Strange...

Don't think he would have thought of this when he signed on the dotted line for us...

Massive coaching fail when guys like Grundy, Jordon and Bedford couldn't get going for us, all walk to other clubs and make those teams better.

List management just as bad when we replace them with [censored] like Hunter, Fullarton and Billings.

17 minutes ago, KozzyCan said:

Massive coaching fail when guys like Grundy, Jordon and Bedford couldn't get going for us, all walk to other clubs and make those teams better.

List management just as bad when we replace them with [censored] like Hunter, Fullarton and Billings.

I think Brody is the Swans' biggest weakness next weekend. Longmire will hope that they play Geelong rather than Brisbane. I thought Sweet monstered Brody tonight. The Swans were smashed in clearance.

Grundy's 2023 was better than his 2024

8 hours ago, KozzyCan said:

Massive coaching fail when guys like Grundy, Jordon and Bedford couldn't get going for us, all walk to other clubs and make those teams better.

List management just as bad when we replace them with [censored] like Hunter, Fullarton and Billings.

 The problem with this type of analysis of list management is that the player motives and opposition club enticements are never factored in. It's a very simplistic view that can be summarized as... "Jordan showed signs of being a good AFL player... MFC list management didn't see his worth... Club shipped him out to first buyer that kicked his tyres!" There are many other considerations when it comes to list management in the 'Cap' years! Every other club would have similar stories to tell about the ones that got away as they try to crystal ball future list improvements/team balance. MFC list management has been very good in recent times. It was pivotal in breaking the drought. It has kept us in top four contention up to the final rounds of 2024. That's not to say it has been perfect, but credit where credit is due would make your concerns much more relevant/readable!

8 hours ago, Hawk the Demon said:

I think Brody is the Swans' biggest weakness next weekend. Longmire will hope that they play Geelong rather than Brisbane. I thought Sweet monstered Brody tonight. The Swans were smashed in clearance.

Thanks for posting about football, Hawk - I am saying that seriously - and I agree with you about Grundy.

23 minutes ago, waynewussell said:

 The problem with this type of analysis of list management is that the player motives and opposition club enticements are never factored in. It's a very simplistic view that can be summarized as... "Jordan showed signs of being a good AFL player... MFC list management didn't see his worth... Club shipped him out to first buyer that kicked his tyres!" There are many other considerations when it comes to list management in the 'Cap' years! Every other club would have similar stories to tell about the ones that got away as they try to crystal ball future list improvements/team balance. MFC list management has been very good in recent times. It was pivotal in breaking the drought. It has kept us in top four contention up to the final rounds of 2024. That's not to say it has been perfect, but credit where credit is due would make your concerns much more relevant/readable!

Club didn't value him and didn't give him games, he left seeking greater opportunity and we were left with worse players. Every year since the flag our list has gotten worse because we've lost good players and brought in worse ones.

I don't get why people constantly feel the need to make excuses for poor management. I don't really care if other [censored] clubs have the same problem. I want us to do better than that. It's hardly impossible.

14 minutes ago, KozzyCan said:

Club didn't value him and didn't give him games, he left seeking greater opportunity and we were left with worse players. Every year since the flag our list has gotten worse because we've lost good players and brought in worse ones.

I don't get why people constantly feel the need to make excuses for poor management. I don't really care if other [censored] clubs have the same problem. I want us to do better than that. It's hardly impossible.

better read more carefully... there's still hope for you!

"MFC list management has been very good in recent times. It was pivotal in breaking the drought. It has kept us in top four contention up to the final rounds of 2024. That's not to say it has been perfect, but credit where credit is due would make your concerns much more relevant/readable!"

1 minute ago, waynewussell said:

better read more carefully... there's still hope for you!

"MFC list management has been very good in recent times. It was pivotal in breaking the drought. It has kept us in top four contention up to the final rounds of 2024. That's not to say it has been perfect, but credit where credit is due would make your concerns much more relevant/readable!"

Yeah I'm clearly talking about issues since the flag.

Our list management between 2014 and 2020 was good. I'd like us to get back to that.

Hope that made my post more readable for you, precious.

Brody needs a perm or something.

He looked weird out there with the men last night.

9 hours ago, KozzyCan said:

Massive coaching fail when guys like Grundy, Jordon and Bedford couldn't get going for us, all walk to other clubs and make those teams better.

List management just as bad when we replace them with [censored] like Hunter, Fullarton and Billings.

Both of Jordon and Bedford are playing tagging roles, which Goodwin doesn’t employ.

It’s not necessarily a fail, more that it’s differing tactics.

I guarantee both of them weren’t recruited to be taggers by Sydney & GWS

Good luck to him, I’m happy for him, not once has he bagged our club for the disgraceful way our coach treated him last year.

We have been a shambles since 2021

3 minutes ago, Billy said:

Good luck to him, I’m happy for him, not once has he bagged our club for the disgraceful way our coach treated him last year.

We have been a shambles since 2021

Yep 100% agree! Coz Max and Goodwin could not make it work! Dreadful!

Was the wrong decision, both max and Grundy are no 1 ruckman in any team and that is it. Would have been better for both parties had we gone for a more mobile/forward ruckman instead.

1 hour ago, KozzyCan said:

Club didn't value him and didn't give him games, he left seeking greater opportunity and we were left with worse players. Every year since the flag our list has gotten worse because we've lost good players and brought in worse ones.

I don't get why people constantly feel the need to make excuses for poor management. I don't really care if other [censored] clubs have the same problem. I want us to do better than that. It's hardly impossible.

BUMP THIS🥰

34 minutes ago, Ugottobekidding said:

Was the wrong decision, both max and Grundy are no 1 ruckman in any team and that is it. Would have been better for both parties had we gone for a more mobile/forward ruckman instead.

100%. I proposed at the time that Hayden McLean would have been a better fit than Grundy. Had only played 31 games in 4 years at that stage, so could have been gettable. 

Grundy got beaten in a Preliminary Final by a bloke earning 30% his salary.

Meanwhile the bloke we trusted to be our number one ruckman picked up his seventh All Australian jacket.

I don’t get the hand wringing.

Brodie Grundy is gone. 

There is no connection with Melbourne anymore.

 

13 minutes ago, The heart beats true said:

Grundy got beaten in a Preliminary Final by a bloke earning 30% his salary.

Meanwhile the bloke we trusted to be our number one ruckman picked up his seventh All Australian jacket.

I don’t get the hand wringing.

This.

Grundy, for nearly all the last half of this season, is just a very ordinary player.  In fact, he has really been nothing better than average since 2019.  He was poor last night and was comprehensively cleaned up by Sweet.  According to Champion Data ratings he is the 16th highest rated ruck in the competition this year.  Absolutely do not understand the sense of loss from some on here.  Good on him for being part of a GF side, but this Swans team isn't good because of him.  Heeney, Warner, Gulden set them apart.

Agree with the majority sentiment on here - Grundy was awful last night and has been mediocre, at best, for most of the season. 

His inability to compete with Sweet was one of the only things which kept Port in the game through the middle two quarters. 

It must be tough for Taylor Adams to be missing out when he was in better form than Grundy but can’t get into their stacked midfield. 

Don’t get me wrong, I like Grundy as a person and I really respect how he handled himself from Collingwood to us and then to Sydney in 13 months. If he wins a flag, good on him. But there’s not a shred of me which wishes we didn’t trade him - he’s in no better form than he was when we dropped him last year. 

59 minutes ago, picket fence said:

Yep 100% agree! Coz Max and Goodwin could not make it work! Dreadful!

Ridiculous comment. So Brody had nothing to do with this? He is the victim, and he had no input into how this was going to work? Your default position is always to blame. Has it ever occurred to you that things just don't turn out the way you envisaged. And that no one is to blame. I credit the club for taking the risk and having a go. If we hadn't, you would have been the first to pay out on the club.

19 minutes ago, djr said:

Ridiculous comment. So Brody had nothing to do with this? He is the victim, and he had no input into how this was going to work? Your default position is always to blame. Has it ever occurred to you that things just don't turn out the way you envisaged. And that no one is to blame. I credit the club for taking the risk and having a go. If we hadn't, you would have been the first to pay out on the club.

So .... giving Max more time forward would'nt stretch defences? And prolong his career?? Hnmm thats what I would have done! Stuff this no 1 ruckman ideology, its a team game. Norm Smith would certainly agree.

Edited September 21, 2024Sep 21 by picket fence

3 hours ago, waynewussell said:

 The problem with this type of analysis of list management is that the player motives and opposition club enticements are never factored in. It's a very simplistic view that can be summarized as... "Jordan showed signs of being a good AFL player... MFC list management didn't see his worth... Club shipped him out to first buyer that kicked his tyres!" There are many other considerations when it comes to list management in the 'Cap' years! Every other club would have similar stories to tell about the ones that got away as they try to crystal ball future list improvements/team balance. MFC list management has been very good in recent times. It was pivotal in breaking the drought. It has kept us in top four contention up to the final rounds of 2024. That's not to say it has been perfect, but credit where credit is due would make your concerns much more relevant/readable!

Agree list mgt has been good picking kids etc .. but last 3 yrs to consider what’s walked vs what we got in was a massive failure and weakened our list with the retirement of Brayshaw , Oliver issues & Trac injury..  apart from Billing’s who only is getting a game due to injuries the rest are at Casey & Schache delisted & perhaps more should also go starting with Hunter due to form and other issues 

5 minutes ago, picket fence said:

So .... giving Max more time forward would'nt stretch defences? And prolong his career?? Hnmm thats what I would have done!

You don't think having Max, the best ruckman of the last 20 years if not of all time playing in his best position would be a better option?

Max is not and never has been a forward, that's in part why the Grundy experiment didn't work.