14 minutes ago, Rednblueriseing said:

Maybe if we split the pick, he ain't worth a top 10 pick, around pick 16-20

That's what I hope for, but he's a damn good player and is contracted for another 3 years. Port aren't going to settle for chump change.

Straight swap for Lever? 

Based on that alone simply cannot give our first pick for him. This draft is jam packed with gun midfielders.  Cal Twomey saying that any of them could be considered puck one. Lunacy to give that up for a half back. Yes, his kicking us elite but we have viable options there already. I will totally lose faith in our recruitment department if we cave on thus one. Having said that not sure how the deal gets done if we're hellbent.

I saw nothing tonight that suggests he's worth pick 7.

 

24 minutes ago, godees said:

You do not trade pick 6 for a 27yo half back flanker, unless their name is Corey Enright. Dan Houston isn’t in the same universe.

Future first and change or they can get stuffed.

Salem straight swap and a second rounder.

Kicks the ball sideways for a player who’s supposed to be a gun.

7 minutes ago, Doug Reemer said:

Kicks the ball sideways for a player who’s supposed to be a gun.

Not saying I’d give up our first round pick but he does hit targets or at least kicks to advantage - a novel concept for most of our list 

He's a good player but do we really need another half back flanker?? Unless we get him on the cheap I don't get the interest.

How did that 'champion data top 5 best users in the comp' go tonight @Bring-Back-Powell?

A long, penetrating and accurate kick is what he is. And if that makes him a top 5 best user in the comp, that should tell you more about champion data in isolation than anything else. 

Use your eyes. They will tell you the full story. 

He is a good player who would allow us to play McVee and Rivers in the middle, but he’s certainly not worth a first round pick. Let alone two. 

Houston is already a whipping boy and he doesn’t even play for us yet  

31 minutes ago, middleagedemon said:

How did that 'champion data top 5 best users in the comp' go tonight @Bring-Back-Powell?

A long, penetrating and accurate kick is what he is. And if that makes him a top 5 best user in the comp, that should tell you more about champion data in isolation than anything else. 

Use your eyes. They will tell you the full story. 

It's snowing today, where are all those global warmers now?

If Houston were a free agent I suspect the majority view here would be that he’d be a great addition. We just lost yet another game hallmarked by our poor foot skills and we are seeing increasing calls for McVee to go into the middle. 

But attaching pick 6 to him is where most of us feel uneasy. 

IMO trading pick 6 in this draft out for a 28 year old half back just isn’t the right move. 

5 minutes ago, John Demonic said:

It's snowing today, where are all those global warmers now?

Bad analogy. 

He is not the kick that we need in our team. He is not a daicos or gulden kick. 

That statistic completely misrepresents the kind of kick he is and supporters need to understand that before throwing that stat around. 

 

Edited August 10, 20241 yr by middleagedemon

Here’s a novel idea. Why don’t we use Pick 6/7 and target an 18 year old with the same foot skills? Play him off HB for the first couple of years and then move him into the midfield rotation. 

11 minutes ago, middleagedemon said:

Bad analogy. 

He is not the kick that we need in our team. He is not a daicos or gulden kick. 

That statistic completely misrepresents the kind of kick he is and supporters need to understand that before throwing that stat around. 

 

The analogy was made because you made the silly mistake of conflating one games performance with his overall value, by snarkily quoting past conversations, asking how he played.

Also he played well, had some great laser passes and he'd be a great addition to our team at the right cost. 

The conversation should rightly shift to his value and how much we'd be prepared to give up, we're past the point of "not the kick we need in the team', because it's clear the club is head hunting him and does think he is. 

Edited August 10, 20241 yr by John Demonic

4 minutes ago, John Demonic said:

The analogy was made because you made the silly mistake of conflating one games performance with his overall value, by snarkily quoting past conversations, asking how he played.

Also he played well, had some great laser passes and he'd be a great addition to our team at the right cost. 

The conversation should rightly shift to his value and how much we'd be prepared to give up, we're past the point of "not the kick we need in the team', because it's clear the club is head hunting him and does think he is.

Using a champion data statistic to try and convince posters that he's an elite kick is actually the silly mistake and my response was about that but thanks for involving yourself. 

The conversation can actually go anywhere we like and you've got no idea whether or not we're head-hunting him nor what we'd be prepared to give up. The talk is that he wants to come home to vic. Not that the MFC have gone hard after him, maybe you need to read up on that? 

I'll continue to post my thoughts on his overrated kicking skills though that I think we'd be making one of the biggest list management blunders in the last decade if we gave up what is being reported. 

 

UM NO PASS!!

2 minutes ago, picket fence said:

UM NO PASS!!

Glad I'm not the only one doomscrolling d'land at 1.10am!

Did anyone have a Melbourne jumper with Houston's name on it hanging down as he came onto the field tonight?

5 minutes ago, Lexinator said:

Did anyone have a Melbourne jumper with Houston's name on it hanging down as he came onto the field tonight?

Hope not. That was a schiitt act I'd hate to see us replicate. 

By the end of this season he’s going to be a 2x aa, he’s going to be a massive in if we get him. The only downside is it will certainly cost us our first pick in its entirety so we will potentially be giving up a future gun for the now. I guess it all comes back to if you think we still have a shot at the flag with our current group or if we need to be going back to the draft to reload and go again in a 3-4 years time by which point May, Gawn and Viney will all be gone. I certainly think unless we bring in more quality players we won’t be a contender next year

Given we had him in front of us all night, I was particularly interested to see how he went.

No doubting his kicking ability and he did more defensively than I expected.

Just don’t see how his foot skills and run create the result we all want with our slow/safe game plan. Same with the Gulden/Daicos example. They need a system that backs them in to attack.

9 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

I saw nothing tonight that suggests he's worth pick 7.

 

I saw plenty, who have we got that can kick a ball like that with composure other than McVee

7 hours ago, picket fence said:

UM NO PASS!!

You’ve got to turn you’re caps button off you keyboard