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Sam Van Rooyen in for Ben Brown on LTI?

Wizard of Koz
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16 hours ago, picket fence said:

Ah NO🤯 and see your psychiatrist

this is typical of @Wizard of Koz lol.

 

All brawn no brains lol

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    13 minutes ago, leave it to deever said:

    Won't happen.

    Nor should it.

    I hope Fullerton is up and about asap 

    Bbb for Schache but it's the deck chairs again for me.

    Maybe Tmac down back of Bbb out and Tommo up fwd.

    Have to try something.

    I don't want Shache in again.

    And Tommo was one of our better players v Swans.

    Surely he couldn't be any worse.

    Ive been advocating for Tomlinson to be tried up forward for ages, hes strong overhead, can compete 1-1, and has a nice kick on him. Only knock would be hes relatively slow

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    14 hours ago, Moonshadow said:

    Man alive, there's some crazy thinkers on Land after a loss!

    Imagine what it's gonna be like when we're 3/3 after 6!

    🥳

    Personally I’d be stoked at that

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    11 minutes ago, Tracca said:

    Ive been advocating for Tomlinson to be tried up forward for ages, hes strong overhead, can compete 1-1, and has a nice kick on him. Only knock would be hes relatively slow

    I know it's a long shot but maybe worta crack.

    He was moving pretty well against Sydney in our top ten.

    Jvr can't be our only tall.

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    32 minutes ago, Tracca said:

    Ive been advocating for Tomlinson to be tried up forward for ages, hes strong overhead, can compete 1-1, and has a nice kick on him. Only knock would be hes relatively slow

    This is now plausible with Marty's return. Tomo's a big solid boy, a VG overhead mark and he's a decent kick of the air conveyance.

    The only trouble is, in general you can't just swing such a dramatic move and expect player X (whoever that is) to suddnenly gel as a forward after having played his entre career as a winger or 3rd stringer tall backman.

    Would need a decent stint on the training track imho if this were to have any chance of working.  You would also get some idea as to its feasibility as a coach by trialling on the track first.

    I'm not adverse to the idea though, subject to the above.  And neither should Simon.  He needs to start considering trialling these sort of options assuming we have a back up player sitting in the wings.  Which we have with Marty.

    I reckon you would know within 2 to 3 sessions as to whether Tomo is capable here prior to even attempting it in a live game.

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    Harry Petty will be back for the Hawks game, we'll be banking everything in our 2024 tilt on JVR and Petty staying fit and playing well together

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    18 minutes ago, Dwight Schrute said:

    Harry Petty will be back for the Hawks game, we'll be banking everything in our 2024 tilt on JVR and Petty staying fit and playing well together

    What’s our risk management plan should this not come to fruition

     

    it should be top of pile given petty’s seeming fragility and our current propensity to get all the shoddy hands dealt

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    2 minutes ago, Superunknown said:

    What’s our risk management plan should this not come to fruition

     

    it should be top of pile given petty’s seeming fragility and our current propensity to get all the shoddy hands dealt

    it's Ben Brown, Matt Jefferson, Tom McDonald. Josh Schache and Tom Fullerton. but the two above are very very comfortably ahead of this list in my view. 

    It's not an ideal situation

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    Too late to replace BBB. He’s locked in for one last year on dodgy knees.  Then he’s off to see the orthopedic surgeon for a full rebuild. 

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    Hypothetically, Sam Van Rooyen would be more likely as a replacement for McAdam if his hamstrings decide to completely pack it in. Or simply as a speculative mid-season draft selection for the future with no particular reference to our current pressing needs.

    Personally, I have an irrational level of hope in Fullarton. Maybe for no better reason than his best game so far was in a one point win over the Magpies.

    Petty back, JVR stable in his best role, and Fullarton being an effective back-up ruck... that would be a total transform our prospects.

    As for the other conversation in the thread; yep, if we're 3-3 after six rounds we're doing okay.

    We'll have played Port, Brisbane and Sydney - three teams clearly pursuing a top-4 finish.

    Crows and Bulldogs - two more teams realistically looking for finals.

    And Hawthorn - who are just [censored] who make everything worse wherever they go.

    I doubt there's a tougher first six rounds, particularly when you count that we play both Port and the Crows in Adelaide.

    The trade off is a much softer second half of our season. If we're sustaining a 50/50 win rate to mid-season with all our current negative factors, I suspect we'll be storming into the top four and scaring everyone on the approach to finals.

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    7 minutes ago, Little Goffy said:

    The trade off is a much softer second half of our season. If we're sustaining a 50/50 win rate to mid-season with all our current negative factors, I suspect we'll be storming into the top four and scaring everyone on the approach to finals.

    please, that's not how mfcss works!

    if we're mid-table and mid-results mid-year and come storming home the correct mfcss take to run with is 'well, we're only beating up on lesser teams...'

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    12 minutes ago, Demon Disciple said:

    Would we be even considering him if his surname was not Van Rooyen?

    No, we wouldn’t, but with talk now on this thread that Adam Tomlinson might be the solution up forward I am beginning to worry we’re entering a terrifying phase of Melbourne Football Club Supporter Forward Line Concern Syndrome.

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    18 hours ago, Demon Disciple said:

    Would we be even considering him if his surname was not Van Rooyen?

    Probably not, but as a hypothetical if drafting him as rookie and having him on our list meant older bro was unlikely to leave would he be worth just having a crack at? 

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    What has been lost a bit here is the impact Joel Smith's absence has had on the list. He is often overlooked in terms of his importance but he kicked 3 snags in the SF against the Blues. He is an athletic, mobile forward that works well in tandem with a stay at home KPF. He did lack the brains a little somewhat on the field with forward craft and was often a little injury prone too, but he did have a great mark and kick on him. 

    Had he been available to play, i think he takes the 2nd tall forward position next to JVR and our forward line issues are nowhere near as problematic as they are right now. 

    Pity he has now likely torched his career.  

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    23 hours ago, Pates said:

    Probably not, but as a hypothetical if drafting him as rookie and having him on our list meant older bro was unlikely to leave would he be worth just having a crack at? 

    i dont deal in hypotheticals, only pessimisms.

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    On 12/03/2024 at 15:29, Little Goffy said:

    The trade off is a much softer second half of our season. If we're sustaining a 50/50 win rate to mid-season with all our current negative factors, I suspect we'll be storming into the top four and scaring everyone on the approach to finals.

    Not as soft as you think. Last 6 games from round 19 are:

    Freo Perth

    Giants MCG

    Dogs Marvel

    Port MCG

    Suns Up there

    Pies MCG

    And round 16 Lions up there

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    1 hour ago, Its Time for Another said:

    Not as soft as you think. Last 6 games from round 19 are:

    Freo Perth

    Giants MCG

    Dogs Marvel

    Port MCG

    Suns Up there

    Pies MCG

    And round 16 Lions up there

    Fortunately I think all of Freo, Giants, Dogs, Port and Suns are either overrated or will fade as the season goes on! :laugh:

    And destiny simply demands we crush the 'Pies in the final round.

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    On 13/03/2024 at 11:57, Gawndy the Great said:

    What has been lost a bit here is the impact Joel Smith's absence has had on the list. He is often overlooked in terms of his importance but he kicked 3 snags in the SF against the Blues. He is an athletic, mobile forward that works well in tandem with a stay at home KPF. He did lack the brains a little somewhat on the field with forward craft and was often a little injury prone too, but he did have a great mark and kick on him. 

    Had he been available to play, i think he takes the 2nd tall forward position next to JVR and our forward line issues are nowhere near as problematic as they are right now. 

    Pity he has now likely torched his career.  

     

    Disagree. Smith has never managed to be more than depth despite his athletic ability. His game in the semi-final was as a makeshift stay-at-home forward.

    He had 6 disposals, 3 of which were shots on goal, and he had no involvement in any other scoring.

    He was also basically unsighted in the final 50 minutes of play.

    His absence is not a factor in our structural problems.

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    On 13/03/2024 at 11:57, Gawndy the Great said:

    What has been lost a bit here is the impact Joel Smith's absence has had on the list. He is often overlooked in terms of his importance but he kicked 3 snags in the SF against the Blues. He is an athletic, mobile forward that works well in tandem with a stay at home KPF. He did lack the brains a little somewhat on the field with forward craft and was often a little injury prone too, but he did have a great mark and kick on him. 

    Had he been available to play, i think he takes the 2nd tall forward position next to JVR and our forward line issues are nowhere near as problematic as they are right now. 

    Pity he has now likely torched his career.  

    Daniel Turner has filled that void just perfectly. 

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    As Smith’s case has still not been dealt with, which is a disgrace in itself given the scenario, I feel we should be able to put him on the LTI list or similar and agree to pay out this year his last and have another spot for the mid season draft, if we want to use it.

    It seems very unfair he can’t play, but has still not had his case dealt with. 

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    1 hour ago, Redleg said:

    As Smith’s case has still not been dealt with, which is a disgrace in itself given the scenario, I feel we should be able to put him on the LTI list or similar and agree to pay out this year his last and have another spot for the mid season draft, if we want to use it.

    It seems very unfair he can’t play, but has still not had his case dealt with. 

    Seems to be par for course in these situations. The Rioli situation dragged on for nearly 2 years.

    For whatever reason I don't know but as you say unfair.

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    With Brayshaw retiring is Sam Van Rooyen available for the mid season draft? 
     

    if not, surely there’s a key forward out there somewhere!! There has to be another James Podsiadly lurking in the state leagues!

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    2 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

    Daniel Turner has filled that void just perfectly. 

    As you no doubt know, Dazz, one swallow does not make a summer

    We all hope Disco continues his good form, but Richmond were/are terrible at holding down in defence

    Unless there's an obvious mid available in the MSD, I reckon a project ruck/forward is a strong possibility.

    In JT we trust!

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