Email from Peter Lawrence

[Graeme Yeats' Mullet 6,703]

Anyone else wish we'd heard from Peter Lawrence today on SEN? 🤷‍♂️

[640MD 3,319]

On 28/08/2024 at 15:28, Kent said:

That's the point isn't it the current mob are not managing over the last couple of weeks

I don’t know that el Lawrence is just wanting an Arab uprising  OR to reduce the MFC to rubble 

but I am not happy that turmoil has been allowed to fester. And individual players are more important than the whole side. 
it should not have happened but once happened it should have been contained. 
 

the people in charge should have taken ownership of the mess and contained it.

i was also dissatisfied that Goodness gave Daicos three Brownlow votes, that should not have happened either. 
ostich mentality. 
 

Fix it . 

[Clare Entwisle 0]

I didn't get the email. I just want someone to demand an independent review. CEO, President and coach should resign. Answers re Joel Smith, Grundy, Kozzie, Trac. Poor forward play. No strategy. No training site. Pathetic. 

[Grr-owl 1,168]

I understand what all the hoo-hah is about, but surely things aren't as bad as they seem. We're in the midst of a highly successful period. The club is doing well and the admin is running things just fine. 

I suggest that instead of tearing things down, we should be accepting the way things are and hardening up a bit, showing some resilience.

Yeah, it's possible things could be better, but they certainly could be a whole lot worse.

Buck up Demonlanders! Knuckle down for the hard road ahead! 

[Dingo 1,010]

8 hours ago, drysdale demon said:

I suppose someone has to be his friend.

Good on ya Drysdale, you are such sport.

[Dingo 1,010]

8 hours ago, Satyriconhome said:

Who is Joffey?

Spelling mistake Satey!

 

[Dr. Gonzo 23,678]

1 hour ago, Grr-owl said:

I understand what all the hoo-hah is about, but surely things aren't as bad as they seem. We're in the midst of a highly successful period. The club is doing well and the admin is running things just fine. 

I suggest that instead of tearing things down, we should be accepting the way things are and hardening up a bit, showing some resilience.

Yeah, it's possible things could be better, but they certainly could be a whole lot worse.

Buck up Demonlanders! Knuckle down for the hard road ahead! 

"Highly successful"? You're having a laugh. We were successful in 2021, since then it's been underachievement before finishing 5th last this year.

[layzie 32,726]

One thing I did not agree with in the Roffey interview was not considering an independent review.

I am leaning towards voting yes for this. 

[pitmaster 3,442]

5 hours ago, Satyriconhome said:

Nothing wrong with the interview, played a straight bat to questions that were trying to draw more.

Give it a couple of days and the media vultures will move on to something else.

 

I say this meaning no disrespect, you have no clue.

[Mel Bourne 4,387]

I am a little weirded-out by the affronted reactions to receiving an unsolicited email in 2024. 

[Yossarian 1,820]

19 minutes ago, Mel Bourne said:

I am a little weirded-out by the affronted reactions to receiving an unsolicited email in 2024. 

Mate, how would you like it if someone you didn't know responded to you on an internet forum?

[Mel Bourne 4,387]

5 minutes ago, Yossarian said:

Mate, how would you like it if someone you didn't know responded to you on an internet forum?

I can handle that if I must, but do not dare to invade the sacred space between my gymnasium and the company I bought some adhesive patches from seven years ago. 

[Kent 2,856]

8 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

"Highly successful"? You're having a laugh. We were successful in 2021, since then it's been underachievement before finishing 5th last this year.

Exactly Dr!!!!

[Moonshadow 17,467]

I didn't get the email. I'm quite offended now after reading this thread. How very dare they!

Edited August 29 by Moonshadow

[george_on_the_outer 7,415]

13 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Did we?

1- play finals each year 2020-23 and win a flag. We didn't play finals in 2020, we did win a flag. I'd give it a pass but technically a fail.

2- $4m profit over 4 years - did we achieve this? Eliminate debt. $30m+ of income producing assets. I'm not sure about any of this so not sure if it's a pass or fail.

3- have a culture that inspires excellence and attracts new talent. Pretty wishy washy though you can argue our culture has gone backwards and have struggled to attract new talent since the flag. I give this a fail though it is subjective.

4- 75k+ members, 50k+ average home crowds. Fail.

5- home base. Fail.

That's at least 3 fails out of 5 for me and possibly fails on all 5 (again not sure on point 2).

Point 2 was only achieved after revaluing the Bentleigh club and Leighoak after holding (hiding) it on the books for a number of years without revaluation.  It was an accounting profit only, and only as a result of Joe Gutnick getting them for us 20 years ago. 

[Dee*ceiving 1,630]

The club we love is a raging tire fire at the moment, and yes a lot of that has to do with media sensationalism but that in itself is a major failure of the club over the last 2-3 years. 

Our communication has and is diabolical. We gain zero control of any narratives. When our leaders speak only Max takes ownership and conveys confidence that he knows we need to do better and convinces me that he'll actually try. 

Goodwin tries to do this but blathers about learnings, but with him I have sympathy because he needs to remain trusted by the playing group and I feel like he is working extremely hard. 

Pert has clearly failed on many fronts:

• way too many leaks to the media  
• unable to control a narrative 
• fails to ensure adequate communication witht the playing group
• still no home base 

Roffey has been largely unseen and made it clear yesterday that at best she is an absent and vaguely interested leader who is available if someone needs her...PLEASE! 

Sadly, after a lot of hard work and an amazing outcome in 2021 we pretty much started sliding down hill abou 4 months later. Some unfortunate events have conspired against us but the slide has picked up enough speed to reach the bottom of the hill and burst into flames. 

[Dee*ceiving 1,630]

19 hours ago, Satyriconhome said:

What issues with the board, there is only two  Lawrence, which was held in a public court. The other we can't talk about but they bleat to the press not the Club

The doctor talked to the press not the Club.

Which players did we miss out on?

Rumours about Goodwin, correct rumours

The membership numbers are in the same ball park, according to you they have dropped, wrong.

 

They are not a powerful voice, it is the media, click baiters extroadinaire.

The media's treatment of us is but one of the biggest problems the club has failed to fix. In fact, I'd suggest whatever they have tried to do (outside of Max's efforts) has only made things worse. 

[pitmaster 3,442]

52 minutes ago, george_on_the_outer said:

Point 2 was only achieved after revaluing the Bentleigh club and Leighoak after holding (hiding) it on the books for a number of years without revaluation.  It was an accounting profit only, and only as a result of Joe Gutnick getting them for us 20 years ago. 

The Bentleigh Club was certainly Joe's doing but Leighoak I think was from the Ridley-Mann administration. I remember it was sort of a consolation prize after we tried to open a club in Fawkner but were refused permission by the gaming authority. Part of the problem was that we could not demonstrate how we would use the Fawkner site for club functions. It was a big setback at the time.

But Bentleigh, that's down to Joe and that's proved our big asset base.

[Satyriconhome 10,339]

10 hours ago, pitmaster said:

I say this meaning no disrespect, you have no clue.

Your opinion, which I respect, but I have the same opinion of a lot of posters on this topic also.

If Kane Cornes or Tom Morris pass wind, we have posters on here saying, "can you smell something"

[Dr. Gonzo 23,678]

10 hours ago, layzie said:

One thing I did not agree with in the Roffey interview was not considering an independent review.

I am leaning towards voting yes for this. 

I replied via email to say I supported an independent review but did not want to click a link in an unsolicited email. I got a response back saying they completely understood and would add my name to the "yes" vote.

[Dr. Gonzo 23,678]

20 minutes ago, Dee*ceiving said:

The club we love is a raging tire fire at the moment, and yes a lot of that has to do with media sensationalism but that in itself is a major failure of the club over the last 2-3 years. 

Our communication has and is diabolical. We gain zero control of any narratives. When our leaders speak only Max takes ownership and conveys confidence that he knows we need to do better and convinces me that he'll actually try. 

Goodwin tries to do this but blathers about learnings, but with him I have sympathy because he needs to remain trusted by the playing group and I feel like he is working extremely hard. 

Pert has clearly failed on many fronts:

• way too many leaks to the media  
• unable to control a narrative 
• fails to ensure adequate communication witht the playing group
• still no home base 

Roffey has been largely unseen and made it clear yesterday that at best she is an absent and vaguely interested leader who is available if someone needs her...PLEASE! 

Sadly, after a lot of hard work and an amazing outcome in 2021 we pretty much started sliding down hill abou 4 months later. Some unfortunate events have conspired against us but the slide has picked up enough speed to reach the bottom of the hill and burst into flames. 

I seriously can't believe we are back here again. It feels like the Schwab days all over again.

[Dante 2,704]

17 minutes ago, Satyriconhome said:

Your opinion, which I respect, but I have the same opinion of a lot of posters on this topic also.

If Kane Cornes or Tom Morris pass wind, we have posters on here saying, "can you smell something"

That is probably the most puerile post I've read on here.

Can't you just accept that the board and in particular the President have dropped the ball on this issue?

I'm beginning to think you are blind to any problems that the club and in particular the President has.

We need a review of the club and Alan Jackson would be the ideal man to do it. For one thing we need to stop the process of the Board making it impossible for anyone other than their mates getting on to the Board.

I understand that Peter Lawrence won't be the man to break the cycle but he's the one who's shown us that we need it.

Edited August 30 by Dante

[BDA 22,238]

20 hours ago, Satyriconhome said:

I have the experience, it is like drawing teeth, it is not completed in weeks or maybe months

in your experience, does it normally take 10 years?

[Dee*ceiving 1,630]

43 minutes ago, Dante said:

That is probably the most puerile post I've read on here.

Can't you just accept that the board and in particular the President have dropped the ball on this issue?

I'm beginning to think you are blind to any problems that the club and in particular the President has.

We need a review of the club and Alan Jackson would be the ideal man to do it. For one thing we need to stop the process of the Board making it impossible for anyone other than their mates getting on to the Board.

I understand that Peter Lawrence won't be the man to break the cycle but he's the one who's shown us that we need it.

Not just this issue Dante, several (I am sad to say). The camel's back is broken, we can't look away any longer

[Ollie fan 3,031]

What a waste of space this thread is!