POSTGAME: Rd 10 vs West Coast

[Demon Dynasty 17,130]

58 minutes ago, Lord Travis said:

Hard to fathom we not only lost to such a bad team, but got dominated in every facet of the game. That was as bad a loss as we've ever had under Goodwin. Our midfield is spluttering along. What has happened? Has Mcqualter derailed whatever synergy they used to have? Genuinely confused how one of the most dominant midfields this century has turned to rubbish with largely the same personnel on field. 

Because we are attempting to find avenues to goal due to having no genuine Medium/KFs other than Fritta kicking goals on a regular basis.

So we play Tracc alot more minutes forward to try and counter.  Match against the Blues a great example.

Clarry is a shadow of his former self from 2016/17 onwards this year.  He also started to lose some of his extraction work for whatever reason towards the end of last season, leaving that mostly to Viney from then onwards.

Shut Viney down effectively and we lack the ability for extraction and first use, especially with Clarry not firing at his previous level and Tracc up forward so much.  Having said that, Tracc is more or a receiver / clearance player than an extractor / first use type, but a very good one of course.

Sparrow has not come on as we might have hoped to fill the missing hole of Gus.  He occasionally plays a 'pass mark' game but then goes missing for massive chunks in a game like tonight.

And the mid field performance we watched tonight was after a 10 day break!

Unfortunately there's no one ready to come in from Casey as we speak (mid field wise) that might offer some improvement although i would def consider bringing in Moniz for Billings to play a HHF role and a close to goal role for Kozzy when he's running through the middle.

The other option is Sestan who kicked 4 for Casey but doesn't seem to have the four quarter tank and second efforts as yet.  Very good inside 50 though for a few quarters.

Neither of our two so called 'speed forwards' in Kozzy or Chandler  bothered the scorer tonight.

Add to that only 1 opportunist goal from one of our two KFs and you have yourself a recipe for disaster as we are too reliant on one player, Fritta, to kick most of our goals.

We also have a stubborn Coaching panel who seem hell bent on playing a plus one behind the ball instead of evening up the numbers at stoppage, even after witnessing that we are being beaten soundly in this area for the first few quarters.

Most oppos play a plus one at stoppage against us and its working to great effect this season in a number of matches.  To lose clearances badly most weeks and expect to counter that, plus some, by intercepting with your plus one off HB and outscoring the oppo that way is frought with danger and putting far too much pressure on your defenders and mids imho.

The game style needs to have a better balance of wins from stoppage vs so much reliance on the turnover game.  Especially when you aren't a very good transition team like us.

Edited May 19, 2024 by Demon Dynasty

[ANG13 2,086]

1 minute ago, Bowserpower said:

I don't see why so many people are down on us. We're a good side, we just got beaten by a much better side tonight. It's hard to go to Perth, plus we weren't even that bad!

We'll knock off the Saints next week and be back to our winning ways.

We must have watched different games, we were putrid tonight. 

[layzie 34,337]

2 minutes ago, Bowserpower said:

I don't see why so many people are down on us. We're a good side, we just got beaten by a much better side tonight. It's hard to go to Perth, plus we weren't even that bad!

We'll knock off the Saints next week and be back to our winning ways.

I really, really, really want what you're having..

[Abyssal 470]

1 minute ago, DubDee said:

so who is killing it at Casey that you would have brought in?

you can’t go on that rant without at least providing an alternative 

It wasn’t just about tonight, this has been brewing since October 2021.

To answer your question, Fullarton.

But the fact we are almost bereft of talent at Casey must be an indictment on the Club as well.

 

[Doug Reemer 1,208]

17 minutes ago, At the break of Gawn said:

Oliver and Petracca have only once finished in the top 5 disposal getters together this season (against the Dogs). 

Jack Viney has not had more than 25 disposals in a game this season.

This three headed monster midfield, once even compared to Judd, Kerr and Cousins, is just a shell of its former self..

 

This is 680% correct!

The midfield is just as lame a the fwd line atm!

[Doug Reemer 1,208]

3 minutes ago, Abyssal said:

Fullarton

Another soft Key Forward. That’ll save us.

[RedFox 534]

Seems like we are severely lacking centre square depth ATM. Very much starting to feel the loss of gus and Jordon as depth

[Abyssal 470]

Just now, Doug Reemer said:

Another soft Key Forward. That’ll save us.

Very selective of you.

Did you read the rest for context ?

When you do, I’ll read your counter.

[BoBo 2,953]

 

 

10% less disposal efficiency turning over the ball 10 more times, with eagles intercepting 10 more times than us leading to 21 more inside fifties for Eagles which produced:

10 goals from turnovers for them.

1 goal from turnover for us. 
 

We won a lot of stats:

We won hit outs, stoppage clearance and clearances and we got 6 more free kicks. 
 

We were also more efficient going forward but not by a lot. Obvs with a lot less entries. 

I’m not a stats guy but this tells a story. They won by converting turnovers into goals. 

[DeeZone 10,403]

Fullarton should have played tonight not BBB, that would have allowed Petty to go back and try to curb their attack and he would have provided a chop out for Max.

[At Least I Saw a Flag 5,315]

1 minute ago, BoBo said:

 

 

10% less disposal efficiency turning over the ball 10 more times, with eagles intercepting 10 more times than us leading to 21 more inside fifties for Eagles which produced:

10 goals from turnovers for them.

1 goal from turnover for us. 
 

We won a lot of stats:

We won hit outs, stoppage clearance and clearances and we got 6 more free kicks. 
 

We were also more efficient going forward but not by a lot. Obvs with a lot less entries. 

I’m not a stats guy but this tells a story. They won by converting turnovers into goals. 

I'm surprised we won the clearances. However, that stat doesn't mention the quality of the clearances. I think overall their clearances were cleaner.

 

 

 

[DubDee 26,306]

7 minutes ago, Abyssal said:

It wasn’t just about tonight, this has been brewing since October 2021.

To answer your question, Fullarton.

But the fact we are almost bereft of talent at Casey must be an indictment on the Club as well.

 

I get your frustration but we didn’t lose it at selection 

by your own admission Fullarton wouldn’t have been the difference 

[JJJ 1,333]

It probably looks like I am a dog with a bone regarding this BUT play Petty down back!!!

He’s not a forward.

We should lean into what we know we can do. Defend. Stack the defence and play a smaller, faster forward line until some bigger blokes start to demand selection. (I wouldn’t select Jefferson right now)

Lever is a known out but let’s assume JVR is available and Lingers is an automatic in.

Backs: McVee, May, Salem 

Backs: McDonald, Petty, Rivers

Centre: Lingers, Viney, Woewodin

Forwards: Windsor, Petracca, Pickett

Forwards: Fritsch, McAdam, K.Brown

Rucks: Gawn, Oliver, ANB

JVR, Chandler, Howes, Sparrow 

sub Tholstrup

Outs: Bowza, B. Brown, Lever

Ins: K.Brown, JVR, Lingers

Kynan Brown, I believe, could play a role for us to help retain the ball up forward. Langdon is vital to our structure and even though he is out of form and needs a run at Casey, I’d bring JVR in to replace BBB. Bowery needs to go back and get the ball 40 times and stick some tackles before coming back. I wouldn’t drop Howes but I would like to see him tried further up the ground for a week or 2.

Once Lever is healthy enough to come back I’d line up T-Mac to be replaced.

I don’t see how we can use the first 10 games as a launching pad to the ultimate success this year but we can teach some young players how to defend before re-loading for 2025. 

[Lou C. Fur 1,009]

35 minutes ago, layzie said:

All I can I hope for right now is no bloodshed on DL tonight. Everyone is devastated and we don't need a bar-room brawl. 

 

[layzie 34,337]

2 minutes ago, BoBo said:

 

 

10% less disposal efficiency turning over the ball 10 more times, with eagles intercepting 10 more times than us leading to 21 more inside fifties for Eagles which produced:

10 goals from turnovers for them.

1 goal from turnover for us. 
 

We won a lot of stats:

We won hit outs, stoppage clearance and clearances and we got 6 more free kicks. 
 

We were also more efficient going forward but not by a lot. Obvs with a lot less entries. 

I’m not a stats guy but this tells a story. They won by converting turnovers into goals. 

10 goals from turnover for them, 1 for us.

In a game style where that stat matters that's game over right there.

[BoBo 2,953]

2 minutes ago, Winners at last said:

I'm surprised we won the clearances. However, that stat doesn't mention the quality of the clearances. I think overall their clearances were cleaner.

 

 

 

Yeah 100%, our clearances seemed to be:

handball, handball, handball, we get tackled, they run away with it. 

[Left Foot Snap 2,561]

12 minutes ago, YesitwasaWin4theAges said:

Like I've previously said I'm completely embarrassed with the performance tonight no excuses.

I will hold off on the premature "Not a contender talk".

I will reserve my judgement until after the next month of Football.

I reckon 15 wins will get you in the top 4 this year as teams are knocking off each other in and around the 8, so there is still plenty to play for but tonight's result is alarming non the less.

Our greatest mistake was made at the end of 22 with the recruitment of Grundy when we should have pursued and placed our resources into a Powerhouse Forward.

Which one?

[frankie_d 1,471]

11 minutes ago, Red But Mostly Blue said:

Can someone please tell me if Goody’s presser is worth watching with some tangible ‘learnings’ (like what we’re going to do about our slow starts, taking teams for granted, where our midfield has gone in 2024 etc), or if it’s just going to bum me out even more than I am now.

WC very good
MFC not very good
Work to do by everyone coaches and players
Nothing of value - but there never is in Goodwin's press conferences, and I can understand why. Incredibly frustrating, but why would he give anything to a pack of hyenas?
 

[DemonWA 3,940]

Especially shocked and disgusted by the vitriol on here tonight. You'd think we just lost by 187 points. 

All the fair weather supporters can f%$k off. Microwave your memberships and go and support Tassie. 

 

[MurDoc516 1,529]

Back home from the game now.

Every single player was pathetic. Billings and McAdam absolute fumblers, no good.

Gawn, Oliver, Viney, Petracca, May and Salem, if you want to be paid well, you can't pick and choose when you turn up. Absolute garbage from all of them.

Ben Brown shouldn't be getting games, he's finished.

[ElDiablo14 5,036]

23 minutes ago, Red But Mostly Blue said:

A very big issue that has been largely overlooked. 

There is not much we can do.

Oliver a shell of his former self.

Brayshaw forced to retire.

Sparrow not the arrival we were promised.

No more JJ or Harmsey.

What else do we have?

On top of that Petracca has to spend half the game in our fwd line because we can't generate goals.

[Gawndy the Great 9,011]

1 hour ago, Red But Mostly Blue said:

To all the posters saying a 6-7 goal win was guaranteed/a must - that mentality is exactly why we lost. Because it was shared by this team. We expected to walk up and win, but the Eagles, like every other team know that if you show up and work hard from the first bounce, you can beat us. Which they did, but in truth they humbled us, and we were also embarrassed by a first year player.

Our midfield is non existent. Our backline was woeful. Cant blame Lever, as you cannot say we are nothing without one guy. 

Umpiring didn’t cost us. 

Outmarked and outworked everywhere.

A disgrace. The team wants to talk about earning respect? None. Zero for tonight and last week we did nothing for a whole half+ 

So disappointed. 

No I disagree. Talent wise that is what is expected of us. 

You cannot fault the Eagles effort and intensity. That is a team that is in the hunt and eager.

Something don’t smell right with this team. To look that flat and chasing tale off a 10 day break ? I mean seriously we should have been all over them. 
 

what about out contest work ? What in hell is going on there? We saw the intensity of the last quarter last week and that is what I expected all game as a response. 

I know we will string a few good games together but our weaknesses are for all to see. This new game plan will not solve anything. 

Our midfield is overrated. A kid with 9 games just showed the world that fact. 

And to think this team is missing their key forward and best ball user. Who were we missing besides Lever? JVR has he even kicked 10 goals? Turner is still wet behind the ears.

We should have let Petty go to the Crows and given the kitchen sink for Reid. 
 

[Pirlo 813]

First time another team has done what they wanted with us for about four years. Since the Cairns debacle, we have either been in every game or had a real off day. The boys tried today, but a fitter, younger, hungrier team made them look old. Reid is worth the hype and we didn't have an answer. He made Oliver and Trac look like yesterday's news, just bounced off them. 

Our ressies are getting smashed every other week. We've got a bunch of absolute journeymen in and around the team, and no real hot talent to bring in with the exception of Tholstrup who looked a long way off and plays in a position we're well stocked in. 

Its 2024 and our tall forward options are Brown, Petty, van Rooyen, Fullarton, Turner, Schache, Jefferson. Just hopeless mismanagement when you look at it in the cold light of day. All our money is spent on the midfield and defence. The defenders were terrible but deserve a mulligan. The mids have been smashed around the ball all year. 

[YesitwasaWin4theAges 6,766]

Unfortunately BBB an amazing contributor to our football club in the past 4 years is easily counteracted when the ball hits the ground.

On deeper reflection I thought the missing presence and importance of Disco and JVR was telling tonight.

 

[BoBo 2,953]

3 minutes ago, layzie said:

10 goals from turnover for them, 1 for us.

In a game style where that stat matters that's game over right there.

Absolutely. I did notice that they always seemed to have a player ready to tackle/spoil any handball receiver from us the whole game. Was definitely a game plan of theirs and it nullified us.