Kozzy bump on Soligo

[deanox 10,023]

Footage on the AFL app if you missed it.

Gut and heart says he has to go. We've got a duty of care to protect the head and he did get him.

Ironically it was close to the Maynard rule, jumping to smother and then caught him high.

There are actually some technical aspects to it:

Will they charge him under the specific rule for smother that they brought in? Or regular old high bump? Or rough conduct (they then don't need to prove it's a bump).

First look he almost pokes the elbow out but then tucks it in. Does that make it worse? Or is it actually evidence of him trying to tuck in to avoid elbow to the head.

Also, one mitigating factor for Kosi is that he had open jazz hands not clenched fists when the contact happened. The tribunal has used clenched fists and tense muscles as a proxy for bracing and bumping, as opposed to open hands, which they claim demonstrates a you didn't expect the contact and tried to show a duty of care to the played in an accidental situation. Bizarre but they've written that multiple times in their official adjudications.

One to watch.

Edited April 4, 2024 by deanox
No changes, just noting that the open hands I think is demonstrating "body position that minimises the force of the contact"

[Demonland 73,265]

 

[Demonland 73,265]

 

 

[dl4e 5,851]

Brisbane will be happy. Nothing in it but he will get a week.

[Redleg 41,712]

He is not a Pie, so gone.

It didn't end a star's career.

It didn't concuss.

It didn't injure.

It was light impact.

It won't matter.

[Jaded No More 68,974]

Optics = bad = gone 

One day this boy will miss a Grand Final.  He should only get a week as impact is low. But really just unnecessary. 

[DEE fence 5,042]

I think Kozzie's direction might save him from 2 weeks, I'd take one on the basic premise of protecting the head. In real time looks innocent and actually much more innocent that the Bailey Smith incident, slow mow looks like he lined him up. But both running in same direction and looks like he was trying to squeeze past Soligo. He also seemed apologetic which is unlike him.

Must admit will Kill me being first team to have a suspension from the 'Dog' rule.

[dee-tox 4,835]

Bit unlucky I thought. In real time it is just a glancing blow. He was off balance a bit....

[deanox 10,023]

Careless/low/high = fine apparently but medium impact would be 1 week.

 

Also here is the wording of the new smoother rule. I truly believe they could just have charged Maynard under existing rough conduct rules.

 

Edited April 4, 2024 by deanox

[Guest]

Looks like careless conduct to me, with low impact but was high. Should equal a fine.

No doubt won't cos Koz.

[DemonWA 3,936]

Hoping for a week or 2 downgraded to a fine. If Sicily got off, there is a glimmer of hope

[YesitwasaWin4theAges 6,711]

I don't reckon the impact was hard enough personally to get suspended, Soligo played on after it.

No momentum going through contact.

Fight to get it downgraded to a fine.

Edited April 4, 2024 by YesitwasaWin4theAges

[Ethan Tremblay 31,165]

9 minutes ago, deanox said:

I truly believe they could just have charged Maynard under existing rough conduct rules.

100% they could have. 

Kozzie should be fined, but we all know he’s going to get a week. It’s easier for the AFL to justify a suspension as opposed to a fine. 

Edited April 4, 2024 by Ethan Tremblay

[GCDee 3,199]

13 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

Optics = bad = gone 

One day this boy will miss a Grand Final.  He should only get a week as impact is low. But really just unnecessary. 

It’ll be graded as Carless under the new rules. 
If it’s graded as Carless, high contact, low impact it’s a fine. 
If it’s considered medium impact it’ll be 1 week max 

[Jaded No More 68,974]

Just now, GCDee said:

It’ll be graded as Carless under the new rules. 
If it’s graded as Carless, high contact, low impact it’s a fine. 
If it’s considered medium impact it’ll be 1 week max 

If graded medium we will go the tribunal and argue to downgrade it to low since there was no impact.

[Fat Tony 5,290]

Pickett looked to jump up and land in the same spot rather than towards the player with the ball. Hard to argue he has done a lot wrong IMO. 

[Fromgotowoewodin 1,606]

Clearly Koz just needs to go around with a bottle of wine and some flowers for Mrs Soligo and we can put this all behind us and move on to the Lions

[hemingway 7,633]

Kozzy is getting a reputation and a track record that is not good. Times have changed since Uncle Byron played. I suspect his on field behaviour is “in the blood” but his indiscretions are undisciplined and unnecessary. One day it may well cost the team and the Club dearly. 

[Dave1711 145]

28 minutes ago, deanox said:

Footage on the AFL app if you missed it.

Gut and heart says he has to go. We've got a duty of care to protect the head and he did get him.

Ironically it was close to the Maynard rule, jumping to smother and then caught him high.

There are actually some technical aspects to it:

Will they charge him under the specific rule for smother that they brought in? Or regular old high bump? Or rough conduct (they then don't need to prove it's a bump).

First look he almost pokes the elbow out but then tucks it in. Does that make it worse? Or is it actually evidence of him trying to tuck in to avoid elbow to the head.

Also, one mitigating factor for Kosi is that he had open jazz hands not clenched fists when the contact happened. The tribunal has used clenched fists and tense muscles as a proxy for bracing and bumping, as opposed to open hands, which they claim demonstrates a you didn't expect the contact and tried to show a duty of care to the played in an accidental situation. Bizarre but they've written that multiple times in their official adjudications.

One to watch.

One week

[sisso 2,580]

Should be low impact and a fine was only a brush really

[spirit of norm smith 16,596]

He has to apologize. I think should be graded as Careless, high contact, low impact … it’s a fine. But it’s kozzzy so one week. 

[Sir Why You Little 37,239]

If he gets a week I would challenge it, it’s borderline. Worth a fight 

[Lou C. Fur 1,009]

Max gets hit in the head twice as hard as this multiple times EVERY game and it never gets reported,

This incident, whilst duly making contact to the head with the shoulder was nonetheless light. Soligo was not concussed. Soligo played on immediately. Come on.

Fine. $3750 downgraded to $2500 with an early guilty plea.

 

[Skuit 10,031]

8 minutes ago, GCDee said:

It’ll be graded as Carless under the new rules. 
If it’s graded as Carless, high contact, low impact it’s a fine. 
If it’s considered medium impact it’ll be 1 week max 

This would have been a been a useful grading for a number of players over the years, including Clarry, Jurrah and Hogan. As to Pickett's stray elbow, nothing in it. But two of my most frustrating things in life are the sudden emergence of the word 'bias' as an adjective/adverb and MFC players being used as test cases. Viney, Trengove, ANB, and JVR just to name a few in recent years. 

[darkhorse72 1,925]

unintentional and low impact.  The only thing that might get him is the elbow extends as he goes past. 

Hopefully just a fine, but we'll see.