PREGAME: Rd 13 vs Collingwood

[Demonland 73,266]

[SPC 3,571]

13 minutes ago, Demonland said:

Proof will be in the pudding. Hopefully the boys are not eating too much of it, in season.

[John Demonic 5,870]

8 hours ago, Dee*ceiving said:

Don't disagree, it is harsh to retain Petty and drop Tommo but we have no choice. 

Petty has greater upside and we need him to show something because there's a good chance he asks to be traded at the end of the year. ATM he'd be worth a half eaten four 'n twenty and an egg flip Big M

Sabotage our team chemistry and persist with a non-contributor in the hope that they turn it around... for pick 23? Because we're sure as hell not getting pick 5 unless he turns into Ben King or Darcy Moore.

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

1 hour ago, Bates Mate said:

Fritsch did a great job on him in last year's Kings birthday game. He needs a task to keep his mind in the game been way too in and out of games all year

Yes point well made BM

[beelzebub 23,388]

28 minutes ago, Demonland said:

 

And he should know.

Fight on Max 

[beelzebub 23,388]

25 minutes ago, Demonland said:

So enlighten us Simon...

What were the reasons......

?? 

[Deemania since 56 6,738]

3 hours ago, Demon17 said:

I'm with Nathan Buckley on this week.

Its not the result, and its not the opposition,.  Its all about the team showing heart and effort.

Was last week an aberration - maybe?

  A win won't fix anything because the pies will be so undermanned thus that will be the media commentary, . but that's not the point. 

Its how they go about the endeavour - yes I'm looking at you Bailey (for one)

These were some very good thoughts to take into account, and to address.

[Dee*ceiving 1,699]

I understand people being critical of Fritsch but his job has been difficult all year with Petty offering nothing JVR in and out of the ruck. It became even more difficult with kozzy and anb out of the forward line and McAdam in the forward line.

He's supposed to be the dangerous third/medium forward, as he was in 21.  Not the only forward!  

[At the break of Gawn 4,460]

1 hour ago, Demonland said:

Thanks for posting this. It sounds like this week there'll be a much stronger focus on our DNA (territory game). 

[titan_uranus 25,057]

4 hours ago, Dee*ceiving said:

I understand people being critical of Fritsch but his job has been difficult all year with Petty offering nothing JVR in and out of the ruck. It became even more difficult with kozzy and anb out of the forward line and McAdam in the forward line.

He's supposed to be the dangerous third/medium forward, as he was in 21.  Not the only forward!  

I've said a few times now this week but potting the forwards isn't the right analysis after a game in which we were pathetic at clearance, contest and territory.

[Roger Mellie 4,148]

Last week, Collingwood's forward line was:

Hill Shultz Harrison

McCreary Lipinski Frampton

Howe and Markov also spent time there.

We don't need three talls (plodding it up) for that line-up - at the very least, Tommo out.

[Kent 2,916]

12 hours ago, At the break of Gawn said:

Thanks for posting this. It sounds like this week there'll be a much stronger focus on our DNA (territory game). 

what was posted?

 

[D Rev 631]

1 hour ago, Roger Mellie said:

Last week, Collingwood's forward line was:

Hill Shultz Harrison

McCreary Lipinski Frampton

Howe and Markov also spent time there.

We don't need three talls (plodding it up) for that line-up - at the very least, Tommo out.

Is it just me that can't see the name Frampton without thinking of Peter Frampton?

[Demon17 5,212]

13 hours ago, Dee*ceiving said:

I understand people being critical of Fritsch but his job has been difficult all year with Petty offering nothing JVR in and out of the ruck. It became even more difficult with kozzy and anb out of the forward line and McAdam in the forward line.

He's supposed to be the dangerous third/medium forward, as he was in 21.  Not the only forward!  

Don't get me wrong.  Bailey kicks 6 in a GF and will be forever in my heart.  Not the easiest job in the team that he has to fulfil. 

[Deemania since 56 6,738]

41 minutes ago, D Rev said:

Is it just me that can't see the name Frampton without thinking of Peter Frampton?

Do you feel like I do? Same thoughts...

[At the break of Gawn 4,460]

1 hour ago, Kent said:

what was posted?

 

Go up the top of the page. Goody interview on 3AW

[Gawndy the Great 9,011]

10 hours ago, titan_uranus said:

I've said a few times now this week but potting the forwards isn't the right analysis after a game in which we were pathetic at clearance, contest and territory.

I dont think its really ever been about the forwards, ever. Even during the 22/23 campaigns. I'm not going to defend Petty's recent performances because there are ways you can get yourself into the game (same for McAdam).

The issue has always been our f50 connection and method moving the ball into forward 50.

Does Collingwood have a star studded forwardline? What about the Swans? The answer is no. Can we improve the forward line performance - absolutely but it wont change the root cause of our woes. 

In a hypothetical experiment, if we were to swap JVR/Petty with Curnow/Mckay and keep our midfield VS swapping Trac/Oliver/Viney(2024 version) with Heeney/Warner whilst keeping our forwards, which do you think would make a bigger difference? 

The answer is the later. Our midfield whilst strong at contest and defence (over the last 4 years) is a butcher by foot. Always has been and always will be. Our game plan has to recognise that this will not change without changing our personnel.

So we should go back to our original plan and look to improve accuracy and f50 connection. Accept that its not perfect and it has its vulnerabilities and that our main scoring sources are stoppage based not turnover which puts us on the back foot for winning flags. We managed to win one and the buck the trend. Carlton are in a similar position to us. 

[Dee*ceiving 1,699]

I honestly believe we'd be a much better team with McKay and Curnow instead of Petty and JVR. 

Defienitely no less that 4 points better on the ladder because we woud have beaten Carlton.

[John Crow Batty 8,879]

3 hours ago, D Rev said:

Is it just me that can't see the name Frampton without thinking of Peter Frampton?

Reminded me of his camel.

[Sir Why You Little 37,242]

Should i tip The MFC? Can i trust them to respond?

Is Goodwin going to allow Clarrie to play his natural game 

Very difficult decision…🧐

[cookieboc 780]

with all the doom and gloom about MFC this week, wouldnt it be great to knock those [censored] off on Monday

[No. 31 1,369]

4 hours ago, Gawndy the Great said:

I dont think its really ever been about the forwards, ever. Even during the 22/23 campaigns. I'm not going to defend Petty's recent performances because there are ways you can get yourself into the game (same for McAdam).

The issue has always been our f50 connection and method moving the ball into forward 50.

Does Collingwood have a star studded forwardline? What about the Swans? The answer is no. Can we improve the forward line performance - absolutely but it wont change the root cause of our woes. 

In a hypothetical experiment, if we were to swap JVR/Petty with Curnow/Mckay and keep our midfield VS swapping Trac/Oliver/Viney(2024 version) with Heeney/Warner whilst keeping our forwards, which do you think would make a bigger difference? 

The answer is the later. Our midfield whilst strong at contest and defence (over the last 4 years) is a butcher by foot. Always has been and always will be. Our game plan has to recognise that this will not change without changing our personnel.

So we should go back to our original plan and look to improve accuracy and f50 connection. Accept that its not perfect and it has its vulnerabilities and that our main scoring sources are stoppage based not turnover which puts us on the back foot for winning flags. We managed to win one and the buck the trend. Carlton are in a similar position to us. 

Agree with all of that! Save to add that Carlton has been working on improving accuracy into f50 and turnover strategy (and playing around with different strategies arguably cost us some losses last year and maybe this year too but will hopefully help us evolve into a more balanced side). Carlton is a team that is still evolving. Just look at Patrick Cripps, in past years his delivery into f50 usually consisted of just bombing it it. Definitely more targeted now and his goal kicking has really improved too. Players like Jordan Boyd and Elijah Hollands have also improved the Blues in this aspect as well I say. Still need Sam Walsh to improve on his kicking efficiency into f50 🤞

[No. 31 1,369]

1 hour ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Is Goodwin going to allow Clarrie to play his natural game 

I would. Has no choice really. Dees have to get back to basics, what they know and what their strengths are. C'Wood with their outs are definitely gettable!

[Sir Why You Little 37,242]

38 minutes ago, No. 31 said:

I would. Has no choice really. Dees have to get back to basics, what they know and what their strengths are. C'Wood with their outs are definitely gettable!

So would i, But the Coach can be stubborn at times. 
This really is a very important game, in more ways than just 4 points….

[titan_uranus 25,057]

5 hours ago, Gawndy the Great said:

I dont think its really ever been about the forwards, ever. Even during the 22/23 campaigns. I'm not going to defend Petty's recent performances because there are ways you can get yourself into the game (same for McAdam).

The issue has always been our f50 connection and method moving the ball into forward 50.

Does Collingwood have a star studded forwardline? What about the Swans? The answer is no. Can we improve the forward line performance - absolutely but it wont change the root cause of our woes. 

In a hypothetical experiment, if we were to swap JVR/Petty with Curnow/Mckay and keep our midfield VS swapping Trac/Oliver/Viney(2024 version) with Heeney/Warner whilst keeping our forwards, which do you think would make a bigger difference? 

The answer is the later. Our midfield whilst strong at contest and defence (over the last 4 years) is a butcher by foot. Always has been and always will be. Our game plan has to recognise that this will not change without changing our personnel.

So we should go back to our original plan and look to improve accuracy and f50 connection. Accept that its not perfect and it has its vulnerabilities and that our main scoring sources are stoppage based not turnover which puts us on the back foot for winning flags. We managed to win one and the buck the trend. Carlton are in a similar position to us. 

I sort of agree. Certainly right now it’s almost all on the midfield and backline. 

But our forwards don’t lead well, don’t block well, the tall forwards don’t all pressure well, and aren’t all good at ground balls. At least part of our struggles comes from the forwards.