4 hours ago, DistrACTION Jackson said:

It actually makes no sense that a retired players salary is in the salary cap. They are no longer playing, so why should that affect the ability to pay other players under the cap. Fair enough we have to pay him out of his contract, but just don’t understand the reasoning behind the cap issue

The AFL wants to discourage long term contracts. Concussion aside a player almost always has a long term injury as they age. If the final year payouts were outside the salary cap it's a neat way of avoiding the salary cap.

You may recall that the AFL said to Sydney when they recruited Buddy on the ten year deal.. "Don't come asking for salary cap relief when Buddy retires injured in seven years." Luckily for Sydney Buddy lasted the ten years and a little longer

I was chatting to my neighbour Des Bell (101) played 7 games in the 30's, said he sent a text message to Angus after his speech at the Brownlow, he said he received a wonderful personal message back from him. Angus is truly an amazing human being, hopefully when he gets over the change in not playing we can get him back to the club in some capacity.

17 hours ago, DeelightfulPlay said:

Hmmm $3 million and we're fighting to minimise the pay out?  I wonder what Gus would potentially receive in a successful court case for impact on lifetime earning capacity against the AFL...

I was just thinking the same thing. Doesn't this fall under a Workcover issue. On another level that piece of excrament ASSAULTED and knocked out Gus AND ended his career. Surely grounds for legal action?!

1 minute ago, picket fence said:

Doesn't this fall under a Workcover issue.

Profession sports people including AFL players are excluded from workcover.

The premiums would be enormous I suspect if they were

1 hour ago, Demon_spurs said:

Des Bell

Our oldest ex-player and looking extremely well for his age.

This is from the MFC site a couple of years ago.

 

https://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/1208539/demon-spirit-oldest-living-dees-journey

On 23/11/2024 at 08:24, DistrACTION Jackson said:

It actually makes no sense that a retired players salary is in the salary cap. They are no longer playing, so why should that affect the ability to pay other players under the cap. Fair enough we have to pay him out of his contract, but just don’t understand the reasoning behind the cap issue

It does really except for forced retirements. This is because it is too easy to game. Backend a contract heavily, get the player cheap for a few years, win flags, then ‘retire’ them outside of the cap, rinse and repeat.

2 minutes ago, demosaw said:

It does really except for forced retirements. This is because it is too easy to game. Backend a contract heavily, get the player cheap for a few years, win flags, then ‘retire’ them outside of the cap, rinse and repeat.

I was referring more to the forced retired players. Get your point though.

5 hours ago, demosaw said:

It does really except for forced retirements. This is because it is too easy to game. Backend a contract heavily, get the player cheap for a few years, win flags, then ‘retire’ them outside of the cap, rinse and repeat.

They should have 'Grandfathered' 100% or near 100% TPP coverage for existing contracts as is standard practice for many rule/law changes (except the AFL). 

Its a disadvantages tous especially in 2027 and 2028 to reward/keep our own or attract players vis a vis competitors, 

Edited November 30, 2024Nov 30 by Lucifers Hero

5 hours ago, Lucifers Hero said:

They should have 'Grandfathered' 100% or near 100% TPP coverage for existing contracts as is standard practice for many rule/law changes (except the AFL). 

Its a disadvantages tous especially in 2027 and 2028 to reward/keep our own or attract players vis a vis competitors, 

Especially since the AFL failed to act on it at the time and then outlawed the act later and secondly as it was the AFL who put Gus out of the game, on their direction.

 

1 hour ago, Redleg said:

Especially since the AFL failed to act on it at the time and then outlawed the act later and secondly as it was the AFL who put Gus out of the game, on their direction.

 

Yes i think the Club should challenge this scenario, Gus deserves his full payday, but not at detriment of future list management 

On 28/09/2024 at 13:35, rufus said:

Feel for Brayshaw and obviously it's been a loss for us not having him.

But the obsession with Maynard and Collingwood is in my opinion the cringiest thing imaginable. To me, if the incident was actually the thuggish act that Melb supporters seem to feel it was, then it was only marginally that. Brayshaw obviously had a rough history with head knocks and was in the wrong spot at the wrong time.

Collingwood may injure more people but reality is they play the game harder than we do. It's one thing for our fans to be outraged and breathing fire at the prospect of responding to the Pies, but when our players come out with relatively meek physicality every time they match up you start to realise our players mustn't feel as strongly about it as the fans do.

If we want to focus any attention on Collingwood or Maynard, it should be to study how they are able to compete harder than our players for longer than our players.

My anger was actually more directed towards the absolutely horrible disgusting pack mentality of large sections of the Collingwood crowd that emerged and permeated across the ground when they started that slow repetitive chant of ‘Collllllingwood’ whilst an opposition was lying unconscious on the ground.

Never have I felt so angry and disgusted attending a football game.  It was really shameful what happened that night with large sections of the crowd. It was a very tense, putrid period of time when it was all unfolding. 

I despise the ‘filth culture’ as opposed to their actual team.  (Don’t get me wrong, I still ‘love to hate’ Cox and Maynard for example, miss hating Ginnivan and quietly admire Elliot, he is a great player in my opinion). 
Bottom line, I have hated  the Filth for so many reasons over the years.  It just increased again that night.

Edited November 30, 2024Nov 30 by Wodjathefirst
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On 23/11/2024 at 15:42, Demonstone said:

Our oldest ex-player and looking extremely well for his age.

This is from the MFC site a couple of years ago.

 

https://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/1208539/demon-spirit-oldest-living-dees-journey

What a terrific and inspiring story of a Demons life

Thanks for posting it

On 30/11/2024 at 13:27, Lucifers Hero said:

They should have 'Grandfathered' 100% or near 100% TPP coverage for existing contracts as is standard practice for many rule/law changes (except the AFL). 

Its a disadvantages tous especially in 2027 and 2028 to reward/keep our own or attract players vis a vis competitors, 

Who would have guessed😠

19 hours ago, Wodjathefirst said:

My anger was actually more directed towards the absolutely horrible disgusting pack mentality of large sections of the Collingwood crowd that emerged and permeated across the ground when they started that slow repetitive chant of ‘Collllllingwood’ whilst an opposition was lying unconscious on the ground.

Never have I felt so angry and disgusted attending a football game.  It was really shameful what happened that night with large sections of the crowd. It was a very tense, putrid period of time when it was all unfolding. 

I despise the ‘filth culture’ as opposed to their actual team.  (Don’t get me wrong, I still ‘love to hate’ Cox and Maynard for example, miss hating Ginnivan and quietly admire Elliot, he is a great player in my opinion). 
Bottom line, I have hated  the Filth for so many reasons over the years.  It just increased again that night.

I also hate the filth culture. But unlike you I hate everything about them, including the team.

I've mentioned it before*, but I can't even go to KB or any other matches involving the filth. Just does my head in. In particular many of the filth supporters are just vile; I just can't stand being near them en masse.

 

*much to the chagrin of some others ...

19 hours ago, Wodjathefirst said:

My anger was actually more directed towards the absolutely horrible disgusting pack mentality of large sections of the Collingwood crowd that emerged and permeated across the ground when they started that slow repetitive chant of ‘Collllllingwood’ whilst an opposition was lying unconscious on the ground.

Never have I felt so angry and disgusted attending a football game.  It was really shameful what happened that night with large sections of the crowd. It was a very tense, putrid period of time when it was all unfolding. 

I despise the ‘filth culture’ as opposed to their actual team.  (Don’t get me wrong, I still ‘love to hate’ Cox and Maynard for example, miss hating Ginnivan and quietly admire Elliot, he is a great player in my opinion). 
Bottom line, I have hated  the Filth for so many reasons over the years.  It just increased again that night.

I think i can safely go further than that and say that the AFL conducted themselves at least as bad if not worse than Collingwood did on that day. They just went and washed their hands.

Listen intently to Brayshaw's speech.

51 minutes ago, Willmoy1947 said:

I think i can safely go further than that and say that the AFL conducted themselves at least as bad if not worse than Collingwood did on that day. They just went and washed their hands.

I agree with you Willmoy. In the whole saga, it is the action and inaction of of the AFL that makes me angry.

23 hours ago, Left Foot Snap said:

I agree with you Willmoy. In the whole saga, it is the action and inaction of of the AFL that makes me angry.

Don't forget that vile object saying "justice has been done" ... I'm getting worked up thinking about that again.

18 minutes ago, At Least I Saw a Flag said:

Don't forget that vile object saying "justice has been done" ... I'm getting worked up thinking about that again.

Yes, he is a putz, but still the inaction of the AFL enabled him. To me they are still the ones that let everyone down. Maynard did the act, but the AFL didn't punish it, intentional or not. Ludicrous. 

Now I am getting angry again. 

I think this will come back to bite AFL HQ in the future. 

On 23/11/2024 at 13:28, Diamond_Jim said:

The AFL wants to discourage long term contracts. Concussion aside a player almost always has a long term injury as they age. If the final year payouts were outside the salary cap it's a neat way of avoiding the salary cap.

You may recall that the AFL said to Sydney when they recruited Buddy on the ten year deal.. "Don't come asking for salary cap relief when Buddy retires injured in seven years." Luckily for Sydney Buddy lasted the ten years and a little longer

If the AFL wants to discourage long term contracts they should put their big boy pants on and allow clubs to trade in contract players where and when they want. The clubs are left with their pants around their ankles currently with players able to request (read demand) a trade and nominate their club of choice and also have the benefit of free agency.

It's the proverbial tail wagging the dog! 

On 23/11/2024 at 13:54, picket fence said:

I was just thinking the same thing. Doesn't this fall under a Workcover issue. On another level that piece of excrament ASSAULTED and knocked out Gus AND ended his career. Surely grounds for legal action?!

Agree. But the whole situation reeks of another AFL orchestrated outcome that protects them first and makes sure the player gets his due to avoid long term legal ramifications. Suspect there is a secret win in there for the Dees somewhere despite the ongoing salary cap pain. 

On 02/12/2024 at 23:18, At Least I Saw a Flag said:

Don't forget that vile object saying "justice has been done" ... I'm getting worked up thinking about that again.

Disgusting! 

On 04/12/2024 at 12:53, Dee*ceiving said:

If the AFL wants to discourage long term contracts they should put their big boy pants on and allow clubs to trade in contract players where and when they want. The clubs are left with their pants around their ankles currently with players able to request (read demand) a trade and nominate their club of choice and also have the benefit of free agency.

It's the proverbial tail wagging the dog! 

this

the aflpa is dead against it

it will be interesting to see which they come around to first - in-season trading or trades without consent  

On 23/11/2024 at 13:28, Diamond_Jim said:

The AFL wants to discourage long term contracts. Concussion aside a player almost always has a long term injury as they age. If the final year payouts were outside the salary cap it's a neat way of avoiding the salary cap.

You may recall that the AFL said to Sydney when they recruited Buddy on the ten year deal.. "Don't come asking for salary cap relief when Buddy retires injured in seven years." Luckily for Sydney Buddy lasted the ten years and a little longer

Sure I get your point, but in cases where the AFL mandates a retirement as in Angus’ case then surely it is different (or should be).

15 hours ago, whatwhat say what said:

this

the aflpa is dead against it

it will be interesting to see which they come around to first - in-season trading or trades without consent  

I don't like the idea of either of these. One of the greatest strengths of the AFL is the emotional connection supporters have to their clubs. I believe a significant part of that connection arises from supporters identifying with their players. Too much player movement weakens that connection significantly. 

 

9 hours ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

I don't like the idea of either of these. One of the greatest strengths of the AFL is the emotional connection supporters have to their clubs. I believe a significant part of that connection arises from supporters identifying with their players. Too much player movement weakens that connection significantly. 

 

bbbut who will feed the content machine?!??

do it for the CLICKS

On 22/02/2024 at 10:08, Ethan Tremblay said:

Thanks, Angus.

Been working on my post-flag tatts since 2021. Getting close to completion. Gus is my latest addition. His inclusion on my back beside Nathan jones just felt right.

Even a year on, it is still hard to come to terms with losing Gus...Yet we still have a footy team to watch each weekend.

In contrast, Gus has had to deal with the sudden and abrupt loss of footy, his job and his club/team-mates/best friends from his life altogether.

And the worst part of the situation is that it is all based on uncertain and imprecise science and a decision-making process that is less about player welfare than it is about avoiding future legal land-mines.

Edited February 6Feb 6 by pringle