Jump to content

Featured Replies

9 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

I hope so

He needs to add attack to his repertoire 

Huh? I’m talking about relationships and pathos. That’s what keeps these stars around. The gameplan will continue to evolve as they realise they can’t ’defence’ their way through. But the people side is most important right now.

Let Goodwin be Goodwin.

 
31 minutes ago, rpfc said:

Huh? I’m talking about relationships and pathos. That’s what keeps these stars around. The gameplan will continue to evolve as they realise they can’t ’defence’ their way through. But the people side is most important right now.

Let Goodwin be Goodwin.

It’s the whole package…

38 minutes ago, Adam The God said:

What's this BS? Have you forgotten that we were the highest scoring team in 2018? Over 150 points more than the minor premiers and over 200 points more than the next highest club.

It's just patronising and disrespectful.

Not sure what 2018 has got to do with anything.

Needs to be judged over the full season including the West Coast capitulation, the Freo disaster & that he regularly gets outcoached by Voss & Longmuir.

 
Just now, Cranky Franky said:

Not sure what 2018 has got to do with anything.

SWYL posed the question of Goody's offensive capabilities. In 2018 we were the most attacking side in the comp.


  • Author
Melbourne win/loss margins Geel
3
BL
26
NM
3
7
Haw
67
Rich
46
Ess
36
StK
39
GCS
69
Carl
109
Adel
91
WB
49
Coll
42
X PA
10
StK
2
Frem
54
WB
50
Geel
2
Adel
13
GCS
96
Syd
9
WCE
17
GWS
45

2018 rocked for scoring, Goodwin was crushing it with the team running off the back of the square. 2299 points for the year, 105 per game. The rules changed on him, you'd be a nuphy to forget we were a hard contested high scoring team.

 

 

  • Author

Stat given on OTC said Melbourne has won more games than any other team over the last 4 years bar Brisbane, who are sans flag though.

History lovers only  I'm more concerned with Friday and next year

 
13 hours ago, DEE fence said:
Melbourne win/loss margins Geel
3
BL
26
NM
3
7
Haw
67
Rich
46
Ess
36
StK
39
GCS
69
Carl
109
Adel
91
WB
49
Coll
42
X PA
10
StK
2
Frem
54
WB
50
Geel
2
Adel
13
GCS
96
Syd
9
WCE
17
GWS
45

2018 rocked for scoring, Goodwin was crushing it with the team running off the back of the square. 2299 points for the year, 105 per game. The rules changed on him, you'd be a nuphy to forget we were a hard contested high scoring team.

 

 

Not sure 6-6-6 had that great an impact. Centre clearances are only a part of it. We put extra numbers around the ball and cheated forward a lot. Would love to see us go back to that style. Our backline isn't nearly as shaky as it was back then so we probably pull it off even better these days.


18 hours ago, Adam The God said:

What's this BS? Have you forgotten that we were the highest scoring team in 2018? Over 150 points more than the minor premiers and over 200 points more than the next highest club.

It's just patronising and disrespectful.

No it’s actually reality. Our Forward set uphas not been good enough since the Flag. 
Quoting 2018 is 6 years ago, and not relevant. The Game changes every year and i think Goodwin has been to defensively engaged since’21. Attacking is just as important as Defence & Contest. 
He must get the balance right 

Our best two natural forwards Van Rooyn and KOssie are both spending time on the ball diluting their impact in the forward contest and pressure. Petty a natural defender is struggling to learn forward craft. 

Our forwards dont lead as our mids have for years just bombed it in to a contest. They dont look for the lead and rarely honour it when its made. Maybe we need a forward coach and not a ruck man. Stafford may be a great bloke and well liked but he really hasnt improved our attack.

17 minutes ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

it was remiss of us yesterday not to acknowledge and celebrate the one year anniversary of this uplifting and joyous news that all us members and supporters received.

https://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/1413693/goodwin-signs-on#:~:text=MELBOURNE AFL Senior Coach Simon,contract extension with the club.

 

Argh, good times 

He should, but wont be given his marching orders Monday IMV


On 19/08/2024 at 22:18, rpfc said:

Huh? I’m talking about relationships and pathos. That’s what keeps these stars around. The gameplan will continue to evolve as they realise they can’t ’defence’ their way through. But the people side is most important right now.

Let Goodwin be Goodwin.

All well and 'Good' ... he can be the warm and fuzziness man.

Can we also get someone to educate footballers in a winning game plan ? 

24 went well eh... in the end not quick enough.

Why do any suspect 25, 26 , 27 will change from trend . 

2025 is a big year for Goody. anything less than finals and his position will be untenable.

2 minutes ago, BDA said:

2025 is a big year for Goody. anything less than finals and his position will be untenable.

Don't have to wait until finals.

Watch very closely how we play the filth next time, it will be very telling of wether the things have changed or not.

50 minutes ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

it was remiss of us yesterday not to acknowledge and celebrate the one year anniversary of this uplifting and joyous news that all us members and supporters received.

https://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/1413693/goodwin-signs-on#:~:text=MELBOURNE AFL Senior Coach Simon,contract extension with the club.

 

Premature extension, I was of the opinion that this shouldn't have happened before we knew our performance during finals.

personally i am not overly confident in goodwin producing another flag, he seems reluctant to make changes even when they are staring directly in the face. so we play players who are not playing well, we play players out of their natural positions, dont use the players we have well, dont adapt our game style when we are obviously getting over run by the opposition. we dont man up, our tackling is [censored] at times, we dont chase, we constantly kick long to contests where our forwards more often than not lose out rather than win. a lot of players especially in the back half can be very slow to move on the ball and when they do they kick in along the boundary where its often picked off by the opposition. some of these are player mistakes and some must be game plan otherwise they would not constantly be doing it. ie. you would have a runner out to the players everytime the dont follow instructions, so that next time they do as they are instructed.


Goodwin coaching career

2017 9th 12-10 miss finals by 0.5% 

2018 5th 14-8 Finals W W L (prelim) 👏

2019 17th 5-17

2020 9th 9-8 

2021 1st 17-4-1 Finals W W W  Premiership 🏆👏👏

2022 2nd 16-6 Finals L L

2023 4th 16-6 Finals L L 

2024 tbc 11-12

Melbourne over the last 7 years has had a pretty amazing player list, that we have supplemented with some good draft picks, or trades. That list is dwindling, the drafting and trading of players has probably not been as effective in the last couple of years and we are loosing key players to retirement, injury, or movement to other clubs. our window of opportunity is sadly diminishing. i truly hope the club can pull together and turn this around.

Goodwin should be replaced based on past performances, however he is likely to stay. A clean out of assistants is needed . We need to get a proper forward coach as a definite. For Trac to say he wants out, whether it is based on injury is of major concern. Our forwards are basically non existent we rely too much on Fritsch to kick goals , shut him down then we are totally r.s. We have Chandler,Fritta and Kossie (who also plays mid) as ineffective forwards. Petty and Turner defenders playing as ineffective forwards. We also have a lack of good reserves, ones who can step up. 

We have to look at being bold at selection and therefore make sacrifices. I would trade Kossie to Port, Petty and ANB to Adelaide. Would like to pick up Houston (P.A) Tilthorpe (adel) McRae (WB) and a young gun mid. Turner to keep on playing forward. Trac becomes a forward. Also I would trade Salem.

 

Lloyd on the Sunday Footy Show just now was saying that Goodwin needs to be able to present a plan internally to the club how he and the team can evolve and challenge again next season, to sell some optimism and if he thinks he can stick with his old game plan the board should find another coach right now. Fair call I say.

On 24/08/2024 at 09:24, BDA said:

anything less than finals and his position will be untenable

I think we need to win a final. (I'm absolutely amazed by how many supporters go with the "we put ourselves in a good position" line when talking about consecutive straight sets exits. It's like losing in a prelim and then saying "at least we won the minor premiership".)

The problem is, I don't think we have the list for it. We may on paper, but almost every one of our best players has a question mark over them:

Oliver - will he come back better (surely) or extremely good again (plausible but far from certain)?

Gawn - incredible that he's still playing this well after being battered for 200-odd games. He may just keep on going, but, entering his mid-30s, it's no certainty that he remains the best ruck in the comp. 

Petracca - even if he wants to be at the club, a Round 1 game would be surprising given how badly hurt he was in still is. 

May - amazing that he's got this far with his history of soft tissue injuries. And even if he's as good as ever, we need to stop relying on numerous Steven May contest miracles to win close games - it's completely unsustainable. 

Kozzie - I'm really optimistic about him, but three weeks without him at the beginning of the season is annoying. 

Viney and Salem - both make us a vastly better team, but only when they're not carrying something, which seems to be often. 


I also think replacing Neal-Bullen will be more difficult than it might first seem, and apart from Windsor and McVee, there's no under 21 on the list who I'm confident will be a massive contributor next season. In addition, I don't buy either the "we lost a lot of close ones this season" line (we beat North, who'll finish the season with a percentage in the lows 60s, by under a kick) or the "we get an easier draw" optimism. Genuinely good teams don't worry about the evenness of the competition - they just keep winning. I think a longer pre-season is a genuine plus, however. 

All that's to say I suspect we're not good enough; it will take some coaching brilliance to make finals, let alone win won. It will be difficult, but it's not unfair to expect a coach coming into his 9th season to be well above average.

Is Goodwin the man? Next year will be an excellent test. 


Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Unfortunately, your content contains terms that we do not allow. Please edit your content to remove the highlighted words below.
Reply to this topic...

Featured Content

  • NON-MFC: Round 11

    Round 11, the second week of The Sir Doug Nicholls Round, kicks off on Thursday night with the Cats hosting the Bulldogs at Kardinia Park. Geelong will be looking to to continue their decade long dominance over the Bulldogs, while the Dogs aim to take another big scalp as they surge up the ladder. On Friday night it's he Dreamtime at the 'G clash between Essendon and Richmond. The Bombers will want to avoid another embarrassing performance against a lowly side whilst the Tigers will be keen to avenge a disappointing loss to the Kangaroos. Saturday footy kicks off as the Blues face the Giants in a pivotal clash for both clubs. Carlton need to turn around their up and down season while GWS will be eager to bounce back and reassert themselves as a September threat. At twilight sees the Hawks taking on the Lions at the G. Hawthorn need to cement themselves in the Top 4 but they’ll need to be at their best to challenge a Brisbane side eager to respond after last week’s crushing loss to the Dees on their home turf. The first of the Saturday night double headers opens with North Melbourne up against the high-flying Magpies. The Roos will need a near-perfect performance to trouble a Collingwood side sitting atop the ladder.

      • Thanks
    • 20 replies
    Demonland
  • PREVIEW: Sydney

    The two teams competing at the MCG on Sunday afternoon have each traversed a long and arduous path since their previous encounter on a sweltering March evening in Sydney a season and a half ago. Both experienced periods of success at various times last year. The Demons ran out of steam in midseason while the Swans went on to narrowly miss the ultimate prize in the sport. Now, they find themselves outside of finals contention as the season approaches the halfway mark. The winner this week will remain in contact with the leading pack, while the loser may well find itself on a precipice, staring into the abyss. The current season has presented numerous challenges for most clubs, particularly those positioned in the middle tier. The Essendon experience in suffering a significant 91-point loss to the Bulldogs, just one week after defeating the Swans, may not be typical, but it illustrates the unpredictability of outcomes under the league’s present set up. 

      • Clap
      • Love
      • Thanks
      • Like
    • 3 replies
    Demonland
  • REPORT: Brisbane

    “Max Gawn has been the heart and soul of the Dees for years now, but this recent recovery from a terrible start has been driven by him. He was everywhere again, and with the game in the balance, he took several key marks to keep the ball in the Dees forward half.” - The Monday Knee Jerk Reaction: Round Ten Of course, it wasn’t the efforts of one man that caused this monumental upset, but rather the work of the coach and his assistants and the other 22 players who took the ground, notably the likes of Jake Melksham, Christian Petracca, Clayton Oliver and Kozzie Pickett but Max has been magnificent in taking ownership of his team and its welfare under the fire of a calamitous 0-5 start to the season. On Sunday, he provided the leadership that was needed to face up to the reigning premier and top of the ladder Brisbane Lions on their home turf and to prevail after a slow start, during which the hosts led by as much as 24 points in the second quarter. Titus O’Reily is normally comedic in his descriptions of the football but this time, he was being deadly serious. The Demons have come from a long way back and, although they still sit in the bottom third of the AFL pack, there’s a light at the end of the tunnel as they look to drive home the momentum inspired in the past four or five weeks by Max the Magnificent who was under such great pressure in those dark, early days of the season.

      • Thanks
      • Like
    • 0 replies
    Demonland
  • CASEY: Southport

    The Southport Sharks came to Casey. They saw and they conquered a team with 16 AFL-listed players who, for the most part, wasted their time on the ground and failed to earn their keep. For the first half, the Sharks were kept in the game by the Demons’ poor use of the football, it’s disposal getting worse the closer the team got to its own goal and moreover, it got worse as the game progressed. Make no mistake, Casey was far and away the better team in the first half, it was winning the ruck duels through Tom Campbell’s solid performance but it was the scoreboard that told the story.

      • Thanks
    • 3 replies
    Demonland
  • PREGAME: Sydney

    Just a game and percentage outside the Top 8, the Demons return to Melbourne to face the Sydney Swans at the MCG, with a golden opportunity to build on the momentum from toppling the reigning premiers on their own turf. Who comes in, and who makes way?

      • Thanks
    • 290 replies
    Demonland
  • PODCAST: Brisbane

    The Demonland Podcast will air LIVE on Monday, 12th May @ 8:00pm. Join Binman, George & I as we analyse a famous victory by the Demons over the Lions at the Gabba.
    Your questions and comments are a huge part of our podcast so please post anything you want to ask or say below and we'll give you a shout out on the show.
    Listen LIVE: https://demonland.com/

      • Clap
      • Love
      • Thanks
      • Like
    • 35 replies
    Demonland