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If I was Tim Lamb I'd be chatting with Caleb Serong to see if he has any interest to move back to Melbourne.

He is contracted until 2027 like Kozzy, but he may have some interest if the option is there.

We just have to play hardball here, we can't roll over on a star player with a contract until 2027.

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    3 minutes ago, Deestinga2 said:

    I dont know about anyone else, but im sick to death of hearing about player signing long term deals only to decide half way through them that they want out.

    If this text message stuff is even only half right, then why play him?????

    If his form drops off and has a "Jackson like" half of the season then there is no value playing him, i did mention this in the Luke Jackson thread back then as well, we could all see he was checked out after the bye round, i wanted him dropped. If you dont want to be here and bleed red and blue like we all do, then move along and we can find others that will.

    well, there will be no problems for the first 3 rounds

    but seriously, the club need to talk to him and say he can't just send posts to opposition players or web sites saying he will be playing for freo next year, whilst he is under contract, without being disciplined.

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    39 minutes ago, DistrACTION Jackson said:

    That's all well and good, but Narkle is an average footballer and probably won't even be on a list in 12-24 months time....

    Exactly. We can easily wait out his delisting. Plus Walter’s will be retiring soon.

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    23 minutes ago, DistrACTION Jackson said:

    If I was Tim Lamb I'd be chatting with Caleb Serong to see if he has any interest to move back to Melbourne.

    He is contracted until 2027 like Kozzy, but he may have some interest if the option is there.

    We just have to play hardball here, we can't roll over on a star player with a contract until 2027.

    Two things need to happen, firstly we need to offer up some big coin, secondly we need to get back to our best on field this season.

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    1 hour ago, DistrACTION Jackson said:

    That's all well and good, but Narkle is an average footballer and probably won't even be on a list in 12-24 months time....

    ...which doesn't mean he (and, importantly, it seems, his partner) won't still be in Perth...

    On another note, is the footy media starting to have some self awareness? Poor ol' Ralphy had to add the sentence 'That is a fact'. No chance we'd have assumed that without it.

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    If Narkle keeps up his form, he'll be delisted and not even at Freo next year

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    1 hour ago, SthSea22 said:

    He was always going to follow wherever Narkle was.

    Which is why i said last year that he has given his letter to the FC seeking a trade to Port where Narkle was at the time. 

    I took all the wacks and sledges on DL on the chin for making that statement and stayed off here for a while just to cool things down.

    Now that Narkle is at Freo, Kozzy has all the intentions of being at that FC in 2026 due to being Brother in laws (Partners are sisters). They are always together in Darwin and spend more time up North as a group more than back in WA/SA.

     

    I’m still waiting for your last “certainty” to come true.

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    How would it even be possible for Freo to come in under the salary cap and get both Kozzie and Warner? Both the Swans and the Dees would be remiss if they didn’t ask for two 2025 draft first rounders (and possibly a future 3rd rounder?), but even if Freo could somehow manage that, that doesn’t solve their salary cap conundrum, so, they would more than likely have to trade a top echelon player to one of the clubs; not only do they have a clutch of players on top dollar, they will have players like Amis (sp?) who will be demanding increases (can they afford to lose him, for example).

    Yes, Kozzie will depart, so it may as well be at the end of this season as at any other time, but we MUST demand a top deal either in multiple picks or a player swap that also includes a pick (current or future, I don’t care) from them.

    However it pans out though, both clubs must be absolutely ropable that this has been leaked. Who needs this kind of [censored] before the season has even kicked off… this can have such a big impact on team morale.

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    1 hour ago, DistrACTION Jackson said:

    That's all well and good, but Narkle is an average footballer and probably won't even be on a list in 12-24 months time....

    For sure. But that doesnt stop the fact Freo drafting him for free IF indeed a way of luring Kozi is a very savvy bit of recruiting.  Plenty of list cloggers and he is far from the worst.   

    Based on last year they currently hold pick 9.  Pre-emptive death ride. Saddle up. 

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    1 hour ago, daisycutter said:

    well, there will be no problems for the first 3 rounds

    but seriously, the club need to talk to him and say he can't just send posts to opposition players or web sites saying he will be playing for freo next year, whilst he is under contract, without being disciplined.

    Agree who is running this race? 

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    Makes me sick that if Fremantle end up with Kozzie, they would have had

    • Hayden Young
    • Luke Jackson
    • Kozzie Pickett 

    All from the same draft year, in the same team. 2 of which were so influential for us, that it's hard to stomach.

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    5 minutes ago, Demon_JB said:

    Makes me sick that if Fremantle end up with Kozzie, they would have had

    • Hayden Young
    • Luke Jackson
    • Kozzie Pickett 

    All from the same draft year, in the same team. 2 of which were so influential for us, that it's hard to stomach.

    They picked up Serong with the pick we traded to North for Pickett too.

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    43 minutes ago, hardtack said:

    How would it even be possible for Freo to come in under the salary cap and get both Kozzie and Warner? Both the Swans and the Dees would be remiss if they didn’t ask for two 2025 draft first rounders (and possibly a future 3rd rounder?), but even if Freo could somehow manage that, that doesn’t solve their salary cap conundrum, so, they would more than likely have to trade a top echelon player to one of the clubs; not only do they have a clutch of players on top dollar, they will have players like Amis (sp?) who will be demanding increases (can they afford to lose him, for example).

    Yes, Kozzie will depart, so it may as well be at the end of this season as at any other time, but we MUST demand a top deal either in multiple picks or a player swap that also includes a pick (current or future, I don’t care) from them.

    However it pans out though, both clubs must be absolutely ropable that this has been leaked. Who needs this kind of [censored] before the season has even kicked off… this can have such a big impact on team morale.

    Maybe they aren’t offering a lot of coin? Just the lure of coming home. 

     

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    The whole industry needs to grow up with the trading and contracts stuff, including fans. 
    I love Kozzy and prefer him to stay but the reality is he is contracted and should not be permitted to leave/be traded to his club of choice unless it's a win/win & the onus should be on the player and the destination club to make play. 

    The whole trade system in the AFL is childish and laughable. Full of loopholes, contrived and consistently tampered with by clubs, players, player managers and media. 

    Another thing the AFL could choose to tidy up but they choose not too (or are incapable of). 

    Options a contracted player should have 

    1. Remain with current club to honour the contract
    2. Advise their club they wish to be traded to club x. Work with club x and current club to facilitate a win/win in the knowledge that if it doesn't work out they remain where they are 
    3. If they are hell bent on leaving, they can invite their current club to shop them seeking the best offer in the knowledge that they could end up anywhere or remaining where they are. 

    End of story... 

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    3 minutes ago, Dee*ceiving said:

    The whole industry needs to grow up with the trading and contracts stuff, including fans. 
    I love Kozzy and prefer him to stay but the reality is he is contracted and should not be permitted to leave/be traded to his club of choice unless it's a win/win & the onus should be on the player and the destination club to make play. 

    The whole trade system in the AFL is childish and laughable. Full of loopholes, contrived and consistently tampered with by clubs, players, player managers and media. 

    Another thing the AFL could choose to tidy up but they choose not too (or are incapable of). 

    Options a contracted player should have 

    1. Remain with current club to honour the contract
    2. Advise their club they wish to be traded to club x. Work with club x and current club to facilitate a win/win in the knowledge that if it doesn't work out they remain where they are 
    3. If they are hell bent on leaving, they can invite their current club to shop them seeking the best offer in the knowledge that they could end up anywhere or remaining where they are. 

    End of story... 

    Agreed. I think there should be a rule in place. If you elect to go-home to your origin state (outside of free agency of course), you can't nominate a 'club of choice'.

    It should be up to the club to decide whom you play for based on the best compensation and the highest paid contract. Open market. What club is willing to pay the most and give up the most. 

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    If Kozzie does want to be released from his contract 2 years early then its up to his manager to work with Fremantle and possibly other player managers and clubs  to have a deal ready that meets Melbourne's valuation. 

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    2 hours ago, DistrACTION Jackson said:

    If I was Tim Lamb I'd be chatting with Caleb Serong to see if he has any interest to move back to Melbourne.

    He is contracted until 2027 like Kozzy, but he may have some interest if the option is there.

    We just have to play hardball here, we can't roll over on a star player with a contract until 2027.

    I would be absolutely putting in the work with those Freo player agents over the next 6-24 months DA J.

    We'd be sleeping at the wheel if we didn't. 

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    1 hour ago, hardtack said:

    How would it even be possible for Freo to come in under the salary cap and get both Kozzie and Warner?

    the Geelong way

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    1 hour ago, KozzyCan said:

    Not sure what Freo give up to get a deal done. We aren't just going to let him walk for a late first.

    He is a PROFESSIONAL footballer that signed a contract extension last year taking him through till 2027. This homesickness thing is rubbish. Hold him to his contract, and if IF the club rolls over as they could well do. Then we want Brayshaw and Serong AND your first round pick in 2026 AND 2027. Dont want to play ball freo?? then stuff you and repeat... Hold him to his contract PERIOD!

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    25 minutes ago, Ugottobekidding said:

    Mme, kozzies for Reid

    As in Murphy Reid?
    Bring him home and some other pointy end picks?

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    29 minutes ago, jaydenh10 said:

    the Geelong way

    That was the first thought that entered my mind, followed by Carlton with the Judd saga.

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    It aint that difficult. A good personnel/HR operative  would talk with Kozzie establish the context and circumstances of the situation. Explain how he is valued and why he is contracted. The talks would require sensitivity and comparison. It may need further consideration with family and managers and may take some time. While these talks are ongoing the club should ensure Kozzie is given the complete support of coaches players and supporters to maintain and improve his playing performances.

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    2 hours ago, Demon_JB said:

    Makes me sick that if Fremantle end up with Kozzie, they would have had

    • Hayden Young
    • Luke Jackson
    • Kozzie Pickett 

    All from the same draft year, in the same team. 2 of which were so influential for us, that it's hard to stomach.

    Yes but we have won a flag that’s the silver lining. 

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