The Matt Owies Thread

[Timothy Reddan-A'Blew 4,747]

1 hour ago, bobby1554 said:

Exactly why we would look at Owies

Precisely.

[Sydee 4,183]

7 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

Maybe we can trade Fritsch, pick up Owies to do that job for cheaper and use the bulk of the draft picks leftover to go get a proper 2 way forward.

Huge and unnecessary risk imo 

Get our system entering F50 fixed and Fritta will pay us back in spades 

Edited Tuesday at 20:45 by Sydee

[Pipefitter 2,133]

Will pick 5 be enough?

[FreedFromDesire 594]

8 hours ago, layzie said:

Well, not all that different. Both smallish forwards in their late 20s who lead to space and don't feature much with pressure. 

Doesn't mean I'm not keen to hear the differences though.

I think McAdam plays more like a medium pack marking forward than a small crumbing type. Only averages 1 mark on the lead per game over his career. For reference too, he was number 1 for us this year, albeit in only 3 games, for average tackles inside 50. 

Owies averaged a 1 mark on the lead every 2 games this year. He's not a leading player either. In terms of pressure, this year Owies averaged more pressure acts than the following Demons in similarish positions - Laurie (tbf was sub a few times), Billings, Hunter, Fritsch, Spargo, Melksham. It's not as bad as is being made out in my view, plus surely we have more of a focus on attack and scoring next year?

[The Taciturn Demon 347]

Bloody hell. The fall came quickly. We're back to fossicking in the mullock heap for a particularly nice chunk of quartz. 

[seventyfour 1,000]

9 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

Maybe we can trade Fritsch, pick up Owies to do that job for cheaper and use the bulk of the draft picks leftover to go get a proper 2 way forward.

Let's compare some key stats Owies and Fritsch in 2024. I'll throw Kade Chandler in there too.

• Kade Chandler: 12.4 disposals, 3.1 marks, 0.8 goals, 4.1 tackles, 20.1 pressure acts
• Bayley Fritsch: 9.5 disposals, 3.4 marks, 1.8 goals, 1.2 tackles, 8.3 pressure acts
• Matt Owies: 8.7 disposals, 2.9 marks, 1.4 goals, 2.3 tackles, 12.1 pressure acts

Owies is right in the middle. Less goals than Fritsch but more pressure. More goals than Chandler but far less pressure.

I would keep Fritsch every day of the week and ignore Owies.

Of all positions on the ground, I think that small forwards would have the highest strike rate of being immediately impactful at AFL level after being drafted. Use a pick rather than trading one for Owies.

Edited Tuesday at 22:36 by seventyfour

[layzie 32,744]

40 minutes ago, FreedFromDesire said:

I think McAdam plays more like a medium pack marking forward than a small crumbing type. Only averages 1 mark on the lead per game over his career. For reference too, he was number 1 for us this year, albeit in only 3 games, for average tackles inside 50. 

Owies averaged a 1 mark on the lead every 2 games this year. He's not a leading player either. In terms of pressure, this year Owies averaged more pressure acts than the following Demons in similarish positions - Laurie (tbf was sub a few times), Billings, Hunter, Fritsch, Spargo, Melksham. It's not as bad as is being made out in my view, plus surely we have more of a focus on attack and scoring next year?

Yeah but Schache and Spargo were tied at no.4 in that stat so it's not the most reliable reference. Not saying it's wrong but just not enough data. 

In the few times I've seen Owies closely I thought he did make pressure acts but it's sounding like that's not his forte. If we're going to bring in another small forward then I want elite ability in one of these areas:

- Speed

- Defensive pressure

- Ground work and crumbing

- Goal sense and ability to split the sticks out of half chances regularly

Any less than these isn't worth chasing IMO as we have enough 'nearly men' in our small forward stocks. As mentioned you guys have probably watched him a bit closer so if you think he can help with one of these then maybe it is worth it at the right price, just treading with caution

 

[DeeSpencer 24,683]

2 hours ago, Sydee said:

Huge and unnecessary risk imo 

Get our system entering F50 fixed and Fritta will pay us back in spades 

With Mitch White leaving we aren’t going to have anyone to kick to him 

[TeamPlayedFine39 8,377]

Reminds me of the 'he gets on base' scene in Moneyball.
I don't particularly like watching Owies go about his football, but he kicks goals.

 

 

[Sydee 4,183]

10 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

With Mitch White leaving we aren’t going to have anyone to kick to him 

Ok so you think Fritta is playing at Casey ? 
 

If you think that much of him and others share your opinion then we won’t get anything for him in terms of draft picks 

Not sure your logic is that sound on this one 

[Skuit 9,939]

I've lost a lot of interest in Owies since learning the correct pronunciation of his name. Before that, I would keenly seek out Carlton's weekly injury list to see if he was featured just for a bit of a chuckle. 

[DubDee 24,300]

14 minutes ago, Skuit said:

I've lost a lot of interest in Owies since learning the correct pronunciation of his name. Before that, I would keenly seek out Carlton's weekly injury list to see if he was featured just for a bit of a chuckle. 

[FreedFromDesire 594]

1 hour ago, layzie said:

Yeah but Schache and Spargo were tied at no.4 in that stat so it's not the most reliable reference. Not saying it's wrong but just not enough data. 

In the few times I've seen Owies closely I thought he did make pressure acts but it's sounding like that's not his forte. If we're going to bring in another small forward then I want elite ability in one of these areas:

- Speed

- Defensive pressure

- Ground work and crumbing

- Goal sense and ability to split the sticks out of half chances regularly

Any less than these isn't worth chasing IMO as we have enough 'nearly men' in our small forward stocks. As mentioned you guys have probably watched him a bit closer so if you think he can help with one of these then maybe it is worth it at the right price, just treading with caution

I hear what you're saying, but I guess my interest in going for Owies is a microcosm of what I want from our style next year. I want less 'contest and defence' and more attacking footy and scoring. I think we have plenty of defensive players and pressure players and Owies, while not great, isn't terrible in those areas so it's not enough of a detriment to put me off.

[titan_uranus 24,559]

1 hour ago, Sydee said:

Ok so you think Fritta is playing at Casey ? 
 

If you think that much of him and others share your opinion then we won’t get anything for him in terms of draft picks 

Not sure your logic is that sound on this one 

I see you’re clearly not familiar with DeeSpencer’s work on Fritsch.

[layzie 32,744]

1 hour ago, FreedFromDesire said:

I hear what you're saying, but I guess my interest in going for Owies is a microcosm of what I want from our style next year. I want less 'contest and defence' and more attacking footy and scoring. I think we have plenty of defensive players and pressure players and Owies, while not great, isn't terrible in those areas so it's not enough of a detriment to put me off.

More cutting edge in front of goal, I see what you mean. 

[The end is nigh 342]

I had thought he’d be great if we could contain all our injuries within him, but if his name isn’t quite that, I’m worried the lygon mafia will consider whatever pick given will never be enough. Don’t want such a debt hanging over us 

[Billy 2,460]

No

Hes a little smart ar#e & not very good, haven’t we got McCadam, Chandler, Kozzie & Spargo for this

We had Bedford the best out of the lot of them a couple of years ago and let him go

Please don’t go down this path again getting C grade players 

[Sydee 4,183]

3 hours ago, titan_uranus said:

I see you’re clearly not familiar with DeeSpencer’s work on Fritsch.

I tend to ignore people that are overly negative these days 

The reality is Fritta would be a walk up start and welcome addition to almost every team in the competition 

We can be overly harsh on our own only for that look questionable after the fact 

Grundy 

JJ

Toby Bedford

all say hi 👋 

[whatwhat say what 22,070]

3 hours ago, Billy said:

No

Hes a little smart ar#e & not very good, haven’t we got McCadam, Chandler, Kozzie & Spargo for this

We had Bedford the best out of the lot of them a couple of years ago and let him go

Please don’t go down this path again getting C grade players 

wait... are you saying that bedford is better than chandler, pickett, and spargo?

mcadam i could understand, sure, but not the latter three

[MrFreeze 1,849]

4 minutes ago, whatwhat say what said:

wait... are you saying that bedford is better than chandler, pickett, and spargo?

mcadam i could understand, sure, but not the latter three

Seen many posters have crazy revisionism with Bedford since his trade. But he could not hold down a spot in the 22 when he was in this team. 

[mo64 5,477]

6 minutes ago, MrFreeze said:

Seen many posters have crazy revisionism with Bedford since his trade. But he could not hold down a spot in the 22 when he was in this team. 

Bedford was still a developing player who wasn't given the opportunity to solidify a place in the team. From what he showed at Casey, he always had far more upside than Spargo. Unfortunately Goodwin liked to stick fat with the 2021 Premiership players regardless of form, instead of grooming the next crop. We are paying the price for that now.

[Cosmic Baby 13]

Will be fantastic roving packs next to Shane Mcadams. Also will be great to get some of that "Michael Voss" intel... exited to wrest a superstar from a successful clubs like Carlton. 

[Flowergirl 422]

He is a big cheat for free kicks that lead to many of his goals.

Edited yesterday at 07:28 by Flowergirl

[BLWNBA 699]

1 hour ago, Flowergirl said:

He is a big cheat for free kicks that lead to many of his goals.

Think that’s a bit of a misnomer based on stats. Average frees for per game below;

K Pickett - 0.6 per game

Owies - 0.8 per game

Ginnivan - 1.1 per game

 

[bing181 8,898]

4 hours ago, mo64 said:

Unfortunately Goodwin liked to stick fat with the 2021 Premiership players regardless of form, instead of grooming the next crop. We are paying the price for that now.

4 players with AFL debuts last year, 5 this year.