POSTGAME: SF vs Carlton

[praha 11,267]

  On 15/09/2023 at 14:08, BDA said:

why fu*k are you always carrying on trying to devalue our 2021 flag. 

Go and support St Kilda ya sad sack.

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I doesn't matter what I say here. Some of you can't accept that the club is devaluing the flag itself.

[Sigil 1,002]

The contested grind game with superior fitness in the 4th quarter to run over seems to be the game plan.

Stops us losing by much, but every kick at goal is so important and mentally we seem turn to water if it's not going well from the start.

No dynamism, winning through flashes of brilliance to get us over the line against good teams. But it just turns into a toss up.

Goal kicking has been a problem for a few years (even including 2021), don't know if it's the entries or whatever but yuck. Turned off the after game commentary against the Pies and Blues, praising the teams who won (I get that's what they need to do) for toughness, their "will to win" etc. makes me sick when we just pooped the bed.

Pedestrian, boring, foreseable and a waste of our list.

Still think we have a list that can win another flag , but things have to change.

 

[No10 466]

  On 15/09/2023 at 13:34, dees189227 said:

Has goody done his presser yet?

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Goody said nothing meaningful.

He has no presence.

Goodwin seems a great guy and the players love him, but looks as wide-eyed confused as the team when it matters.

Coaches need to instil something that Goodwin just doesn’t have. Or at least not yet.

[ElDiablo14 5,060]

  On 15/09/2023 at 13:58, YearOfTheDees said:

Just said we didn't take our chances. and Carlton did. Said the guys were upset but not much else.

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As always, boring in the pressers.

Someone should ask him how come the score didn't take care of itself? With the amount of chances we had surely there should've been a winning score.

[everythingsablur 30]

  On 15/09/2023 at 14:11, Jaded No More said:

Speak for yourself. I have no voice left and a throbbing headache. M50 and M51 were very loud all night! 

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Same here but M12 was flat

[Dr. Gonzo 24,468]

  On 15/09/2023 at 14:10, Fork 'em said:

Ya know what.
I hate watching us play.
There .... I said it.

No flair, no dare, just dour, scrappy, fumbly forken sheet.
Week after forken week.

I refused to watch the Swans under Roos.
Aints and Dockers under Lyon.
And now I'm stuck watching our BS under Goodwin.
We're supposed to be good, but my god we're garbage to watch.

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We tried early, didn't put enough goals on then it turned into a scrap. We just don't have any forward targets to bail us out and when we do we miss relatively regulation style set shots way too frequently.

[Dusty_Hill 194]

Toby Bedford says hi!

[Seraph 1,824]

  On 15/09/2023 at 14:12, Seraph said:

At least ANB chases and puts pressure on the opposition.

Langdon zero tackles.

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Just looked at the stats and we had 7 players who didn't have a single tackle recorded. 

Blues had 1. Their main ruckman.

[Jack7 528]

  On 15/09/2023 at 13:56, Fork 'em said:

Any-one bother with Goodwins post-game.
Was there learnings?

 

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Goodwin said our expected win was 43 points and he should have played Grundy and Kozzie should go back to Darwin and eat Turtle Burgers and he deserves 8 weeks for being so undisiplined and gave away a 50 when Joel Smith was 20 metres out from goal and it would have won us the game.

[Kick_It_To_Pickett 3,293]

  On 15/09/2023 at 14:07, Wilson7 said:

 

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Imagine sitting there, telling us about all the forwards we had lost this year, then thinking about the fact that he played TMAC who is completely gone for the two finals, while Schache sat as an unused sub and Grundy played 2s or not at all. Wow

[dazzledavey36 56,345]

  On 15/09/2023 at 14:07, Wilson7 said:

 

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All I got out of that is that we'll be active come trade period.

Though, he's answer to the non use of Schache was bizarre. 

[Dr. Gonzo 24,468]

  On 15/09/2023 at 14:15, Seraph said:

Just looked at the stats and we had 7 players who didn't have a single tackle recorded. 

Blues had 1. Their main ruckman.

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For those playing at home

Rivers, Langdon, May, Lever, Fritsch, Gawn, McVee

[Little Goffy 14,966]

  On 15/09/2023 at 12:57, praha said:

It has nothing to do with Burgess lol

It is still *cultural*. We have choked on the big stage in a way literally no other club has in the modern era. 

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Hmm, if we hadn't finished top 4, and only lost one game to be knocked out, would that still count?

West Coast - knocked out of elimination finals by 6, 8 and 7 goals in 2002-2004 before then playing in consecutive grand finals and winning a premiership.

Port Adelaide - 2001 knocked out winless, then 2002 and 2003 won only semi-finals for a 4L 2w record. Then won the premiership in 2004.

Richmond - 2013/14/15 knocked out in elimination final each time, including once against a team that didn't even finish top 8! Were a definite laughing stock with an old stale list. Reset in 2016, recruited aggressively to supplement their mature list, and played in the next 4 grand finals for three premierships.

Essendon - Top of the ladder on a seven game winning streak, coincidentally, massively choked and lost by a point against Carlton in 1999, then came back and had the best single season in the AFL era in 2000. Also, just for fun, please remember that Essendon have now lost six consecutive elimination finals with an average losing margin over ten goals. Not sure if that is relevent but it always cheers me up.

Geelong - in a four-year run from 2016-2019 they finished 2nd, 2nd, 8th and 1st on the ladder, yet never won more than one final in a season and clearly were far too old to go on.

Hawthorn - Unexpectedly won a premiership in 2008 then slumped horribly, missing finals, then knocked out in an elimination final in 2010 before 2011 coming into the 2011 prelim final the long way via a semi-final. Led at every change before choking out by giving up the lead in a five goal to 2 final quarter when the opponent had only kicked five goals in the entire game to that point. Hawthorn then played the next four grand finals for three premierships.

Brisbane - 2019/20/21 Brisbane entered finals in the top 4, including twice earning home finals, and played six finals for a total of one win.

Now, Brisbane are the only example from this set who has not gone on (yet) to win either one or three premierships in the following years, and it includes a full range of age profiles.

We finished this season in a miserable way, with injuries and poor form stacked in the particular area of the ground where we were weakest to begin.

Along the way, these last 8 days have done real damage to my entire 'relationship' with Australian football.

But there's no reason to believe Melbourne won't be up in the contenders again in 2024 and with just as much a shot as any other top-4 side.

Meanwhile, I'm glad our women's team is stomping everything in sight because I don't know if I'll even be bothering to watch the rest of the men's finals. It's all just damp ash.

[The heart beats true 18,201]

  On 15/09/2023 at 14:11, Fork 'em said:

Truth hurts.
Flash in the pan flag.

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Wow. Well if that’s the case I’d love a couple more of those ‘flash in the pan’ premierships.

[Fork 'em 7,052]

9pts up, 7mins to go and we decide to play the clock.
Then scurry around like chooks with their heads off for the last 45 seconds after they sheet the bed.
Anyway.
This could go on all night.
I'm off to bed.
Disgusted.

Oh .... Better drag that flag down off the front fence 1st.
Hope no-one noticed it.

[The heart beats true 18,201]

  On 15/09/2023 at 14:15, Dusty_Hill said:

Toby Bedford says hi!

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Oh, tell Tobes I said hi back! Always liked him.

[Fork 'em 7,052]

  On 15/09/2023 at 14:19, The heart beats true said:

Wow. Well if that’s the case I’d love a couple more of those ‘flash in the pan’ premierships.

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That's the point.
To prove it wasn't.
That they're not wasting a window.
Which they are.



 

Edited September 15, 2023 by Fork 'em

[Pennant St Dee 13,455]

  On 15/09/2023 at 13:48, YearOfTheDees said:

There was no soft call if they was it would not have been overturned. The ARC made a decision to review it with out being asked. All goals are reviewed but no idea why they believed that was touched.

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The goal umpire signalled a goal straight away equals he believes it was a goal

[picket fence 18,188]

  On 15/09/2023 at 12:33, MurDoc516 said:

9 goals 17 behinds. Sorry Stafford and Williams. Someone needs to go.

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STAFFORD goes can you believe having a hack ex ruckman as our forward coach!??

[The heart beats true 18,201]

Expected Scores:

MELB 69 from expected 81.3 (+2 rushed)
CARL 73 from expected 63.5 (+0 rushed)

[Webber 10,650]

  On 15/09/2023 at 14:19, Little Goffy said:

Hmm, if we hadn't finished top 4, and only lost one game to be knocked out, would that still count?

West Coast - knocked out of elimination finals by 6, 8 and 7 goals in 2002-2004 before then playing in consecutive grand finals and winning a premiership.

Port Adelaide - 2001 knocked out winless, then 2002 and 2003 won only semi-finals for a 4L 2w record. Then won the premiership in 2004.

Richmond - 2013/14/15 knocked out in elimination final each time, including once against a team that didn't even finish top 8! Were a definite laughing stock with an old stale list. Reset in 2016, recruited aggressively to supplement their mature list, and played in the next 4 grand finals for three premierships.

Essendon - Top of the ladder on a seven game winning streak, coincidentally, massively choked and lost by a point against Carlton in 1999, then came back and had the best single season in the AFL era in 2000. Also, just for fun, please remember that Essendon have now lost six consecutive elimination finals with an average losing margin over ten goals. Not sure if that is relevent but it always cheers me up.

Geelong - in a four-year run from 2016-2019 they finished 2nd, 2nd, 8th and 1st on the ladder, yet never won more than one final in a season and clearly were far too old to go on.

Hawthorn - Unexpectedly won a premiership in 2008 then slumped horribly, missing finals, then knocked out in an elimination final in 2010 before 2011 coming into the 2011 prelim final the long way via a semi-final. Led at every change before choking out by giving up the lead in a five goal to 2 final quarter when the opponent had only kicked five goals in the entire game to that point. Hawthorn then played the next four grand finals for three premierships.

Brisbane - 2019/20/21 Brisbane entered finals in the top 4, including twice earning home finals, and played six finals for a total of one win.

Now, Brisbane are the only example from this set who has not gone on (yet) to win either one or three premierships in the following years, and it includes a full range of age profiles.

We finished this season in a miserable way, with injuries and poor form stacked in the particular area of the ground where we were weakest to begin.

Along the way, these last 8 days have done real damage to my entire 'relationship' with Australian football.

But there's no reason to believe Melbourne won't be up in the contenders again in 2024 and with just as much a shot as any other top-4 side.

Meanwhile, I'm glad our women's team is stomping everything in sight because I don't know if I'll even be bothering to watch the rest of the men's finals. It's all just damp ash.

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Most sensible post of the night. And honest. 

[No10 466]

  On 15/09/2023 at 14:16, Jack7 said:

Goodwin said our expected win was 43 points and he should have played Grundy and Kozzie should go back to Darwin and eat Turtle Burgers and he deserves 8 weeks for being so undisiplined and gave away a 50 when Joel Smith was 20 metres out from goal and it would have won us the game.

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That Kossie free was a dive.

He played well, determined finals football. Kicked goals and went hard at contests.

[frankie_d 1,471]

Max post game “Some intersting free kicks”….

 

 

[Half forward flank 1,022]

  On 15/09/2023 at 14:10, Fork 'em said:

Ya know what.
I hate watching us play.
There .... I said it.

No flair, no dare, just dour, scrappy, fumbly forken sheet.
Week after forken week.

I refused to watch the Swans under Roos.
Aints and Dockers under Lyon.
And now I'm stuck watching our BS under Goodwin.
We're supposed to be good, but my god we're garbage to watch.

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Good point. Our style is what i hated about those sides. 

[Dr. Gonzo 24,468]

  On 15/09/2023 at 12:34, bing181 said:

They took their chances. We didn't. More I50, more shots on goal, still lost.

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Same old story isn't it?