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2 minutes ago, Demon Dynasty said:

Have North absolutely ruled that out?

Of course not, but two top 3 or top 5 picks for one player is just about unheard of.

Eventually I expect North to offer 3 and the farm.

We’ll offer 6 and the farm.

If Curtin is taken with the first pick of both deals we are in with a chance!

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2 hours ago, Robbie87 said:

Tim Lamb has the runs on the board - I think I will go with his strategy rather than posters' reactive ruminations.

Yep. 

Great runs with the Grundy, Dunstan and Schache pick ups...

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42 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

I have a feeling pick 11 is not here for a long time, she's here for a good time... 

😆

Perhaps, given the direction this is all headed, with a 'Come up and see me...'

And, OK, I'll make the first bid.

With a bullishly low 10.

For the number pages this thread goes before its title is changed to its bookend.

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Putting together tea leaves here. To me, the market is valuing Reid roughly

A top 5 pick +

A 5-10 pick +

A 10-15 pick 

(Typically pick 1 is worth just the 6 and 11, buts he's presumably better than the average pick 1 so fair enough. )

An offer of  6 +  11 + our future 1st is right around the mark if slightly unders.  

However norf have a better hand but no way they send over 2 and 3 imo, that's over. They will have to split pick 3....

For our 6 and 41 and maybe a swap of future 2nds v 3rds.   

 I'd be happy going to the draft with pick 3 and 11 and keeping our f 1st. 

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9 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Yep. 

Great runs with the Grundy, Dunstan and Schache pick ups...

Dunstan and Schache were re suited as player 44and 45 in the squad in case of mass injury in one area. Obviously

Grundy was a swing and a miss but we need a ruck man and took a punt

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1-5: Reid, Walter, Duursma, McKercher, Watson
6-10: Curtin, Sanders, Caddy, Read, O’Sullivan
11-15: Croft, Rogers, Murphy, Windsor, Wilson. 
16-20: Leake, Hardeman etc

At least 2 academy bids before 11. 

Leake or Wilson if Caddy doesn’t get through?

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45 minutes ago, Sydney_Demon said:

I think what has been overlooked is where these picks will end up. There's only one definite Northern Academy player that will go to Gold Coast before 11 and that's Jed Walters. It's quite possible that Ethan Read & Jake Rogers go after 11 but before 14. And Jordan Croft has now nominated as a Bulldogs Father/Son. So, 11 could end up as high as 12, 14 could end up as low as 18 (or even 19 if Hawthorn take Father/Son Will McCabe around about that point).

And at the other end of the pole, pick 40 could drop well into the 30s given the vast collections of picks which are going to be cashed for points.

Gold Coast currently have four second round picks and pick 18, which will likely all be cashed.

Bulldogs will probably set themselves with two late second-rounders to build points for Ashcroft.

Hawthorn may well upgrade a second pick into the late 30s to be ready to get Will McCabe.

Plus, Kynan Brown might get bid on in the second round, in which case, well, bugger it, why burn the second-rounder we had anyway when a couple in the 40s will do?

Still, seems a lot to pay to go from 14 to 11.

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19 minutes ago, DubDee said:

Dunstan and Schache were re suited as player 44and 45 in the squad in case of mass injury in one area. Obviously

Grundy was a swing and a miss but we need a ruck man and took a punt

Yes because we had a ruckman with a broken toe and then flat out refused to sub in a tall (Schache) for a absolute crook Tom McDonald 🤣

Zero point having bringing these type of players in if you are flat out refusing to play them when opportunity presents themselves due to injury as it did in this instance.

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1 minute ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Yes because we had a ruckman with a broken toe and then flat out refused to sub in a tall (Schache) for a absolute crook Tom McDonald 🤣

Zero point having bringing these type of players in if you are flat out refusing to play them when opportunity presents themselves due to injury as it did in this instance.

Nail on the head. And when we had midfield issues, we went back to Harmes ahead of Dunstan, despite Dunstans strong VFL form. Now we have traded Harmes and Dunstan has retires 🤯 

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32 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Yes because we had a ruckman with a broken toe and then flat out refused to sub in a tall (Schache) for a absolute crook Tom McDonald 🤣

Zero point having bringing these type of players in if you are flat out refusing to play them when opportunity presents themselves due to injury as it did in this instance.

yep schache would have made all the difference

😂😂

you need the last couple of players on your list. if Viney Oliver Gus went down Dunstan would have played

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1 minute ago, DubDee said:

yep schache would have made all the difference

😂😂

you need the last couple of players on your list. if Viney Oliver Gus went down Dunstan would have played

You contradict yourself here.

You're saying they're picked up for depth in case of injury. We then had injury that presented itself and now you're saying he wouldn't made a difference?

Of course he wouldn't make a [censored] difference lol.. we all knew that. But he was fully fit and a gar better option then a cooked McDonald which you're completely missing the point as usual.

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30 minutes ago, Kick_It_To_Pickett said:

Nail on the head. And when we had midfield issues, we went back to Harmes ahead of Dunstan, despite Dunstans strong VFL form. Now we have traded Harmes and Dunstan has retires 🤯 

Improvement in teams often comes from players already on the list.  One of the upsides for us is that we have a handful of kids who have shown glimpses of talent but been unable to crack in permanently because other than the key forwards, our side has been so set.  By this I mean: Woewodin, Turner, Laurie, Howes, Andy Moniz-Wakefield (There's a handful of others who have got a bit of developing to go).  They're unlikely to all make it, but I suspect there's a few there that will become long term players in the senior side.  Next year they will get their chance after 2-3 years building their bodies, fitness and learning the game style at Casey.

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4 minutes ago, deelusions from afar said:

Improvement in teams often comes from players already on the list.  One of the upsides for us is that we have a handful of kids who have shown glimpses of talent but been unable to crack in permanently because other than the key forwards, our side has been so set.  By this I mean: Woewodin, Turner, Laurie, Howes, Andy Moniz-Wakefield (There's a handful of others who have got a bit of developing to go).  They're unlikely to all make it, but I suspect there's a few there that will become long term players in the senior side.  Next year they will get their chance after 2-3 years building their bodies, fitness and learning the game style at Casey.

That’s very confide. Woewodin is an out the only one of those you listed that I think can elevate to best 22 next year. Laurie is undersized, and I’m not sure he cracks the team, especially if Spargo plays the way he did in the final. Turners first half Vs Sydney was awful. There isn’t much else at Casey atm, let’s be real. Look at their BNF

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2 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Strange comment, but okay....

Questioning Lamb's record based off three players brought in to fill back up needs. Yet, you conveniently leave out the Oliver's and Kozzy's that Lamb managed to land us with pick swaps.

You can't seriously sit there mate and claim ignorance on that comment. It's a complete strawman.

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1 hour ago, DubDee said:

people still doubt MFC after using pick swaps the best of any team in the league. 

what if the talent drops off dramatically after 12? what is we want player x and y and they rated out of sync with the general concensus?

if we land 2 more gun kids this year and next we are a huge chance at a flag or two in the next 4 years

Sparrow at pick 27, Rivers at pick 32, Petty at 37 and ANB at 40. We can find them

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Just now, Binmans PA said:

Questioning Lamb's record based off three players brought in to fill back up needs. Yet, you conveniently leave out the Oliver's and Kozzy's that Lamb managed to land us with pick swaps.

I said the last few years meaning since 2020

The kozzies and the Olivers are great also. For all of that you then have your Weideman ahead of Curnow/McKay selection which is turning out to being one of the bigger blunders, the Bailey Laurie selection and then flop Grundy trade which doesn't exactly paint our list management in the brightest picture.

Our inability to address outside class and speed for a number of years has been concerning considering we're about to head into another year with an aging and slow Lachie Hunter and Ed Langdon who's also getting on and hasn't played a good game since 2021. I don't even mention Blake Howes because he played as a floating defender at Casey all year this year.

Bizarre list management decisions like giving Tom McDonald an extended contract when it was clear at the time that he was on a steep decline. We've got him clogging up our list next year on top of Ben Brown when we all know that they're both absolutely cooked to the bone.

I'll continue to watch with interest. 

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31 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

You contradict yourself here.

You're saying they're picked up for depth in case of injury. We then had injury that presented itself and now you're saying he wouldn't made a difference?

Of course he wouldn't make a [censored] difference lol.. we all knew that. But he was fully fit and a gar better option then a cooked McDonald which you're completely missing the point as usual.

zero contradiction. A bloke like Dunstan would have come in as he was killing it at VFL level. Schache was poor even when we were desperate for talls. even T Mac on half a leg the coaching staff had more faith in

youre exhausting to post with but because you are so accusatory and usually wrong it’s hard not to reply

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