On 15/10/2024 at 08:24, DeeSpencer said:

Mentha - KFW (cat B)
Sharp - ANB
Campbell - Schache
Kentfield - BBB

5 - Gus
9 - Hunter
Tomlinson?, J Smith?, maybe Hore?

You’re right to say Derk would’ve been a good fit to cover one of the tall spots. But we might be seeing now why GWS had no desire to give any depth up!

Hore probably stays now. Delisted players, a late or rookie pick or a train on play for the last 2 spots.

 

That's some good work there DeeSpencer. I think Hore stays too now. 

I liked the idea of Derksen in a spot, hopefully there's enough there coming through.

If I was Wade's parent, I would be asking his agent to get him the f out pronto and look after his family and for better opportunities.

2 years toiling on a list under the same coaching regime and for what? minimum wage?

He's put in a trade request why are you holding him when he hasn't even had a sniff of AFL footy?

What has changed for him and his manager in the last week?

Quick to forget Jason that we let Bedders go for a 3rd rounder (pick 44) greedy prix.

 

 

 

Edited October 15, 2024Oct 15 by YesitwasaWin4theAges

  On 15/10/2024 at 11:04, YesitwasaWin4theAges said:

If I was Wade's parent, I would be asking his agent to get him the f out pronto and look after his family and for better opportunities.

2 years toiling on a list under the same coaching regime and for what? minimum wage?

He's put in a trade request why are you holding him when he hasn't even had a sniff of AFL footy?

What has changed for him and his manager in the last week?

Quick to forget Jason that we let Bedders go for a 3rd rounder (pick 44) greedy prix.

 

 

 

It would have to come from the Manager.

  On 11/10/2024 at 22:42, Redleg said:

I forgot Aleer and we should all hope they get Jake Stringer, as that will be 10 ahead of him and make it easier for them to clear WD to us, which I think will happen.

Not particularly fond of GW$, but do we really dislike them enough to wish Stringer on them?  After all they have just been revealed to have serious cultural issues already, and they want to add stringer?

  On 15/10/2024 at 08:24, DeeSpencer said:

Mentha - KFW (cat B)
Sharp - ANB
Campbell - Schache
Kentfield - BBB

5 - Gus
9 - Hunter
Tomlinson?, J Smith?, maybe Hore?

You’re right to say Derk would’ve been a good fit to cover one of the tall spots. But we might be seeing now why GWS had no desire to give any depth up!

Hore probably stays now. Delisted players, a late or rookie pick or a train on play for the last 2 spots.

 

I'd reckon Marty will continue to develop; he will be an asset down back and has just the right amount of mongrel to deter hopeful optimism in opponents.

  On 13/10/2024 at 07:56, Roost it far said:

"Hey kid, you signed a contract" Might be the response.

I get your point though, I'm still thinking the deal gets done but you're hardly losing sleep not getting Wade Derksen to the club.

How good do you know he might be in2/3 years ? 

  On 16/10/2024 at 05:14, Deemania since 56 said:

I'd reckon Marty will continue to develop; he will be an asset down back and has just the right amount of mongrel to deter hopeful optimism in opponents.

Really Deemania how much longer do you want us to keep Marty at 28/29 years to continue to develop?? 
And your comment about mongrel that is so far out of Marty’s wheelhouse. He would probably have more than one other player last year who is the frustration of our Club - Kosh Shack Attack. 

Can I  suggest that any Rookie spots go to our 3 candidates and if Marty has to make way the other option should be an 18 yo in late draft territory that JT has a throw at the  stumps or has another gem like Judd or Disco. We can really develop.

And sadly I believe this should apply also to Tommo if we are serious about rebounding on the run and quickly.  

  On 16/10/2024 at 05:20, 58er said:

How good do you know he might be in2/3 years ? 

No idea but the odds are he’ll be fringe at best. 

  On 16/10/2024 at 05:30, 58er said:

Really Deemania how much longer do you want us to keep Marty at 28/29 years to continue to develop?? 
And your comment about mongrel that is so far out of Marty’s wheelhouse. He would probably have more than one other player last year who is the frustration of our Club - Kosh Shack Attack. 

Can I  suggest that any Rookie spots go to our 3 candidates and if Marty has to make way the other option should be an 18 yo in late draft territory that JT has a throw at the  stumps or has another gem like Judd or Disco. We can really develop.

And sadly I believe this should apply also to Tommo if we are serious about rebounding on the run and quickly.  

Fairy Nuff.

  On 16/10/2024 at 05:31, Roost it far said:

No idea but the odds are he’ll be fringe at best. 

Really you know the fringe players odds ?

And why do you rate Derkson a fringe player. 
Ge has been in the system for 2 and a half years without any opportunity in the AFL at one of the better lists of 2024/25.

He has similar stats to Matty Jefferson probably more versatile and is 2 years on At least. I repeat no senior AFL games yet after a mid year recruit of 2022.

Just like Matty the jury is out on his career until he gets an opportunity. Worth considering given our key position and Ruck options forward  and back and on ball. 

He. Could be a 10 year player and I value players from GWS more than half or 2/3 other Clubs in the AFL if you look at their backgrounds in development and nurturing. Funny how they have a good record in providing more than fringe players. 
Might I remind you of Frosty snd Dom Tyson both very handy players no stars but AFL calibre at two Clubs. Thats pedigree I like to take a chance on and lastly he has 3 kids and a wife plus family support in Melbourne. That may be worth a real throw at the stumps for a young man trying to get places in the AFL system. 
Let’s go hard for him. 

  On 16/10/2024 at 05:50, 58er said:

Really you know the fringe players odds ?

And why do you rate Derkson a fringe player. 
Ge has been in the system for 2 and a half years without any opportunity in the AFL at one of the better lists of 2024/25.

He has similar stats to Matty Jefferson probably more versatile and is 2 years on At least. I repeat no senior AFL games yet after a mid year recruit of 2022.

Just like Matty the jury is out on his career until he gets an opportunity. Worth considering given our key position and Ruck options forward  and back and on ball. 

He. Could be a 10 year player and I value players from GWS more than half or 2/3 other Clubs in the AFL if you look at their backgrounds in development and nurturing. Funny how they have a good record in providing more than fringe players. 
Might I remind you of Frosty snd Dom Tyson both very handy players no stars but AFL calibre at two Clubs. Thats pedigree I like to take a chance on and lastly he has 3 kids and a wife plus family support in Melbourne. That may be worth a real throw at the stumps for a young man trying to get places in the AFL system. 
Let’s go hard for him. 

All possible. For the record I’m not as bullish as others re: Jefferson either. Am I in trouble? 😂

  On 16/10/2024 at 06:04, Roost it far said:

All possible. For the record I’m not as bullish as others re: Jefferson either. Am I in trouble? 😂

Brace urself Roost @picket fence will go troppo when he sees this😜

  On 16/10/2024 at 06:04, Roost it far said:

All possible. For the record I’m not as bullish as others re: Jefferson either. Am I in trouble? 😂

No you’re not in trouble and I share you’re concerns 

  On 16/10/2024 at 06:04, Roost it far said:

All possible. For the record I’m not as bullish as others re: Jefferson either. Am I in trouble? 😂

If we select Armstrong with one of our picks then the club probably shares your concern.

With the Stringer deal off this is probably even less likely.

  On 16/10/2024 at 06:04, Roost it far said:

All possible. For the record I’m not as bullish as others re: Jefferson either. Am I in trouble? 😂

Picket Fence has shown you a red card

Edited October 16, 2024Oct 16 by Dee Viney Intervention

  On 16/10/2024 at 06:04, Roost it far said:

All possible. For the record I’m not as bullish as others re: Jefferson No either. Am I in trouble? 😂

No just not a great judge or have judgement on players careers or potential. Ie like a lot of D/Lers only half glass empty. 
You don’t think any of my 
points were relevant or correct.? 

  On 16/10/2024 at 06:04, Roost it far said:

 

  On 16/10/2024 at 06:25, Sydee said:

No you’re not in trouble and I share you’re concerns 

The concern recently from an assistant coach is whether Jefferson has that fierce competitive desire, and will do whatever it takes to be successful. 
He also shares the same concerns regarding Verrall & Adams.

He said that Kenterfield has that quality in spades and if he doesn’t succeed, it won’t be for lack of fierce effort. 

Edited October 16, 2024Oct 16 by goodwindees

I should also say he said the young boy Brown, is a ripper to train and will do whatever it takes!!

  On 16/10/2024 at 07:26, goodwindees said:

The concern recently from an assistant coach is whether Jefferson has that fierce competitive desire, and will do whatever it takes to be successful. 
He also shares the same concerns regarding Verrall & Adams.

He said that Kenterfield has that quality in spades and if he doesn’t succeed, it won’t be for lack of fierce effort. 

But... but picket said...

  On 16/10/2024 at 07:26, goodwindees said:

The concern recently from an assistant coach is whether Jefferson has that fierce competitive desire, and will do whatever it takes to be successful. 
He also shares the same concerns regarding Verrall & Adams.

He said that Kenterfield has that quality in spades and if he doesn’t succeed, it won’t be for lack of fierce effort. 

The assistant coach is spot on imo. It does make you wonder why all three were recruited when being highly competitive is kind of non-negotiable to succeed at the highest level.

It's also why when I look at a draft prospect like Armstrong I don't get the fierce competitor vibe. Tarau on the other hand looks to have it in spades 

  On 16/10/2024 at 07:56, Sydee said:

The assistant coach is spot on imo. It does make you wonder why all three were recruited when being highly competitive is kind of non-negotiable to succeed at the highest level.

It's also why when I look at a draft prospect like Armstrong I don't get the fierce competitor vibe. Tarau on the other hand looks to have it in spades 

Jefferson was a needs based selection in a weak draft. He has the natural ability, worth a punt.

Verrall was a rookie, Adams a later selection, they're gonna have their flaws.

  On 16/10/2024 at 07:56, Sydee said:

The assistant coach is spot on imo. It does make you wonder why all three were recruited when being highly competitive is kind of non-negotiable to succeed at the highest level.

It's also why when I look at a draft prospect like Armstrong I don't get the fierce competitor vibe. Tarau on the other hand looks to have it in spades 

This is why Armstrong is a big no no for me. Lacks competitiveness and reminds me too much of Sam Weideman. 

 

  On 16/10/2024 at 07:56, Sydee said:

The assistant coach is spot on imo. It does make you wonder why all three were recruited when being highly competitive is kind of non-negotiable to succeed at the highest level.

It's also why when I look at a draft prospect like Armstrong I don't get the fierce competitor vibe. Tarau on the other hand looks to have it in spades 

Tarau's aerial work in his highlights was super impressive - pulling in contested marks from positions where by rights he shouldn't have been able to.

  On 16/10/2024 at 07:26, goodwindees said:

The concern recently from an assistant coach is whether Jefferson has that fierce competitive desire, and will do whatever it takes to be successful. 
He also shares the same concerns regarding Verrall & Adams.

He said that Kenterfield has that quality in spades and if he doesn’t succeed, it won’t be for lack of fierce effort. 

That's pretty depressing if our developing young key position players in each of the forward, ruck and defence positions are all lacking competitive drive. Hopefully some new assistant coaching voices and changes behind the scenes can give them a boost in this department.