On 10/10/2023 at 17:17, spirit of norm smith said:

Jack Nicholson says “no no no”. 

Jack Billings.  What were we thinking.  We helped the Saints with a salary dump and got a small ineffective declining player who offers nothing to our list.  We had small forwards.  His skills are very average and goalkicking is poor to be fair. Defensively poor. Tackling is weak.  His attempted marking spoil was Harrison on Monday was symbolic.  Ran, looked, “stopped”, then sought of tried.  Then walked away.  He is a barely a shadow of a player now. 
My no no no call remains. 

I just expected a far better kick of the football. 

Unfortunately he has shown nothing of interest and not shown much interest either.

The Billings disappointment, McAdam injury/disappointment, and Hunter injury/decline are three clear reasons our attempt to improve our movement forward has made so little progress.

Doesn't excuse the overall failure of team vision but it is definitely a hole that was filled with more hole.

1 minute ago, Little Goffy said:

Unfortunately he has shown nothing of interest and not shown much interest either.

The Billings disappointment, McAdam injury/disappointment, and Hunter injury/decline are three clear reasons our attempt to improve our movement forward has made so little progress.

Doesn't excuse the overall failure of team vision but it is definitely a hole that was filled with more hole.

" a hole filled with more hole" its sadly true. Billings is the one for me. I mean he is such an everage kick of the football and a slow / poor decision maker.  At some point that hole within a hole turns into  a black hole doesnt it ...and starts sucking the life out of the team. 

15 minutes ago, Little Goffy said:

Unfortunately he has shown nothing of interest and not shown much interest either.

The Billings disappointment, McAdam injury/disappointment, and Hunter injury/decline are three clear reasons our attempt to improve our movement forward has made so little progress.

Doesn't excuse the overall failure of team vision but it is definitely a hole that was filled with more hole.

Had high hopes for Billings, thought he may prosper in a new environment.

Will give him a little bit of benefit of the doubt because we're not the most cohesive unit at present but fella needs to lift. On this evidence not sure we'll see much of him in 2025.

Strikes me as a 'cherry on top' kind of player.

It's no surprise that his best two games for us corresponded with arguably our two best four quarter efforts of the year which were the Dogs and Hawks games.

Edited June 12, 20241 yr by Demon Jack

Sadly an absolute Bust , another reason for the Demise 

On Paper Harmes out, Billings in

Down another “Good”Player 

12 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Sadly an absolute Bust , another reason for the Demise 

On Paper Harmes out, Billings in

Down another “Good”Player 

Harmes had been rubbish for us since the flag, the revisionism here is a bit much. He's had a couple of good games for the Dogs when it's been going their way, but then so has Billings.

No question Billings has been a disappointment. Very low risk trade but at the moment he is wasting a spot in the 23 that could easily go to a younger player. At 28 and decade of disappointment I can't see him turning it around either. 

2 minutes ago, Bang Bang Bang said:

Harmes had been rubbish for us since the flag, the revisionism here is a bit much. He's had a couple of good games for the Dogs when it's been going their way, but then so has Billings.

No question Billings has been a disappointment. Very low risk trade but at the moment he is wasting a spot in the 23 that could easily go to a younger player. At 28 and decade of disappointment I can't see him turning it around either. 

As a replacement Billings has given us nothing. It all adds up 

5 hours ago, spirit of norm smith said:

Jack Billings.  What were we thinking.  We helped the Saints with a salary dump and got a small ineffective declining player who offers nothing to our list.  We had small forwards.  His skills are very average and goalkicking is poor to be fair. Defensively poor. Tackling is weak.  His attempted marking spoil was Harrison on Monday was symbolic.  Ran, looked, “stopped”, then sought of tried.  Then walked away.  He is a barely a shadow of a player now. 
My no no no call remains. 

Shame nobody in the FD listened to you 

10 years of mediocrity not enough of a sample size? What did we expect? Is it because he was a pick 4 ten years ago ? Players like this don’t change just because they’re in different colours. We brought him in to help with the inside 50 connection and he can’t kick, did Tim Lamb watch any of his footy the past couple of years? 🤦‍♂️

4 hours ago, Wells 11 said:

" a hole filled with more hole" its sadly true. Billings is the one for me. I mean he is such an everage kick of the football and a slow / poor decision maker.  At some point that hole within a hole turns into  a black hole doesnt it ...and starts sucking the life out of the team. 

Any hole 🕳 no matter the size is a deep, dark place to be in.

Edited June 12, 20241 yr by YesitwasaWin4theAges

4 hours ago, Wells 11 said:

" a hole filled with more hole" its sadly true. Billings is the one for me. I mean he is such an everage kick of the football and a slow / poor decision maker.  At some point that hole within a hole turns into  a black hole doesnt it ...and starts sucking the life out of the team. 

He was supposed to be recruiting for his elite kicking skills. I've watched him closely this year and I'm far from convinced. Seems to be in two minds when he disposes of the ball and has turned it over on more than a few occasions without any real pressure on him.

 

16 minutes ago, Bang Bang Bang said:

Harmes had been rubbish for us since the flag, the revisionism here is a bit much. He's had a couple of good games for the Dogs when it's been going their way, but then so has Billings.

No question Billings has been a disappointment. Very low risk trade but at the moment he is wasting a spot in the 23 that could easily go to a younger player. At 28 and decade of disappointment I can't see him turning it around either. 

I thought Billo would be decent for us but he has been a big bust along with Hunter though Hunter was servicable last year before injury.

Our trading for established players after 2020 has been biss poor and Tim Lamb has to shoulder alot of that burden.

At first I thought it was low risk high reward but he's turning out to be a bit of a liability. Not enough tank to play wing, not enough pressure to be the high HFF. Neither fish nor fowl. 

As Roy said, will give him a bit more time as it's hard to judge anyone right now but it doesn't look like a long stay. 

He’s absolutely been a reflection of our season.

He was horrid coming off the bench against Sydney.

Played his best 2 games of the year against Dogs and Hawthorn, which incidentally were our 2 best wins of the year from a dominance and quality of opposition point of view.

Was patchy in the Adelaide double, as were we.

Both he and club have been inconsistent to poor ever since.

Goodwin didn’t help his confidence by starting him as sub in opening round.

3 hours ago, Bang Bang Bang said:

Very low risk trade but at the moment he is wasting a spot in the 23 that could easily go to a younger player. At 28 and decade of disappointment I can't see him turning it around either. 

Yep. I don't really mind us taking a punt. I do really mind going back to him immediately after a completely warranted return to the reserves.  

I'm calling it - I reckon he'll get better

He needs COACHING

Was brought in for our new method.
Plays without confidence. Play him in the VFL at half back so he can learn to defend and get some easy ball. Like they have done with AMW.

9 minutes ago, jumbo returns said:

I'm calling it - I reckon he'll get better

He needs COACHING

Recommend anyone 🤔🤔🤔🤷

Thought he was going to be a gun for us.

How wrong was I.

59 minutes ago, Jack Vineys Anger Manager said:

Was brought in for our new method.
Plays without confidence. Play him in the VFL at half back so he can learn to defend and get some easy ball. Like they have done with AMW.

Hasn’t exactly delivered a huge return for AMW or the club at senior level has it ? 

1 hour ago, beelzebub said:

Recommend anyone 🤔🤔🤔🤷

Goody lol 

37 minutes ago, Sydee said:

Hasn’t exactly delivered a huge return for AMW or the club at senior level has it ? 

No, but that wasn't my point.

I think there is still some upside with Billings, definitely more so than with Hunter, but he has been disappointing thus far. I think we can categorically say that the sub role doesn't suit him after two failed attempts.