It would probably be the biggest trade return that a club has received in AFL history

He's not going anywhere. Would be disaster for the club to let him go and he has 5 years to go on his contract  

But I will play the speculation game. He’s 29 next year coming  off a bad injury. Dusty was 30 when he came back of a lesser injury h was never same player. Even if he does get back to his best how long does he have at his peak- 2 maybe 3 years. 
 

Two good first round picks with at least one inside top 10 would be about right. 
I think there would be a few clubs that could come up with that. 

9 hours ago, SPC said:

If and I mean if, he wants to go. It will be to Collingwood. He won’t play in front of small crowds, been vocal on this. He is super family oriented and they love the Filth..

If we're entertaining a trade, he won't get to pick. It's 'You said you want to go, we'll get the best return'. Collingwood don't have a first rounder.

Send him to Rochmond for pick 1, future 1st and Noah Balta

12 minutes ago, Mickey said:

If we're entertaining a trade, he won't get to pick. It's 'You said you want to go, we'll get the best return'. Collingwood don't have a first rounder.

Send him to Rochmond for pick 1, future 1st and Noah Balta

Maybe add Rioli too 

win win for club and Trac. 

He gets to be reunited with Yze

Edited August 14, 2024Aug 14 by raDeelaide

19 minutes ago, Colm said:

He's not going anywhere. Would be disaster for the club to let him go and he has 5 years to go on his contract  

But I will play the speculation game. He’s 29 next year coming  off a bad injury. Dusty was 30 when he came back of a lesser injury h was never same player. Even if he does get back to his best how long does he have at his peak- 2 maybe 3 years.

Two good first round picks with at least one inside top 10 would be about right. 
I think there would be a few clubs that could come up with that. 

That trade is close to what I was thinking IF it were to happen ,,, maybe add a player.

Similar type of players traded were:

• Judd:  He and a 3rd round pick for Carlton's pick 3, 20 and Josh Kennedy.  In those days picks weren't diluted with Academy players and Judd had a few more honours.
• Dangerfield:  Pick 9. 28 and Gore.  Dangerfield went on to achieve a few more honours.

They were both in their mid 20's

Fans may not like such a trade but they are reasonable comparisons especially as Christian is that much older and the ? over his return from injury.

Hopefully, it is all hypothetical and he stays.

11 hours ago, picket fence said:

Righto Wrecker 46, WHAT would I not be happy with???? PUT UP OR SHUT UP!! C'Mon son lets HAVE IT!!

They’re trading Jefferson 😂

27 minutes ago, Mickey said:

If we're entertaining a trade, he won't get to pick. It's 'You said you want to go, we'll get the best return'. Collingwood don't have a first rounder.

Send him to Rochmond for pick 1, future 1st and Noah Balta

Not that he is leaving, but that deal would get us Reid for the 2 pick 1’s, as we were close when he was drafted and that is much much better and Balta thrown in.

The muppets in th media are going to keep this going for months so people better get use to it.

My own thoughts are that if a player regardless of who it is pushes their own agends then it is goodbye charlie.

Peter Ryan’s article in today’s Age mentions 2 things (verified by 2 separate sources) that help articulate what’s going on.

1. Christian is frustrated by player standards and professionalism, and

2. Players are frustrated that as a senior leader at the club, who has been openly frustrated at them, Christian was in Noosa and not at the club.

If that’s the issue it’s really not difficult to see that once Christian is back driving standards a lot of this simply goes away.

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26 minutes ago, The heart beats true said:

Peter Ryan’s article in today’s Age mentions 2 things (verified by 2 separate sources) that help articulate what’s going on.

1. Christian is frustrated by player standards and professionalism, and

2. Players are frustrated that as a senior leader at the club, who has been openly frustrated at them, Christian was in Noosa and not at the club.

If that’s the issue it’s really not difficult to see that once Christian is back driving standards a lot of this simply goes away.

1. Fair enough, he is an uber professional and I would be frustrated too, especially if the slip in standards and professionalism coincides with a fall down the ladder

2. If that's the case they need to grow up. He had an extremely serious injury and is entitled to have some time away from the club to refresh. It's not like he could do much in the way of recovery, mental recovery is just as important as physical.

36 minutes ago, The heart beats true said:

2. Players are frustrated that as a senior leader at the club, who has been openly frustrated at them, Christian was in Noosa and not at the club.

Thanks for the summary.  

My reaction to point 2 is Anger which is a very rare emotion for me. 

Numerous times over the years he has played ill or injured eg 2022 finals with a broken leg  This year he nearly died playing injured.  He and Max have carried the club on their shoulders all year.  And, the club approved his trip to Noosa. 

Not sure how long the Noosa trip was  ... my impression was some days rather than weeks.  The benefits to his health and recovery are immeasurable particularly getting away from our freezing weather.  Also, the benefits of getting some clear 'head space' away from the footy fish bowl would be significant.

Only one or two players has stepped up in his absence to support Max.  Where were the rest ... feeling self pity!

 

As a leader he is entitled to be frustrated with players who are not upholding professional standards and he should be supported in that by our other leaders.  Assuming they do why aren't players frustrated at Gawn, Viney, Lever etc.  Is Christian our only leader!!!  Why weren't our other leaders quelling the frustration while Christian was away.  Are our players going soft to be upset about a senior dedicated palyer being frustrated at them!!   Are they frustrated at May who shows his on the field frequently.

If point 2 is correct it seems extremely selfish and a poor reflection of those player's own standards.  Lets hope none of them have to ever go through what Christian has.  And I only hope they show as much dedication to the red and blue as he has. 

End rant!!

Edited August 14, 2024Aug 14 by Lucifers Hero

9 minutes ago, Lucifers Hero said:

Thanks for the summary.  

My reaction to point 2 is Anger which is a very rare emotion for me. 

Numerous times over the years he has played ill or injured eg 2022 finals with a broken leg  This year he nearly died playing injured.  He and Max have carried the club on their shoulders all year.  And, the club approved his trip to Noosa. 

Not sure how long the Noosa trip was  ... my impression was some days rather than weeks.  The benefits to his health and recovery are immeasurable particularly getting away from our freezing weather.  Also, the benefits of getting some clear 'head space' away from the footy fish bowl would be significant.

Only one or two players has stepped up in his absence to support Max so where are the rest ... where were the rest?

 

As a leader he is entitled to be frustrated with players who are not upholding professional standards and he should be supported in that by our other leaders.  Assuming they do why aren't players frustrated at Gawn, Viney, Lever etc.  Is Christian our only leader!!!  Why weren't our other leaders quelling the frustration while Christian was away.  Are our players going soft to be upset about a senior dedicated being frustrated at them!!   Are they frustrated at May who shows his on the field frequently.

It point 2 is correct it seems extremely selfish and a poor reflection of those player's own standards.  Lets hope none of them have to ever go through what Christian has.  And I only hope they show as much dedication to the red and blue as he has. 

End rant!!

My question I’d like an answer too:

If OX knew about a bunch of players getting ‘up to no good’ (reads as getting absolutely tanked) in Geelong in the pre-season, did coaching staff also know and if they did, were there any repercussions? If he knew by being told by someone else, it would be strange if it was secluded knowledge to only those two people.
 

If the coaching staff did know and there were no repercussions… why?

If that’s the actual issue that really could have been sorted behind closed doors….

Also, if Trac was unhappy with the gameplan, which has been reported but I don’t know if I believe it, then he should have a think about last years finals. That game plan ultimately should’ve won us both games but the players couldn’t execute, himself included. I definitely want us to play with a bit more freedom, but the game plan wasn’t the issue, it was our execution and that’s on the players.

20 minutes ago, The heart beats true said:

Peter Ryan’s article in today’s Age mentions 2 things (verified by 2 separate sources) that help articulate what’s going on.

1. Christian is frustrated by player standards and professionalism, and

2. Players are frustrated that as a senior leader at the club, who has been openly frustrated at them, Christian was in Noosa and not at the club.

If that’s the issue it’s really not difficult to see that once Christian is back driving standards a lot of this simply goes away.

This is not a hard fix. Get everyone together and thrash out the issues. I would ask the players for input on the game style. Then plan out and execute our biggest preseason yet.

Behind the scenes I would look to change some coaching personnel. Refresh and go again

2 minutes ago, DistrACTION Jackson said:

If that’s the actual issue that really could have been sorted behind closed doors….

Also, if Trac was unhappy with the gameplan, which has been reported but I don’t know if I believe it, then he should have a think about last years finals. That game plan ultimately should’ve won us both games but the players couldn’t execute, himself included. I definitely want us to play with a bit more freedom, but the game plan wasn’t the issue, it was our execution and that’s on the players.

Absolutely on point 1. In the end, the way this has come out has hurt the club in a big way. It might spark some necessary action, but it's going to make it really hard to convince good players from other clubs to join us.

And on point 2 you could not possibly hit the nail more squarely on the head imo.

20 minutes ago, Lucifers Hero said:

If point 2 is correct it seems extremely selfish and a poor reflection of those player's own standards.  Lets hope none of them have to ever go through what Christian has.  And I only hope they show as much dedication to the red and blue as he has. 

I think, and it’s only a theory, that young ambition men without a lot of life experience being openly criticised for a lack of professionalism by a peer would sting - and this is what they latched onto as a response.

Conversely the devil makes work for idle hands, and we are now seeing that play out publicly for the second year in a row.

The weird thing here is that all of this gets played out in the public arena.

The Clarry situation, the being floated for trade.

And now Petracca seemingly angry about his treatment by club during injury or being frustrated with other players slacking off/up to no good, a divide between the professional players and the party boys. 

None of this being out in the public will solve the issues. In fact it's likely to worsen them, put off potential trades to the club and entrench positions. 

 

9 minutes ago, The heart beats true said:

I think, and it’s only a theory, that young ambition men without a lot of life experience being openly criticised for a lack of professionalism by a peer would sting - and this is what they latched onto as a response.

Conversely the devil makes work for idle hands, and we are now seeing that play out publicly for the second year in a row.

So it seems.

We aren't running a nursery for sooky players.  If they want a premiership medal they need to know what it takes on and off the field.  And who better to learn that from than our NSM.

And why are such players blabbing to someone(s) who are going to tell the media.  Naive and disloyal of them.

I would be extremely disappointed if Christian didn't have the support or our leadership team and coaches in trying to lift professional standards.  They need to fly the flag with him.

Edited August 14, 2024Aug 14 by Lucifers Hero

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1 minute ago, dazzledavey36 said:

What a [censored] show.

Yeah tis a pity that we thought that once we had a premiership the old - care about furniture or now partying more than footy - Melbourne would be gone...

The article:https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/behind-melbourne-s-fall-back-into-the-abyss-20240814-p5k2de.html

 

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An interesting article. 
 

I don’t begrudge Christian time in Noosa. He has a very serious incident. The comparison with Melksham is inapt in my view.

This is a very, very, messy affair now.

We have blown multiple shots at the flag and it’s difficult not to feel there’s something deeply amiss at present.

For players to be going semi public tells me that what ever has happened - be it player conflict, differing standards, no dh policy no longer in action, etc it tells me that the damage is seen as beyond repair. 

having read most of this it seems like instead of being selfless team first players, half our team are selfish me first players. 

until that changes we can look forward to being garbage.

7 minutes ago, Lucifers Hero said:

So it seems.

We aren't running a nursery for sooky players.  If they want a premiership medal they need to know what it takes on and off the field.  And who better to learn that from than our NSM.

And why are such players blabbing to someone(s) who are going to tell the media.  Naive and disloyal of them.

I would be extremely disappointed if Christian didn't have the support or our leadership team and coaches in trying to lift professional standards.  They need to fly the flag with him.

I agree that Trac had every right to spend time away however he pleased - I can’t imagine the trauma he went through at the time of the injury and the difficulties he’s faced since 

He’s also got every right to call out poor standards - he’s just about the most professional athlete in the AFL when it comes to training standards and I imagine it would frustrate him if his teammates weren’t holding up their end of the bargain when it came to their professionalism 

Having said that, the sense I got from the article is that both before and after his injury, Trac has been making his frustrations known not just internally, but to others across the industry (or at least has contributed to the industry becoming aware of his frustrations) 

Pete Ryan also wrote about him being highly emotional and making decisions that have ‘raised eyebrows’

Don’t get me wrong - I love Trac and everything he has done for the club, but between this article and Sam Landsberger’s report that the ANB news leaked from within the playing group, it doesn’t take much to conclude that there’s a chance that Trac has been at least somewhat involved in all this information being aired publicly

Pls be nice 🫣

4 minutes ago, Norm Smith's Curse said:

For players to be going semi public tells me that what ever has happened - be it player conflict, differing standards, no dh policy no longer in action, etc it tells me that the damage is seen as beyond repair. 

Whatever 'no dh policy' we had imv was blown up when we recruited Hunter.  What was publicly known should have been enough to not go anywhere near him.

Slippery slope!