Jump to content


Recommended Posts

Posted
3 minutes ago, dice said:

In your previous comment, you inferred Amiss hadn't improved.

And I brought up Petty as a side note to the relevance of this thread. My apologies

He hasn’t improved this season. His goal kicking accuracy has fallen off a cliff for example.

Agree he will improve. Plenty of upside.

Like jvr he's still a kid and development isn't linear. 

Posted
21 minutes ago, Fat Tony said:

I think Turner is a more capable player around the ground than Fullarton and Petty/JVR will compete harder in the centre bounces than Fullarton.

It is not that odd. Goodwin and the coaches would have considered the pros and cons. Fullarton has not shown himself to be an AFL standard player and has never played an AFL game as a first ruckman.

 

And yet hes an emergency which to me negates the notion he can't play at AFL 

  • Like 1

Posted
2 hours ago, Chook said:

Petty has had a lot of trouble getting into the game as a forward. Having him be a defensive ruck following Draper around the ground and helping out defensively could work very well in theory.

1. Gets him into the game
2. Utilises his defensive nous and knowledge of the backline structure
3. Potentially providing a good marking target down the ground
4. Keeps the forward line open for players who know what they're doing (Roo, Melk, Fritta, Kosi) to go to work

Better than Fullerton, who wouldn't really be able to do any of that

I suspect that this is the rationale Chook that SImon is using. My question is does Petty have the tank and can he contest the bounces. He is an ok leap

Posted
18 hours ago, Binmans PA said:

Exactly how I would have gone and how I thought we'd go.

Petty, JVR and Disco 10 minutes each per quarter.

Happy with this and excited to see how we go with it.

Is that how we are going?

My guess is Petty and JVR sharing near half and half. 

My ‘dark horse pick’ is Petty back and TMac sharing ruck with JVR.

 

Posted
3 minutes ago, binman said:

He hasn’t improved this season. His goal kicking accuracy has fallen off a cliff for example.

Agree he will improve. Plenty of upside.

Like jvr he's still a kid and development isn't linear. 

Hasn't improved? He has missed 1 game this season! Freo are 3rd on the ladder. He is integral to that team.

And there are 7 games to go. Currently tracking improvement on lots of stats from last year:
https://www.wheeloratings.com/afl_player_profile.html?ID=140bfb2

Posted
13 hours ago, WalkingCivilWar said:

Yeah nah… I’ve NEVER taken a potshot at Tom Fullarton. In fact, I’ve never taken a potshot at any player. You must be thinking of another poster. 🤷‍♀️ 

 

The definition of a “pot shot” is quite subjective. My recollection is, I believe before WCE in Perth, you “potted” my suggestion of Fullarton coming in for the match with comments that were not complementary to the player.
That’s my recollection and no, I haven’t gone back to check, preferring not to spend anymore time on a forum than necessary, which on the contrary could lead to eventually becoming obsessive, prejudiced and perpetually wearing a “one eyed blinker”.

As I said “it’s subjective”, and all opinions are just that. That’s something, IMO, that is lost on a select clique in this place.

  • Like 4
Posted
16 minutes ago, rpfc said:

Is that how we are going?

My guess is Petty and JVR sharing near half and half. 

My ‘dark horse pick’ is Petty back and TMac sharing ruck with JVR.

 

I think it'll more likely be 50/50 Petty and Turner tbh. Goody signalled in his presser that we have to balance JVRs dominance as a forward vs rucking him.

  • Like 1
Posted (edited)
17 minutes ago, dice said:

Hasn't improved? He has missed 1 game this season! Freo are 3rd on the ladder. He is integral to that team.

And there are 7 games to go. Currently tracking improvement on lots of stats from last year:
https://www.wheeloratings.com/afl_player_profile.html?ID=140bfb2

For pete's sake, did you even read those stats?

Sheesh.

Last season his player rating was 7.21 and this season it is 4.73. 

And there is barely a single stat he had improved.

For example his numbers for marks, contested marks and goals - stats I assume you agree are kpis for a KPF - are all down this season.

In fact based on his numbers you could make a case that not only had he not improved, hes gone backwards 

Feels like you are arguing for arguing sakes. 

Edited by binman
  • Like 1

Posted
18 hours ago, Jibroni said:

Sam Draper must be licking his chops. On face value it does make us more mobile but I anticipate clearance numbers will be down without a genuine ruck.

Winning center clearance hasn't been our strong suit this year

18 hours ago, seventyfour said:

A loss at the selection table is the worst kind of loss, as it's an avoidable one.

Let's hope that's not the case on Saturday, otherwise it adds to a long list with Goodwin.

 

18 hours ago, Dee*ceiving said:

I do agree we've lost more than a few at selection.  

Definitely a gamble...

Name a game we lost a selection????

18 hours ago, kozzyisalegend said:

Mabior chol was up for grabs and we didn't even talk to him....

600-700K vs 250-300

17 hours ago, picket fence said:

If he aint better than Petty as a forward ??! Please give me a break!!

You mean the CHF v bris that took 8 marks 5 contested.

 

1 hour ago, sue said:

A lot of furious hindsight being thrown around here about poor selection decisions in the past, the basis of which we don't know.  For example, Schache was an unused sub for 2023 semifinal. On the face of it seemed madness.

But do we have all the facts that guided the selection committee?  Maybe there was someone in the team who had a serious injury concern about whether they could run out the game. Club felt they were good enough to take the risk of playing him and Schache was insurance for that player. But it turned out he was not needed, so in hindsight a different player would have been a better sub.  Not saying there was and it wasn't a bungle, just saying we never know all the facts so we should temper our outrage.

Our cupboard is rather bare - how many teams could lose 3.5 of their best players and be confident of winning by putting in players who have not impressed at VFL level. And Essendon are full of confidence (hopefully over full).  If we lose we'll need deeper analysis of why, rather than just putting it down to selection mistakes.

You mean like Gawn who went into the game with a broken toe type on injury???

Posted (edited)
17 minutes ago, binman said:

For pete's sake, did you even read those stats?

Sheesh.

Last season his player rating was 7.21 and this season it is 4.73. 

And there is barely a single stat he had improved.

For example his numbers for marks, contested marks and goals - stats I assume you agree are kpis for a KPF - are all down this season.

In fact based on his numbers you could make a case that not only had he not improved, hes gone backwards 

Feels like you are arguing for arguing sakes. 

Not sure what stats you are looking at. He is currently on track for more kicks, kicking efficiency, disposals inside 50, metres gained, ground ball gets, inside 50 marks, more shots on goal, goal assists, tackles, pressure acts, spoils, one percenters on last year's stats.

And again, 7 games to go plus finals. Sheesh

Edited by dice

Posted (edited)
5 minutes ago, BangBnagBang said:

Winning center clearance hasn't been our strong suit this year

 

Name a game we lost a selection????

600-700K vs 250-300

You mean the CHF v bris that took 8 marks 5 contested.

 

You mean like Gawn who went into the game with a broken toe type on injury???

And Kicked like a schoolboy Back Pocket player you mean?? Have a close look at Jeffo's goals this year and you'll see the difference in accuracy and a no nonsense no nervous set shot routine

Edited by picket fence
Posted
1 hour ago, middleagedemon said:

On what basis is it iffy? 

Please tell. 

He is an ex AFL player and assistant coach and he is knowledgeable only because of his access to champion data? 

Please stop with the comedy. 

I don't follow what King says so I won't get into a discussion about how good his opinions are or whether he makes controversial comments based on very little just to get attention as a lot of commentators seem to do.  I hope he does little of that.

But presumably you do realise that it is possible to disagree with someone else without being snarky and dismissing their (somewhat misquoted) opinions as 'comedy'.  

Posted
3 minutes ago, picket fence said:

And Kicked like a schoolboy Back Pocket player you mean??

Turn it up @picket fence. Down at TH King oval the pockets are deep and wide. My best year was when I only kicked it out of bounds on the full an average of once a quarter. That sounds bad, but we were so [censored] the ball tended to be in my zone a fair bit of the time. Some games it was only me that stood between a 10 goal loss and a 17 goal one.

  • Like 1

Posted
Just now, dice said:

Not sure what stats you are looking at. He is currently on track for more kicks, kicking efficiency, disposals inside 50, metres gained, ground ball gets, inside 50 marks, more shots on goal, goal assists, tackles, pressure acts, spoils, one percenters.

And again, 7 games to go. Sheesh

I'm looking at the stats you provided a link to.

And from those stats the best you can provide of evidence he has improved is kicks, kicking efficiency, disposals inside 50, metres gained, ground ball gets, inside 50 marks, more shots on goal, goal assists, tackles, pressure acts, spoils, one percenters?

The player ratings are by far the best measure of a players performance level.

His player rating has dropped significantly.

By the by, JVRs rating has also dropped this season, albeit only slightly - 7.3 on 2023 and 6.99 this season.

Anyway, whether Amiss had improved or not this season, he is a good young player who will become an excellent one. 

So not sure why you are feeling the need to argue.

Let's leave it here.

  • Like 1

Posted
2 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

Hi Prodee! 🖐

Zero chance they are Prodee.

That's an insult to my old sparring partner (who by the by is now posting as gator).

  • Like 2
  • Thanks 1
Posted
3 hours ago, Chook said:

Petty has had a lot of trouble getting into the game as a forward. Having him be a defensive ruck following Draper around the ground and helping out defensively could work very well in theory.

1. Gets him into the game
2. Utilises his defensive nous and knowledge of the backline structure
3. Potentially providing a good marking target down the ground
4. Keeps the forward line open for players who know what they're doing (Roo, Melk, Fritta, Kosi) to go to work

Better than Fullerton, who wouldn't really be able to do any of that

Could be.

But I doubt playing ruck will do Petty's foot the world of good. 

A risk worth taking?

As an aside, I noticed Disco took some of the ruck duties in the third and last quarter vs WCE. Maybe that's the thinking while Max is out

Posted
2 hours ago, middleagedemon said:

For the record, I think King is clearly knowledgeable. Much more so than any poster on here given his experience as an AFL player and assistant coach at the level. 

The only problem I have is that AFL media is so ove-saturated and he is on so many programs that he is clearly going to be wrong often given the amount of opinions he needs to give on a weekly basis. 

But his stuff with Daniel Hoyne is great. And first crack generally has some interesting insights. Regardless of whether or not one 'likes' the personality. 

Being an ex-player obviously gives you knowledge that the rest of us don't have.

It doesn't make you a good commentator.

King is not a particularly good commentator, because he says stupid things and changes his opinion all the time.

For example:

  1. A few years back he did a big thing about how the top 8 had the same W-L record against each other. Which was how maths works, not some sort of insight into the evenness of the top 8.
  2. This year he said in April that only three sides could win the flag - Geelong, GWS and Carlton. Those three sides went something like 1-8 over the next three weeks, two of them fell away so much that the debate turned to whether they'd make finals, and his analysis obviously ignored the current flag favourite (Sydney) and the next best side (Fremantle).
  3. Pre-season he said we weren't going to make finals until we beat Carlton in a pre-season match and then he said we would make finals. Which is stupid because pre-season matches shouldn't make that level of difference to your opinion on any side.

I give him plenty of credit for at least looking for the stats and using them when he can. That beats out a fair portion of other commentators who don't even look at the numbers. But that doesn't mean his opinions are good. 

  • Like 7
Posted
5 hours ago, DemonOX said:

Looks like someone else has the same concerns as a few posters on here including myself. 
 

From sen article  

David King is concerned about this call, wondering if the Demons have already lost this game at the selection table.

Not that the scribes are always right, in fact often the reverse, but Sanderson also assumed we would be selecting Fullo as Gawn's replacement (y'day before the teams came out).

He also said he felt we looked better up forward against the Eagles without Petty.

  • Like 1
Posted
23 minutes ago, Queanbeyan Demon said:

Turn it up @picket fence. Down at TH King oval the pockets are deep and wide. My best year was when I only kicked it out of bounds on the full an average of once a quarter. That sounds bad, but we were so [censored] the ball tended to be in my zone a fair bit of the time. Some games it was only me that stood between a 10 goal loss and a 17 goal one.

Copped plenty of floggings on that ground myself a long time ago. Carn the yarras

  • Love 1
Posted

We are winning anyway.

  • Like 5
  • Love 1
Posted

I don’t care who plays ruck as long as it is not JVR. Starting to hit his straps as that big bodied forward that we have been crying out for. Too important to risk him playing there. Happy for him to contest a few in the forward 50 as that is more a wrestle, further that the only time I want him to leave the forward 50 is at 1/4 time, 1/2 time, 3/4 time and at the end of the game.

  • Like 4

Guest
This topic is now closed to further replies.
  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    • No registered users viewing this page.
  • Demonland Forums  

  • Match Previews, Reports & Articles  

    TRAINING: Friday 22nd November 2024

    Demonland Trackwatchers were out in force on a scorching morning out at Gosch's Paddock for the final session before the whole squad reunites for the Preseason Training Camp. DEMONLAND'S PRESEASON TRAINING OBSERVATIONS It’s going to be a scorcher today but I’m in the shade at Gosch’s Paddock ready to bring you some observations from the final session before the Preseason Training Camp next week.  Salem, Fritsch & Campbell are already on the track. Still no number on Campbell’s

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Training Reports 3

    UP IN LIGHTS by Whispering Jack

    Those who watched the 2024 Marsh AFL National Championships closely this year would not be particularly surprised that Melbourne selected Victoria Country pair Harvey Langford and Xavier Lindsay on the first night of the AFL National Draft. The two left-footed midfielders are as different as chalk and cheese but they had similar impacts in their Coates Talent League teams and in the National Championships in 2024. Their interstate side was edged out at the very end of the tournament for tea

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Special Features

    TRAINING: Wednesday 20th November 2024

    It’s a beautiful cool morning down at Gosch’s Paddock and I’ve arrived early to bring you my observations from today’s session. DEMONLAND'S PRESEASON TRAINING OBSERVATIONS Reigning Keith Bluey Truscott champion Jack Viney is the first one out on the track.  Jack’s wearing the red version of the new training guernsey which is the only version available for sale at the Demon Shop. TRAINING: Viney, Clarry, Lever, TMac, Rivers, Petty, McVee, Bowey, JVR, Hore, Tom Campbell (in tr

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Training Reports

    TRAINING: Monday 18th November 2024

    Demonland Trackwatchers ventured down to Gosch's Paddock for the final week of training for the 1st to 4th Years until they are joined by the rest of the senior squad for Preseason Training Camp in Mansfield next week. WAYNE RUSSELL'S PRESEASON TRAINING OBSERVATIONS No Ollie, Chin, Riv today, but Rick & Spargs turned up and McDonald was there in casual attire. Seston, and Howes did a lot of boundary running, and Tom Campbell continued his work with individual trainer in non-MFC

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Training Reports

    2024 Player Reviews: #11 Max Gawn

    Champion ruckman and brilliant leader, Max Gawn earned his seventh All-Australian team blazer and constantly held the team up on his shoulders in what was truly a difficult season for the Demons. Date of Birth: 30 December 1991 Height: 209cm Games MFC 2024: 21 Career Total: 224 Goals MFC 2024: 11 Career Total: 109 Brownlow Medal Votes: 13 Melbourne Football Club: 2nd Best & Fairest: 405 votes

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 12

    2024 Player Reviews: #36 Kysaiah Pickett

    The Demons’ aggressive small forward who kicks goals and defends the Demons’ ball in the forward arc. When he’s on song, he’s unstoppable but he did blot his copybook with a three week suspension in the final round. Date of Birth: 2 June 2001 Height: 171cm Games MFC 2024: 21 Career Total: 106 Goals MFC 2024: 36 Career Total: 161 Brownlow Medal Votes: 3 Melbourne Football Club: 4th Best & Fairest: 369 votes

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 5

    TRAINING: Friday 15th November 2024

    Demonland Trackwatchers took advantage of the beautiful sunshine to head down to Gosch's Paddock and witness the return of Clayton Oliver to club for his first session in the lead up to the 2025 season. DEMONLAND'S PRESEASON TRAINING OBSERVATIONS Clarry in the house!! Training: JVR, McVee, Windsor, Tholstrup, Woey, Brown, Petty, Adams, Chandler, Turner, Bowey, Seston, Kentfield, Laurie, Sparrow, Viney, Rivers, Jefferson, Hore, Howes, Verrall, AMW, Clarry Tom Campbell is here

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Training Reports

    2024 Player Reviews: #7 Jack Viney

    The tough on baller won his second Keith 'Bluey' Truscott Trophy in a narrow battle with skipper Max Gawn and Alex Neal-Bullen and battled on manfully in the face of a number of injury niggles. Date of Birth: 13 April 1994 Height: 178cm Games MFC 2024: 23 Career Total: 219 Goals MFC 2024: 10 Career Total: 66 Brownlow Medal Votes: 8

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 3

    TRAINING: Wednesday 13th November 2024

    A couple of Demonland Trackwatchers braved the rain and headed down to Gosch's paddock to bring you their observations from the second day of Preseason training for the 1st to 4th Year players. DITCHA'S PRESEASON TRAINING OBSERVATIONS I attended some of the training today. Richo spoke to me and said not to believe what is in the media, as we will good this year. Jefferson and Kentfield looked big and strong.  Petty was doing all the training. Adams looked like he was in rehab.  KE

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Training Reports
  • Tell a friend

    Love Demonland? Tell a friend!

×
×
  • Create New...