look stupid. Hopefully at Melbourne achieve that this year.

23 minutes ago, Demon17 said:

Straight out wrong by Ai. It has only 1 change to the final 8 from last year for a start.

Laughable process but will get the clicks . Like me foolishly

 

It can get things horribly wrong. I've asked versions of it about champion 80s sprinter Placid Ark and each time not only was its answer miles off it kept giving weird new answers (some even with bizarre declaration such as PA coming 1st and 3rd in the same race(!)) Then a few days ago I asked Deepseek about actors in Brit TV shows and even after correcting it over and over it did the same 'new-wrong-answer' routine as the previous AI did.

i do hope the use of ai on demonland doesn't continue

it's already ruining many other internet sites

ai might have its place, but imho a football fan forum is not one of those places

57 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

i do hope the use of ai on demonland doesn't continue

it's already ruining many other internet sites

ai might have its place, but imho a football fan forum is not one of those places

this sounds like something ai would say

Change the byline to Tom Morris and send to the 'editor'

 

The beautiful thing about sport is that AI cannot predict it, otherwise why watch?

ChatGPT did us dirty. 

Gross.

1 hour ago, daisycutter said:

i do hope the use of ai on demonland doesn't continue

it's already ruining many other internet sites

ai might have its place, but imho a football fan forum is not one of those places

I am AI. 

Andy Intelligence. 

Doesn't Chat Gpt work off data up to 2022? 

I directed chatGPT to take into account 10 criteria (defined and weighted by me) up to, and including today. This is the result:

1. Brisbane Lions
2. Sydney Swans
3. Carlton 
4. Geelong Cats
5. Melbourne 
6. Western Bulldogs
7. Hawthorn
8. Fremantle 

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9. Collingwood
10. Port Adelaide 
11. GWS Giants 
12. St Kilda
13. Gold Coast Suns
14. Adelaide Crows
15. Essendon
16. West Coast Eagles
17. North Melbourne
18. Richmond

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Edited February 25Feb 25 by Queanbeyan Demon

I predict Skynet to go undefeated and wipe out all opposition
 

17 hours ago, Demonland said:

ChatGPT and other online AI often don't have up to date information or just collate and "extrapolate" from online articles.

Sometimes it even straight up makes up information.

I've tested it at times asking it to write a preview of the season or even a review of recent games. If it doesn't have the information sometimes it will provide false information rather than just say it can't due to lack of data.

A while back I asked it to write a match report of the 2021 Grand Final. It said the Bulldogs came back in the last quarter, but it was too little too late.

Edit: Just did it again, and to say it's wrong is an understatement.  It's a Grand Final played in the Twilight Zone, where the Dogs controlled the game early, we come back in the second quarter, and Goodwin has been at the club since at least 2010  😂

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The 2021 AFL Grand Final saw Melbourne end a 57-year premiership drought, defeating the Western Bulldogs in a dominant display of skill and composure. Played at Optus Stadium in Perth due to COVID-19 restrictions, the Dees’ triumph was built on their relentless pressure and relentless attack, which overwhelmed a Bulldogs team that had no answer in the second half.

First Half: Bulldogs Start Strong, But Dees Take Control

The Western Bulldogs came out with intent, led by their midfield stars Marcus Bontempelli and Jack Macrae, as they controlled the early stages. The Bulldogs' pressure on the ball carriers was evident, and their tackling intensity was impressive, keeping Melbourne's forwards in check. Despite this, Melbourne was clinical when it mattered, with Christian Petracca and Clayton Oliver stepping up with strong performances in the middle.

By quarter-time, the Dogs had a narrow lead, but Melbourne began to assert their dominance in the second term. The Dees’ midfield, led by Petracca, started to break free, providing excellent delivery into their forward line. Bayley Fritsch, who had a standout match, was dangerous in front of goal, contributing two goals in the second quarter, while Max Gawn, the towering ruckman, played a crucial role both in the air and at ground level.

Second Half: Dees Surge to Victory

With the margin at just five points in Melbourne's favor at half-time, the game was still up for grabs, but it was all Melbourne after the break. The Bulldogs' midfielders struggled to keep pace as the Dees applied enormous pressure and moved the ball with precision. The game’s tempo increased, and Melbourne’s superior fitness began to tell.

Petracca continued his superb form, winning contested ball and linking up effectively with teammates. He would go on to be awarded the Norm Smith Medal as the best player on the ground. His outstanding performance included an awe-inspiring goal in the third quarter, where he sidestepped several opponents before slamming the ball home from long range.

The Dees' dominance in the second half was punctuated by a blistering third-quarter burst. They kicked six goals to one, stretching their lead and putting the game well beyond the Bulldogs’ reach. The pressure applied by Melbourne's forwards, including Ben Brown and the ever-dangerous Fritsch, was relentless, forcing turnovers and creating scoring opportunities.

By the time the final siren sounded, Melbourne had built a commanding 74-point lead, a fitting reward for their season of brilliance. Their powerful team performance had overcome the Bulldogs’ early fightback, with the likes of Gawn, Petracca, and Oliver all playing pivotal roles in their triumph.

Key Players:

• Christian Petracca: 39 disposals, 2 goals, Norm Smith Medalist. Petracca was the standout performer, leading from the front with a sensational display. His ability to win contested possessions and create scoring opportunities was unmatched.
• Max Gawn: 17 disposals, 16 hitouts, 1 goal. As captain and ruckman, Gawn was a dominant force around the ground and in the air, providing Melbourne with critical drive out of the middle.
• Clayton Oliver: 27 disposals, 7 tackles. Oliver was an engine in the midfield, providing great support for Petracca.
• Bailey Fritsch: 6 goals. The forward was clinical in front of goal, proving to be one of the Bulldogs' biggest headaches all match.
• Marcus Bontempelli (Bulldogs): 25 disposals, 1 goal. While the Bulldogs were outclassed in the second half, Bontempelli was one of the few players who could hold his head high.

Aftermath:

The win was a historic moment for Melbourne, securing their first premiership since 1964. It capped off a remarkable season under coach Simon Goodwin, who had been with the club for over a decade. Melbourne had shown resilience all year, but their performance in the Grand Final was the culmination of years of hard work and development.

 

Edited February 25Feb 25 by Grapeviney

17 hours ago, Demonland said:

ChatGPT and other online AI often don't have up to date information or just collate and "extrapolate" from online articles.

Sometimes it even straight up makes up information.

I've tested it at times asking it to write a preview of the season or even a review of recent games. If it doesn't have the information sometimes it will provide false information rather than just say it can't due to lack of data.

So, what you're saying is that AI and politicians are basically similar. Fair enough.

17 hours ago, daisycutter said:

i do hope the use of ai on demonland doesn't continue

it's already ruining many other internet sites

ai might have its place, but imho a football fan forum is not one of those places

That would be artificial insemination

No ai could be this stupid, so I'm gonna say the MSM, once they get a sniff of us with a chance, they will start again.

18 hours ago, daisycutter said:

i do hope the use of ai on demonland doesn't continue

it's already ruining many other internet sites

ai might have its place, but imho a football fan forum is not one of those places

It said at the top Chat GPT. Unless you didn't know that is AI why bother with this thread?

17 minutes ago, Go Ds said:

It said at the top Chat GPT. Unless you didn't know that is AI why bother with this thread?

i don't understand your point

14 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

i don't understand your point

Huh? If you're not interested in jumper numbers you wouldn't click on on a thread called Jumper Numbers. If you're not interested in best looking Demons players ever you wouldn't click on a thread called Best Looking Demons Players. If you're not interested in ChatGPT .......

 

I guess if 15 topics in a row mention AI I'd agree with you. But unless AI becomes amazingly good at predicting or analysing AFL I think we're pretty safe 

Here's what I got from a single role based prompt asking it to factor in player movement, pre-season injuries, and form of the past few years. It looks pretty good to me other than GWS finishing last randomly!

Based on the analysis of team performances over the past few seasons, current pre-season injury reports, and player movements, here is a projected ladder for the conclusion of the 2025 AFL home and away season:

1. Brisbane Lions: With a robust defense and key players returning from injury, the Lions are poised to maintain their top-tier status.  

2. Hawthorn Hawks: Significant defensive acquisitions, including Tom Barrass and Josh Battle, combined with the return of key forward Mitch Lewis, position the Hawks as strong contenders.

3. Sydney Swans: Consistent performers in recent seasons, the Swans’ balanced squad is expected to secure a top-four finish.

4. Melbourne Demons: The return of Christian Petracca from injury bolsters their midfield strength, enhancing their prospects.

5. Fremantle Dockers: A talented young roster suggests potential for a breakthrough season, aiming for a strong finals presence.

6. Geelong Cats: Despite an aging core and some pre-season injuries, the Cats’ experience should keep them competitive.  

7. Western Bulldogs: Pre-season injuries to key players present challenges, but the team’s depth may secure a finals spot.

8. Port Adelaide Power: Early-season injuries, including Zak Butters’ knee surgery, may impact their performance, but they remain in contention for the finals.  

9. Collingwood Magpies: Inconsistent pre-season form and injury concerns could see them just missing the finals.

10. Adelaide Crows: Recent key player acquisitions may improve their standings, but a finals appearance remains uncertain.

11. Carlton Blues: Despite a strong list, pre-season injuries might hinder their ability to break into the top eight.

12. Essendon Bombers: A developing squad with potential, but likely a year away from serious finals contention.

13. St Kilda Saints: Inconsistent performances and injury challenges may result in a lower-mid table finish.

14. North Melbourne Kangaroos: Optimism surrounds the club with new acquisitions and internal growth, but significant improvement may take time.  

15. Gold Coast Suns: Continued development of young talent, but immediate success remains elusive.

16. Richmond Tigers: Retirements of key senior players and pre-season injuries suggest a challenging season ahead.  

17. West Coast Eagles: Despite optimism about retaining key players, recent injury setbacks could impact their performance.  

18. Greater Western Sydney Giants: Facing a rebuilding phase, the Giants may struggle to climb the ladder this season.

 

Please note that this projection is based on current information and is subject to change as the season progresses and teams’ circumstances evolve.