8 minutes ago, Macca said:

Would be more like an offload/salary dump with Oliver

As it stands, I highly doubt that any club would want to pay his monstrous salary anyway (rumoured to hit in excess of $1.5Million around 2028/2029)

Could also be that we're stuck with him

Petracca similar but he maybe has more upside

Does anybody else think that these contracts were necessary

Over the top shows what a week organisation we are and don't start me on Goodwins early extension

Absolute amateur hour

8 hours ago, Macca said:

IT IS A FACT THAT GOODWIN COACHED FROM UPSTAIRS IN 2020 AND WAS ON THE BENCH COACHING IN 2021

AND IT IS ALSO A FACT THAT YZE WAS MAKING MOVES FROM UPSTAIRS AT THE SAME TIME

IS THAT CLEAR ENOUGH FOR YOU???

And that was a pea-hearted apology. You can do better than that

Hey @Macca I thought you had morphed into @picket fence with the caps lock. The word CARRYST not being included helped me work it out. NFL almost here.

4 hours ago, SFebes said:

Why does the coach keep playing them then?

Imagine the media storm if Clarry or Trac got dropped to Casey? It would dwarf the current pile on.

4 minutes ago, Clintosaurus said:

Hey @Macca I thought you had morphed into @picket fence with the caps lock. The word CARRYST not being included helped me work it out. NFL almost here.

Imagine the media storm if Clarry or Trac got dropped to Casey? It would dwarf the current pile on.

I honestly chucked the caps in there to see what it looked like and for a bit of a laugh ... NEVER AGAIN (oops)

If we're thinking of trading Clarrie or Trac then we need them to play well. They won't be dropped

They are not playing that badly it's just nowhere near elite

My inner wish is that they both come good (for us)

And yeah, bring on the NFL! There's a pre-season game on Friday 10am

Edited July 29Jul 29 by Macca

11 minutes ago, jackaub said:

Does anybody else think that these contracts were necessary

Over the top shows what a week organisation we are and don't start me on Goodwins early extension

Absolute amateur hour

Trouble is that what's done is done and we can't bring it back

I'm now coming to terms with Goodwin probably being moved on* sooner or later so maybe a new voice can spark the players into action. The whole FD needs a skake-up anyway. As does the list

But again, the payout for Goodwin would be $1Million+ along with the soft cap tax of $750k ... that's for a full year

At a guess, I reckon he at least gets the first 6 or 8 games next year but the club might have different ideas

But lose to the Eagles and all bets are off!

5 minutes ago, Macca said:

Trouble is that what's done is done and we can't bring it back

I'm now coming to terms with Goodwin probably being moved on* sooner or later so maybe a new voice can spark the players into action. The whole FD needs a skake-up anyway. As does the list

But again, the payout for Goodwin would be $1Million+ along with the soft cap tax of $750k ... that's for a full year

At a guess, I reckon he at least gets the first 6 or 8 games next year but the club might have different ideas

But lose to the Eagles and all bets are off!

What was the basis for Goodwin early extension performance based,?

29 minutes ago, Young Angus said:

I hope we’re stuck with both of them to be honest, it would be shocking to see them go for not much and then they find form somewhere else tha would hurt a lot.

You'd love to be a fly on the wall listening in to the list management meetings and such like

Think it was @old55 that has made mention that list decisions are made as early as the first week in June. Might even be earlier now with the salary cap rising the way it is

What's also noticeable is that clubs aren't concerned about contracting the lesser-lights for 2 or 3 years. I suppose plenty get traded now even if under contract

And there isn't an abundance of AFL standard footballers available anyway

Just now, jackaub said:

What was the basis for Goodwin early extension performance based,?

I'm reasonably sure that the whole contract is guaranteed

And the Soft Cap tax applies for every dollar over the threshold (up to $750k)

But I've also heard that the soft cap rises by $750k next year so the payout may not be that excessive

And I'm not calling for Goodwin's head but it's just not working out. Sometimes one has to be a pragmatist

Edited July 29Jul 29 by Macca

14 minutes ago, jackaub said:

What was the basis for Goodwin early extension performance based,?

Why was he extended in 23 after an extension in 22 which would have finished in 24???

49 minutes ago, Clintosaurus said:

Hey @Macca I thought you had morphed into @picket fence with the caps lock. The word CARRYST not being included helped me work it out. NFL almost here.

Imagine the media storm if Clarry or Trac got dropped to Casey? It would dwarf the current pile on.

*managed

*rested

*injury

But would be funny!

I haven't really heard anything about the board meeting last night.

Does that mean no one is leaking anything out?

53 minutes ago, Demonsone said:

Why was he extended in 23 after an extension in 22 which would have finished in 24???

Because Roffey and Pert were both clueless as ‘leaders’ of our club

28 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

I am/was a Goodwin believer. Not after Sunday.

I'd get Simpson in a heart beat.

Dean Bailey was sacked after the catastrophic 186 point loss to Geelong.

This is similar for mine. Sunday was catastrophic.

1 hour ago, Mono said:

Dean Bailey was sacked after the catastrophic 186 point loss to Geelong.

This is similar for mine. Sunday was catastrophic.

If we played the 4 quarters as bad as we did in the final, Saints would've won by 208 pts. So I agree.

3 hours ago, Mono said:

Dean Bailey was sacked after the catastrophic 186 point loss to Geelong.

This is similar for mine. Sunday was catastrophic.

Yep. And look at our list on Sunday vs the list from 186. Sunday is inexcusable and the repercussions are that someone (or multiple people) have to be held accountable.

4 minutes ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

Yep. And look at our list on Sunday vs the list from 186. Sunday is inexcusable and the repercussions are that someone (or multiple people) have to be held accountable.

Not to mention that Geelong were a powerhouse side that ended up winning flag while the Saints are currently a bottom five side.

4 hours ago, Demon Disciple said:

Because Roffey and Pert were both clueless as ‘leaders’ of our club

The whole board would need to approve this, though just didn’t make sense

39 minutes ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

Yep. And look at our list on Sunday vs the list from 186. Sunday is inexcusable and the repercussions are that someone (or multiple people) have to be held accountable.

Comparing this to 186 is chalk & cheese … the list now is far better & we were winning not getting flogged… but I agree it highlights we have issues from coaching to footy dept & there are issues within the playing group, they are not totally unified and or are over Goodwin just like majority of supported & members and why he should remain if only financial is a reflection of our poorly run club once again!

Edited July 29Jul 29 by Demonsone

5 hours ago, Mono said:

I am/was a Goodwin believer. Not after Sunday.

I'd get Simpson in a heart beat.

Nah this has Carlton written all over it

9 hours ago, titan_uranus said:

I reckon he would be a good get as a senior assistant to a new rookie coach.

7 minutes ago, Gorgoroth said:

I reckon he would be a good get as a senior assistant to a new rookie coach.

The slip in standards and descent into mediocrity started under his watch at the Eagles

i would prefer Longmire for senior assistant role (if he's interested)

2 hours ago, Macca said:

Fringe players? I don't see much talent there and there's about 6-8 in the Seniors who are VFL standard as well

But I agree that Goodwin has been too loyal to the (so-called) senior players ... but that doesn't give the players an out as they've decided to check out

The premiership went to their heads and it didn't help when the club (not Goodwin) decided to offer them long term juicy contracts

Chances are we're going to be stuck with a bunch

7 hours ago, MurDoc516 said:

If we played the 4 quarters as bad as we did in the final, Saints would've won by 208 pts. So I agree.

Weird. Better calculation would be if we played the last like we played the first THREE we would have won by...whatever.

3 minutes ago, Demonland said:

Some important parts of this article:

“Melbourne is determined to make significant changes this year after another season that has spiralled into misery. There is a harder edge to Melbourne’s decision-making this year and the potential of a payout for Goodwin or other contracted staff will not be an impediment to change should they decide it is required.

Goodwin’s position remains under serious threat at season’s end, and possibly sooner should the club lose to bottom of the ladder West Coast at the weekend...

Board member Steven Smith, who will take over as club president from Brad Green later in the year, joined the meeting by conference call from Europe. While the board did not settle on what its next course of action will be, it was agreed that significant changes to the football department are needed. The timing of decisions on those changes will not be reliant on the handover of the presidency.

Senior Melbourne sources said the board would analyse the football department and performance again, look at Shand’s review conducted at the end of last year and examine whether changes recommended then were properly implemented this year.

They will consider Alan Richardson’s role as the club’s head of football, the broader coaching panel as well as the senior coaching position, and most pointedly, consider whether changing the senior coach is necessary to prompt cultural and seismic change at the club, or simply the easiest and most symbolic change to make…

Melbourne believe they could cover the impact on the soft cap of paying out the final year of Goodwin’s contract, or other contracts, if it came to a decision to part ways…

The only certainty, as a senior Melbourne figure said, was that all options were on the table for the football department, with the board agreeing the status quo was not working. The dissatisfaction and resignation of members and sponsors is not lightly dismissed.

While all options are on the table for the broad football department and strategy, the same does not apply to the playing list, as players such as Max Gawn and Kysaiah Pickett will not be up for trade…

Melbourne refused to trade Oliver to Geelong last year, believing the return offered was insufficient, and shutdown Petracca’s restlessness for a move.

The club still believes it would need a significant return to entertain moving any of its players, including that pair, on. The Demons do not have a first round draft pick this year.

As a senior Melbourne figure observed of their season, doing nothing is not an option.“