Oliver Trade Rumours

[Docs Demons 1,792]

1 hour ago, Oxdee said:

I’ll say it again. At this stage a trade is more likely than not. 

The supporters on this forum have their heads in the sand. 

Oliver doesn’t want to play for Melbourne and is trying to find any chance to leave. Even take a pay cut. 
 

I trust if he stays and has a great 25 season you either apologize for this incorrect statement or get the F out of this site. From your statement it sounds like you are his manager and knows it all.

[layzie 33,991]

A lot of non-sensical jabbering going on

[spirit of norm smith 16,587]

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[BLWNBA 1,123]

8 minutes ago, DeeZee said:

Who’s the straw man now?

You are the archetypal Holier than though poster and not worth another thought.

Asking for clarification on your own contention, using your words, is a straw man? 
 

Okay. 

[pitmaster 3,578]

43 minutes ago, FreedFromDesire said:

That is true, it definitely can be strategic in nature at times.

Can you explain exactly how Geelong gain from leaking this information though? It doesn't strengthen their pitch (1), in fact it would do quite the opposite - Oliver would feel used knowing they have leaked a confidential meeting (2). It does no favours to them in their trade relationship with Melbourne. I'm not sure exactly what the benefit would be for them?

In terms of the meeting place - Oliver knows the details. Presumably he would have spoken to his management, family, friends, who knows who else? Plenty of people outside the Geelong Football Club would have heard about it(3).

1. But it weakens Melbourne's position.

2: Oliver does not need to know.

3: True, but that the meeting was on was known well before it took place. It was actually announced in the morning prior.

I can't say for sure it was Geelong's doing, but it is entirely plausible because they stood to benefit.

[Oxdee 438]

58 minutes ago, Hellaintabadplacetobe said:

What I simply don't understand is why Geelong? Up there with the least likely to be able to facilitate a fair trade.

If we really want him gone shouldn't we be dealing with a club that could actually make it happen.

Bizarre really.

I also find this strange. There are 9 other Melbourne clubs. We would the dees not have shopped him around? 

[layzie 33,991]

1 hour ago, DeeZee said:

I know there’s no law for publishing lies but there should be.

Of course we have no grounds, but it sucks that they they can say whatever untruths they like with zero consequences Dazzle.

It's a bit like the Queensryche song The Needle Lies:

"Don't, don't you trust, don't ever trust the needle, it lies!"

What a song. What an album for that matter.  

[Bowserpower 166]

4 hours ago, Flowergirl said:

Because it sounds like no-one did actually get blind drunk and abuse players. WCW, who was there and was liaising with players refuted that in her post. I think the reactions to that contributed to why she's now left the forum 

Read the original post again, the conversation had with OIiver was a drunk one.

You mentioned before that it's not up to one person to decide what bullying is, it's also not up to one person to decide what harassment is and you have no idea if Clayton was ok with that conversation or not.

[von 1,572]

4 hours ago, mo64 said:

What are you talking about? 

Footy

[von 1,572]

4 hours ago, praha said:

Absolutely nothing about this makes sense and I'm happy people on Twitter are starting to notice, too.

 

1. Oliver is happy and ready to go for 2025 in red and blue.

2. Overnight, he is shopped around, and suddenly ends up on a farm on the outskirts of Geelong. Okay?

3. He suddenly wants to get to Geelong. After one meeting on a farm. No tour of facilities. No chat to the coach. Nothing.

4. Now he is willing to take a pay cut. Two sources - one from Geelong and one from his management group - say this on condition of anonymity. 

You're telling me this guy wants to leave a $1.5 million a year contract on the table, to take a paycut to play for Geelong? Overnight? Suddenly willing to take a paycut?

Either this is absolute lunacy and just a made up story, or Geelong is pulling serious shifties.

Largely made up

[Willmoy1947 4,140]

58 minutes ago, Docs Demons said:

I trust if he stays and has a great 25 season you either apologize for this incorrect statement or get the F out of this site. From your statement it sounds like you are his manager and knows it all.

Oxdee has his mates on this site. Look who talks to eachother.

[Clintosaurus 7,861]

Geelong have been working Bailey Smith for 2 years. Probably the same with Clarry. Media do their bidding every time. Also Pies and Blues. Good luck controlling the narrative when any of them are involved.

 

[Katrina Dee Fan 3,893]

12 hours ago, praha said:

Absolutely nothing about this makes sense and I'm happy people on Twitter are starting to notice, too.

 

1. Oliver is happy and ready to go for 2025 in red and blue.

2. Overnight, he is shopped around, and suddenly ends up on a farm on the outskirts of Geelong. Okay?

3. He suddenly wants to get to Geelong. After one meeting on a farm. No tour of facilities. No chat to the coach. Nothing.

4. Now he is willing to take a pay cut. Two sources - one from Geelong and one from his management group - say this on condition of anonymity. 

You're telling me this guy wants to leave a $1.5 million a year contract on the table, to take a paycut to play for Geelong? Overnight? Suddenly willing to take a paycut?

Either this is absolute lunacy and just a made up story, or Geelong is pulling serious shifties.

I’d say a combination of two. Andrew Mackie comes across as seriously shifty. 

[Sir Why You Little 37,125]

31 minutes ago, Clintosaurus said:

Geelong have been working Bailey Smith for 2 years. Probably the same with Clarry. Media do their bidding every time. Also Pies and Blues. Good luck controlling the narrative when any of them are involved.

 

Correct. The MFC could be dead silent and all the information is still being discussed by everyone. 
My belief is that most trade talk is generated by Player Managers 

Let’s be honest, it’s their job. 

[KozzyCan 764]

12 hours ago, praha said:

Absolutely nothing about this makes sense and I'm happy people on Twitter are starting to notice, too.

 

1. Oliver is happy and ready to go for 2025 in red and blue.

2. Overnight, he is shopped around, and suddenly ends up on a farm on the outskirts of Geelong. Okay?

3. He suddenly wants to get to Geelong. After one meeting on a farm. No tour of facilities. No chat to the coach. Nothing.

4. Now he is willing to take a pay cut. Two sources - one from Geelong and one from his management group - say this on condition of anonymity. 

You're telling me this guy wants to leave a $1.5 million a year contract on the table, to take a paycut to play for Geelong? Overnight? Suddenly willing to take a paycut?

Either this is absolute lunacy and just a made up story, or Geelong is pulling serious shifties.

Is Clarry joining a cult?

[Redleg 41,426]

We don’t seem to be linked to any similar player coming to us, so that is probably another indication of our intention.

Clarry hasn’t requested a trade either.

[deelusions from afar 1,861]

14 hours ago, FreedFromDesire said:

There's no way to be sure unfortunately, because we really need to put it to an end. Morris does seemingly still have connections around MFC circles though so it could still have come through those avenues.

Yes - but it all makes sense that Morris' mail is coming from the managers when you go over what he's saying:

re Petracca after the Oliver tour of Geelong.  Not exact quote but something like "Make no mistake, this is not Petracca pushing Oliver out - his issue was with the way Melbourne handled Oliver, not Oliver himself."

Petracca was overseas when this was said.  Would he really be prioritising getting this out into the media or is this something that he can leave with people that are paid to look after his affairs - like a manager?

 

I'm not going to drag up all of the comments Morris has made on Petracca / Oliver over the last 3 months... but I think you'll find it lines up perfectly with what their management would know and want out in the public.

[daisycutter 29,737]

barrett still doubling down on clarry and pert

Barrett

Just now

 

 

IF ...

the Dees tried to shut down the Clarry talk late last week ...

THEN ...

it hasn't gone away. He still desperately wants out. And the Cats will try something before Wednesday night's trade deadline. Whatever the outcome, this club cannot continue with Gary Pert as CEO.

 

 

Edited October 10 by daisycutter

[Red and Blue realist 2,058]

11 hours ago, Hellaintabadplacetobe said:

What I simply don't understand is why Geelong? Up there with the least likely to be able to facilitate a fair trade.

If we really want him gone shouldn't we be dealing with a club that could actually make it happen.

Bizarre really.

Geelong are able to control the media narrative better than any club, the local paper (the addy) is more or less a newsletter about the Cats, but it's well known that their local journos are not to write anything negative - unless the club wants a player out - otherwise that persons job is in danger. Hence when Stengle OD out the front of a nightclub recently it was all swept under the carpet very quickly and he even played the next week. 

[Superunknown 4,223]

41 minutes ago, KozzyCan said:

Is Clarry joining a cult?

The Cotton On Cattery Cult

[KozzyCan 764]

5 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

barrett still doubling down on clarry and pert

Barrett

Just now

 

 

IF ...

the Dees tried to shut down the Clarry talk late last week ...

THEN ...

it hasn't gone away. He still desperately wants out. And the Cats will try something before Wednesday night's trade deadline. Whatever the outcome, this club cannot continue with Gary Pert as CEO.

 

 

Sliding Doors is pretty much the worst thing produced by the AFL media and that's saying something. No idea why anyone reads it.

[waynewussell 6,237]

4 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

barrett still doubling down on clarry and pert

Barrett

Just now

 

 

IF ...

the Dees tried to shut down the Clarry talk late last week ...

THEN ...

it hasn't gone away. He still desperately wants out. And the Cats will try something before Wednesday night's trade deadline. Whatever the outcome, this club cannot continue with Gary Pert as CEO.

 

 

t's not Barrett's call! I'll never accept that sports 'journalists' have the right to call for a club official to be removed (however they phrase it!), no matter how big the reputation (or ego, Whateley!). It's the Club's call, and the Review may point to that end (for Pert), however... butt-out Barrett!

[The Taciturn Demon 579]

5 minutes ago, KozzyCan said:

Sliding Doors is pretty much the worst thing produced by the AFL media and that's saying something. No idea why anyone reads it.

You could ask AI to write a vicious parody of Sliding Doors and it would come up with something more insightful and coherent than the column itself. 

[Macca 17,032]

Re the media on Oliver

A few truths

A few half-truths

A number of mis-truths

A number of lies

Heaps of embellishment

For instance ... I do not believe that Pert (and the Board) acted independently to the FD & Playing group.  They all knew

Why?  Because the playing group would be P/O with Oliver so the FD can't side with Oliver.  Pert & the Board know all that

If the FD did side with Oliver then forget about the team playing as a team ongoing.  A toxic situation would arise

But the FD have given Oliver a number of 2nd chances.  But after the Brownlow incident and the 2 missed appointments I reckon they've all had enough

To me, the whole club wants him out but getting him out is darn near impossible because of the $10Million Contract

Would Oliver take a paycut?  Maybe but how much?  

[Dr. Gonzo 24,289]

He's right, Pert's position is becoming untenable