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Well done to Max and Richo for recent media messaging strategy.

Max is representing the players admirably and interestingly was lead skipper on the interview front at yesterday's launch. With Bont running  second. Age's lead article was Max today. Face it he's way more interesting to the media anyway.

But...the clever component was Richo's sneaky aside to tim Watson last week that the Dee's are near the bottom of the hair testing ladder. Firstly we didn't know there was one.

Secondly upwards of maybe 16 clubs have more issues and by the media"s definition poorer culture than us. But no one is following this thread lest we find heaven forbid the Pies are top of the ladder.

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2 hours ago, Demon17 said:

Well done to Max and Richo for recent media messaging strategy.

Max is representing the players admirably and interestingly was lead skipper on the interview front at yesterday's launch. With Bont running  second. Age's lead article was Max today. Face it he's way more interesting to the media anyway.

But...the clever component was Richo's sneaky aside to tim Watson last week that the Dee's are near the bottom of the hair testing ladder. Firstly we didn't know there was one.

Secondly upwards of maybe 16 clubs have more issues and by the media"s definition poorer culture than us. But no one is following this thread lest we find heaven forbid the Pies are top of the ladder.

Do you have a link to the Richo reference re hair testing ladder?  I can't seem to find any reference.

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2 hours ago, Demon17 said:

Secondly upwards of maybe 16 clubs have more issues and by the media"s definition poorer culture than us. But no one is following this thread lest we find heaven forbid the Pies are top of the ladder.

Pies are the greatest team ever and anything that does not fit that narrative is ignored. Can't have the biggest cash generator in turmoil. Dillon's bonus might be affected.

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4 hours ago, Katrina Dee Fan said:

Do you have a link to the Richo reference re hair testing ladder?  I can't seem to find any reference.

Tim Watson discussed it specifcally on SEN to Gary Lyon noting the bizarre openess of Richo and this being one of the interview highlights about the Dees he gleaned when discussing culture..  Last week he did a special interview for Ch 7 with Richo.

Tim's take was if the ladder exists, and it probably does, why is it secret?

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5 hours ago, Great Sage said:

Great observation and surprised/not surprised that media have not run with this.

It’s also subtle messaging to AFL ahead of any additional findings findings in Smith investigation. 

 

 

My thoughts at the time exactly.  Richo doesn't do random. This was well thought out inside the Dees.

Its a case of now from us of  "...You know that we know...  beware lest you cast the first stone...."

Who supplied Ginnivan his white powder?

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4 hours ago, Katrina Dee Fan said:

Do you have a link to the Richo reference re hair testing ladder?  I can't seem to find any reference.

The discussion was  on SEN on 22 Feb  and its on SEN'd podcast for their Breakfast show.  Its a 6 minute clip of the show and Tim talks about the hair testing ladder just after Max's part of the clip around 1 Minute 35secs into the clip

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Link to SEN clip referenced

https://dcs.megaphone.fm/NTETP9608258653.mp3?key=40f3c002d3ea4a2fd4a47461689a2f21&request_event_id=eb3d06c3-e933-445f-957b-c577114cabfd&source=3

Hopefully that works, it did for me. Found with Demon17's guide above. Worth listening too and no surprise not covered broadly in the media. Credit to Tim and Garry for referencing. 

Garry's points are also correct. No point complaining (though we are right to be advocating for ourselves) 

 

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Speaking of media, why isn’t there a suggestion that the launch of a premiership film by the Pies tonight, a week before the next season starts,  a case of over-celebration/ drinking their own bath water? 

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On 28/02/2024 at 13:42, Dee*ceiving said:

Link to SEN clip referenced

https://dcs.megaphone.fm/NTETP9608258653.mp3?key=40f3c002d3ea4a2fd4a47461689a2f21&request_event_id=eb3d06c3-e933-445f-957b-c577114cabfd&source=3

Hopefully that works, it did for me. Found with Demon17's guide above. Worth listening too and no surprise not covered broadly in the media. Credit to Tim and Garry for referencing. 

Garry's points are also correct. No point complaining (though we are right to be advocating for ourselves) 

 

Thanks.

Haven't listened yet - what's was Garry Lyons take?

It's been somewhat disappointing for one of our past greats in David Schwarz to go adding to the pile on without any real evidence to speak of:

https://wwos.nine.com.au/afl/news-2024-melbourne-demons-david-schwarz-clayton-oliver-joel-smith-troubles/15b35324-f219-45f1-8be9-49553ebbb778

BTW, from what I recall of the story of Schwartz's influence on club culture with gambling, he's the last one that should be having go at the club on this basis or blasting other player's for their off feild problems - apparently some forms of addiction and abuse are more forgivable than others.  Loved him as a player (On feild), but from what I can see, I think his contribution to the club since has been overly negative and critical at times, which is disappointing.

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On 27/02/2024 at 10:44, Demon17 said:

But...the clever component was Richo's sneaky aside to tim Watson last week that the Dee's are near the bottom of the hair testing ladder. Firstly we didn't know there was one.

Secondly upwards of maybe 16 clubs have more issues and by the media"s definition poorer culture than us. But no one is following this thread lest we find heaven forbid the Pies are top of the ladder.

I think it's about time the AFL step up and defend the MFC a bit more on this one - but they won't, because they'd rather leave us as scape goat than deal with things than have more open and reasonable discussion that spoke about recreational drug use across the industry and comunity in general.

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13 minutes ago, Rodney (Balls) Grinter said:

Thanks.

Haven't listened yet - what's was Garry Lyons take?

It's been somewhat disappointing for one of our past greats in David Schwarz to go adding to the pile on without any real evidence to speak of:

https://wwos.nine.com.au/afl/news-2024-melbourne-demons-david-schwarz-clayton-oliver-joel-smith-troubles/15b35324-f219-45f1-8be9-49553ebbb778

BTW, from what I recall of the story of Schwartz's influence on club culture with gambling, he's the last one that should be having go at the club on this basis or blasting other player's for their off feild problems - apparently some forms of addiction and abuse are more forgivable than others.  Loved him as a player (On feild), but from what I can see, I think his contribution to the club since has been overly negative and critical at times, which is disappointing.

Whenever the Ox has had a go at The Club, it has been warranted 

He loves the place. 

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12 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Whenever the Ox has had a go at The Club, it has been warranted 

He loves the place. 

Yeah, nah.  Read the article it says he has no real knowledge to speak of, he's just assuming and adding to the pile on.  If he loves the place, he needs to learn not to be such a loose cannon and just adding to the external pressure.

If he's really concerned, why not get more involved and have a chat to Maxy or Richo?

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On 28/02/2024 at 18:22, spalding said:

Speaking of media, why isn’t there a suggestion that the launch of a premiership film by the Pies tonight, a week before the next season starts,  a case of over-celebration/ drinking their own bath water? 

The whole media is in raptures at the Pies flag. They would be happy for it to happen every year.

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30 minutes ago, Rodney (Balls) Grinter said:

Yeah, nah.  Read the article it says he has no real knowledge to speak of, he's just assuming and adding to the pile on.  If he loves the place, he needs to learn not to be such a loose cannon and just adding to the external pressure.

If he's really concerned, why not get more involved and have a chat to Maxy or Richo?

He would know more than he is letting on  David is still well connected at the Club.

I have no problem with him having a go, he isn’t lying. It’s been a very poor off season 

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On 28/02/2024 at 18:22, spalding said:

Speaking of media, why isn’t there a suggestion that the launch of a premiership film by the Pies tonight, a week before the next season starts,  a case of over-celebration/ drinking their own bath water? 

To drink their own bathwater they would first need to have a bath.

 

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2 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

He would know more than he is letting on  David is still well connected at the Club.

I have no problem with him having a go, he isn’t lying. It’s been a very poor off season 

I'm thinking we're ending up at an agree to disagree kinda place here SWYL.

If he's well connected and he cares so much, then why don't he have the info Richo had and/or isn't he talking the same tune as the leadership?

Max, Viney and Goody & Co are the leaders that took us to a flag and 3 top 4 finishes in as many years - something we never really came close to in Schwartz's time at the club.

I'll back them over anything Schwartz has to bleat on about.

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29 minutes ago, Rodney (Balls) Grinter said:

I'm thinking we're ending up at an agree to disagree kinda place here SWYL.

If he's well connected and he cares so much, then why don't he have the info Richo had and/or isn't he talking the same tune as the leadership?

Max, Viney and Goody & Co are the leaders that took us to a flag and 3 top 4 finishes in as many years - something we never really came close to in Schwartz's time at the club.

I'll back them over anything Schwartz has to bleat on about.

I don’t really give a Flying Mate

Richo and the boys are Talking Club Talk ok, Media 101

Don’t underestimate the The Ox, he is able to speak unimpeaded. He still has very strong connections with the Club. 
It has been a shocker of a preseason, don’t try and sugar coat it. 

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3 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

I don’t really give a Flying Mate

Richo and the boys are Talking Club Talk ok, Media 101

Don’t underestimate the The Ox, he is able to speak unimpeaded. He still has very strong connections with the Club. 
It has been a shocker of a preseason, don’t try and sugar coat it. 

You are dealing alot in 'rumors' with these 'strong connections' here.  Who are these suposed connections?

Richo and the boys are playing a Team game, something the Ox didn't do off feild at his time at the club, so he should bit his tounge or get behind them.

I don't give a flying what the media say.  Media said we were metally weak wouldn't make finals in 2021.

I'll rate our pre-season, post seaon - based on on feild results, not media rubbish.

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On 27/02/2024 at 10:44, Demon17 said:

But...the clever component was Richo's sneaky aside to tim Watson last week that the Dee's are near the bottom of the hair testing ladder.

Excuse the naivety but what does ‘being near the bottom of the ladder’ mean? Is it that we have fewer positive results from tests or fewer tests in total?

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13 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

I don’t really give a Flying Mate

Richo and the boys are Talking Club Talk ok, Media 101

Don’t underestimate the The Ox, he is able to speak unimpeaded. He still has very strong connections with the Club. 
It has been a shocker of a preseason, don’t try and sugar coat it. 

Has it actually been a shocking pre season? Or has the media told you it’s been a shocking pre season? If you didn’t listen to the nonsense coming out of your tv and radio how would our pre season look?
Aside from Clayton’s troubles, what else have you got beyond accusation? A few injuries that have carried over from last year? We traded well, for need. We look fit. If it’s true we are down the bottom of the testing ladder it would seem it’s all a bit of a blow up. The media are not honest actors. They will do whatever they can to keep their jobs and create “entertainment”. The proof of what kind pre season we’ve had will be how we go this season.

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14 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

I don’t really give a Flying Mate

Richo and the boys are Talking Club Talk ok, Media 101

Don’t underestimate the The Ox, he is able to speak unimpeaded. He still has very strong connections with the Club. 
It has been a shocker of a preseason, don’t try and sugar coat it. 

I think David would know a lot about culture. Played with Travis Johnson and Daniel Ward and all three went broke as self confessed gambling addicts.

Plenty of others were seen regularly at racetracks and TAB’s.

Thankfully all three sought help and have turned their lives around.

Yes we have had a poor pre season in the media, but aside from Smith, nothing to do with culture and clearly agenda driven, unless you think a boy’s personal mental health issues are a club culture problem.

I am disgusted at the media treatment of Clarry and several media people should be ashamed of themselves. Michael Warner you are at the head of that queue.

How much have we heard about Carlton’s new recruit Elijah Hollands and his Court drug appearance? How much did we hear about Bailey Smith after an initial mention? Same for Ginnivan. There are plenty of other examples of bad behaviour in the AFL that gets little mention after the first airing if at all.

Certain clubs are treated differently by the media, why.

Yes we have our share of problems, but we are not pariahs, yet treated like one in the media.

There is an obvious agenda out there in footy media land and probably more one.

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23 hours ago, Rodney (Balls) Grinter said:

Thanks.

Haven't listened yet - what's was Garry Lyons take?

It's been somewhat disappointing for one of our past greats in David Schwarz to go adding to the pile on without any real evidence to speak of:

https://wwos.nine.com.au/afl/news-2024-melbourne-demons-david-schwarz-clayton-oliver-joel-smith-troubles/15b35324-f219-45f1-8be9-49553ebbb778

BTW, from what I recall of the story of Schwartz's influence on club culture with gambling, he's the last one that should be having go at the club on this basis or blasting other player's for their off feild problems - apparently some forms of addiction and abuse are more forgivable than others.  Loved him as a player (On feild), but from what I can see, I think his contribution to the club since has been overly negative and critical at times, which is disappointing.

Garry basically said it's probably true that several clubs have far greater drug related issues (referencing the hair test ladder), but it's irrelevant because Melbourne has been exposed which provides the media sensational things to report on. The club complaining won't change any of that, all they can do is try to get better and point wins on the board. Thats our best opportunity for respite. 

As I have longed believed, when it comes ot illicit drugs in sport, partaking isn't the crime, getting caught is. 

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46 minutes ago, Dee*ceiving said:

Garry basically said it's probably true that several clubs have far greater drug related issues (referencing the hair test ladder), but it's irrelevant because Melbourne has been exposed which provides the media sensational things to report on. The club complaining won't change any of that, all they can do is try to get better and point wins on the board. Thats our best opportunity for respite. 

As I have longed believed, when it comes ot illicit drugs in sport, partaking isn't the crime, getting caught is. 

Absolutely Correct. Winning is the only way to eradicate this pestilence. 
We have great leaders, so i think we will be ok, but it will be a tough grind

24/7 media must talk about something 

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6 hours ago, Redleg said:

I am disgusted at the media treatment of Clarry and several media people should be ashamed of themselves. Michael Warner you are at the head of that queue.

How much have we heard about Carlton’s new recruit Elijah Hollands and his Court drug appearance? How much did we hear about Bailey Smith after an initial mention? Same for Ginnivan. There are plenty of other examples of bad behaviour in the AFL that gets little mention after the first airing if at all.

I agree with all the above, but I think one key differentiator between Clarry and all those others mentioned is that he's got the most 'Star Power' of any of the aforementioned and to a certain extent that makes him a bigger story for the media to get their claws into.

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