6 minutes ago, Wells 11 said:

This reminds me of the hoo haa when we got lever. which went on all the way until we won a flag. No one bats  an eye at that deal now.

yeah, pretty different circumstance

i equate it more like when we got steve may in terms of his experience; houston is arguably more 'credentialed' (all oztrayan last year) than may was when he joined us

it worked out well, but only cos we traded one bloke - hogan - and ended up with two premiership players in may and sparrow

23 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

First round picks are gold over the next two years given the entry of Tasmania in 2026

Absolutely agree, we need to ensure we have a good amount of young talent in these next two drafts for when the Tassie team gobble up all them top 10 picks.

1 hour ago, Diamond_Jim said:

Lever was 21 years old (Luke Jackson's age)

I think it depends on where we see our list doesn’t it DJ? I mean are we challenging now? Remembering we’re probably  in the  last 2 years of maximus and possibly May. Plus as importantly , do they think oliver and trac return at close to full rat power? or not?  If the answer to either of those questions is no then we don’t trade away picks fr a 27 year old. . If it’s yes on both scores then surely we prob do? 

 

1 hour ago, jnrmac said:

Someone will pay that. Hope its not us.

Carlton need defenders and have a magic money tree somewhere.

 

1 hour ago, Diamond_Jim said:

First round picks are gold over the next two years given the entry of Tasmania in 2026

This and this, West Coast scenario when they felt they had one more two year tilt left in the list and gave up 3 picks to get Tim Kelly is very much a buyer beware for what they are suggesting Houston would cost us

3 minutes ago, Wells 11 said:

I think it depends on where we see our list doesn’t it DJ? I mean are we challenging now? Remembering we’re probably  in the  last 2 years of maximus and possibly May. Plus as importantly , do they think oliver and trac return at close to full rat power? or not?  If the answer to either of those questions is no then we don’t trade away picks fr a 27 year old. . If it’s yes on both scores then surely we prob do? 

 

I don't think we can afford to invest too much more in the window at the expense of the future. Dollar investment maybe but we need quality youngsters via the draft.

For 28 year olds that is what the free agency is all about. Houston chose to sign long term so I have little sympathy.

10 minutes ago, Wells 11 said:

I think it depends on where we see our list doesn’t it DJ? I mean are we challenging now? Remembering we’re probably  in the  last 2 years of maximus and possibly May. Plus as importantly , do they think oliver and trac return at close to full rat power? or not?  If the answer to either of those questions is no then we don’t trade away picks fr a 27 year old. . If it’s yes on both scores then surely we prob do? 

 

Full rat power? Really??

Channeling David King?  WTF even is full rat power

4 hours ago, Dee Boys said:

Cal and Riley on Gettable think two first rounders would be a fair price. He's a gun but not sure giving up that much for a soon to be 28 year old would be great business. 

It's always two firsts when it's the Dees needing to come up with something. FFS what did WE get for Luke Jackson again, a player who had 10 years to give? Is Houston a comparable player? 🤦‍♂️

Edited July 24, 2024Jul 24 by John Demonic

1 hour ago, John Demonic said:

It's always two firsts when it's the Dees needing to come up with something. FFS what did WE get for Luke Jackson again, a player who had 10 years to give? Is Houston a comparable player? 🤦‍♂️

We got two firsts and a second for Jackson.

Luke Jackson is a bit player

Getting 2 firsts and second for him was incredible business

16 minutes ago, Dee Boys said:

We got two firsts and a second for Jackson.

With "10 years to give"

Houston is 28 next year. How can he possibly be worth two firsts? He's not Bontempelli

Edited July 24, 2024Jul 24 by John Demonic

4 hours ago, Gorgoroth said:

Absolutely agree, we need to ensure we have a good amount of young talent in these next two drafts for when the Tassie team gobble up all them top 10 picks.

I think it's questionable Tassie will go hard at the draft. They will bring in experience and ready talent to compete immediately. 

Is a first round pick and a future first pick significant? We expect to finish higher next year with Houston in the side so it shouldn't cost us much in the long run unless we do a Collingwood and fall away dramatically like the Schultz deal. 

4 hours ago, adonski said:

Luke Jackson is a bit player

Getting 2 firsts and second for him was incredible business

I think so too. He is athletically gifted, but I’m afraid he lacks a bit between the ears.

3 hours ago, WERRIDEE said:

Is a first round pick and a future first pick significant? We expect to finish higher next year with Houston in the side so it shouldn't cost us much in the long run unless we do a Collingwood and fall away dramatically like the Schultz deal. 

It’s too much to give away to a player that only has 4-5 years to give. If this was 2 years ago, do it without battering an eye. 
 

I think it’s a 1st and a F2 at most. 

10 hours ago, Gawndy the Great said:

I think so too. He is athletically gifted, but I’m afraid he lacks a bit between the ears.

What are you talking about? He's a gun. It's not like Max is an intellectual giant. If you're prepared to work hard and you have elite attributes, you'll be a star. (and your body doesn't let you down)

Watching LJ pants us the other day was less painful because he helped us win a flag, and I don't believe Freo have a game style that will hold up in finals. They might be able to defend, but you can't rely on uncontested possessions to generate all your scores. Their midfield is quick, but small. If you bring pressure and physicality, you'll have a chance of beating them up around the ball.

When you play like us the other day, listless, unaccountable, soft, you allow them to get out into space and carve you up, leaving your own defenders no chance.

LJ will be a top 20 or 30 player IMO.

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26 minutes ago, Binmans PA said:

What are you talking about? He's a gun. It's not like Max is an intellectual giant. If you're prepared to work hard and you have elite attributes, you'll be a star. (and your body doesn't let you down)

Watching LJ pants us the other day was less painful because he helped us win a flag, and I don't believe Freo have a game style that will hold up in finals. They might be able to defend, but you can't rely on uncontested possessions to generate all your scores. Their midfield is quick, but small. If you bring pressure and physicality, you'll have a chance of beating them up around the ball.

When you play like us the other day, listless, unaccountable, soft, you allow them to get out into space and carve you up, leaving your own defenders no chance.

LJ will be a top 20 or 30 player IMO.

He’s exactly what we need, an athletic ruck/forward who can crumb his own ball. 

27 minutes ago, Binmans PA said:

What are you talking about? He's a gun. It's not like Max is an intellectual giant. If you're prepared to work hard and you have elite attributes, you'll be a star. (and your body doesn't let you down)

Watching LJ pants us the other day was less painful because he helped us win a flag, and I don't believe Freo have a game style that will hold up in finals. They might be able to defend, but you can't rely on uncontested possessions to generate all your scores. Their midfield is quick, but small. If you bring pressure and physicality, you'll have a chance of beating them up around the ball.

When you play like us the other day, listless, unaccountable, soft, you allow them to get out into space and carve you up, leaving your own defenders no chance.

LJ will be a top 20 or 30 player IMO.

Agree wholeheartedly with your first paragraph, but disagree wholeheartedly on your second.

Not only are Freo the best contested possession and clearance team in the competition this season, their differential for both stats is the best the AFL has ever seen since they began to be recorded. 

Good luck "beating up" Sean Darcy, Nat Fyfe, Hayden Young and Andy Brayshaw around the ball. Serong's the only midget, but he's a tough little bugger too.

If we can get Houston for a first round pick (ideally next year's) and add Cumming via FA, and add a young mid from the draft, we could look a whole lot different next year.

But, I think it will see us shift the game style again, probably double down on the transition game from the first half of the year. Hopefully a year of practicing the transition game in pressure games will hold us in good stead for 2025.

Goody also has a history of being at the forefront of the shift in game styles and the general evolution of the game. The defensive diamond, the use of inside sliders, the emphasis on post clearance pressure etc, so I wonder if it'll have some new tweaks rather than an evolution of Collingwood's transition model.

On 18/07/2024 at 20:17, dazzledavey36 said:

Yeah the I'm a huge fan of Cumming and glad we're targeting him. Have watched him closely and even last year he really got them going off half back last year.

He's a high end talent when fit.

Spot on!!!

 

Anyone got Rivers 2025 brownlow odds?

Now that this is gathering steam - how much is too much for Houston? 

Clearly a first rounder is unders, but two first rounders seems like overs, and I’d be loathe for the club to miss out on the first round for two years in a row

Plus we still need to add to our young midfield bridge - can we afford to trade our first pick and take a punt on a midfielder or two in the second round? It’s a deep draft so maybe 

1 minute ago, demoncat said:

Now that this is gathering steam - how much is too much for Houston? 

Clearly a first rounder is unders, but two first rounders seems like overs, and I’d be loathe for the club to miss out on the first round for two years in a row

Plus we still need to add to our young midfield bridge - can we afford to trade our first pick and take a punt on a midfielder or two in the second round? It’s a deep draft so maybe 

Sparrow and a first?

2 minutes ago, demoncat said:

Now that this is gathering steam - how much is too much for Houston? 

Clearly a first rounder is unders, but two first rounders seems like overs, and I’d be loathe for the club to miss out on the first round for two years in a row

Plus we still need to add to our young midfield bridge - can we afford to trade our first pick and take a punt on a midfielder or two in the second round? It’s a deep draft so maybe 

1st + 2nd

The 1st rounder for Hoston + the 2nd as steak knives given his contractual status

Hopefully it's a 2025 first rounder if we don't make finals this year

1 minute ago, demoncat said:

Now that this is gathering steam - how much is too much for Houston? 

Clearly a first rounder is unders, but two first rounders seems like overs, and I’d be loathe for the club to miss out on the first round for two years in a row

Plus we still need to add to our young midfield bridge - can we afford to trade our first pick and take a punt on a midfielder or two in the second round? It’s a deep draft so maybe 

Yeah, he'll be 28 in May next year. Coughing up two first rounders for someone who could start slowing down and succumbing to soft tissue injuries after only a couple of seasons for us would be crazy.