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2 hours ago, layzie said:

The whole thing sounded so flimsy. As if you'd just rock up to someone's house unannounced after a situation like that. I know he tried calling Gus's mother but was apparently met with resistance. Without knowing everything it sounds like Brayden really needed to read the room better, even trying this stunt next week would have been better than in the days after. 

I wouldn't mind a record of who was spoken to previously about how unwise this might be??

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    15 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

    Sadly he had a game to forget. I wonder whether he too affected by the damage to his mate...

    I have no doubt of that, not just him either, all of them.  That incident is the reason we lost.  I said it that night, and I maintain it.

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    19 minutes ago, whatwhat say what said:

    if he gets through the 12 day protocols he'll be back for the prelim

    norm smith looms the week after

    No he won't. 

    They're pretty much ruling him out for the year.

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    41 minutes ago, Demonland said:

    So good to see Gus back on the track. Wouldn't have thought he would be allowed to be running. But so great to see him back on the track.

     

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    After what we've heard and seen the last few days it's really great Andy, it's really really great. 

    That's all I have to say. 

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    3 minutes ago, Katrina Dee Fan said:

    I have no doubt of that, not just him either, all of them.  That incident is the reason we lost.  I said it that night, and I maintain it.

    You honestly think the reason we lost purely because of the incident? You think Simon Goodwin and the rest of the players are all sitting there blaming the the loss to Angus being knocked out?? Yikes...

    Not the actual fact that we kicked 7.11 for the night and blew our chances in front of goal? 4 out on the full shots in the last quarter?

    The incident had nothing to do with us losing the game. It's a separate issue. We lost because we didn't make the most of our chances.

    Our ridiculous amount of inside 50 entries tells you all that.

    2 minutes ago, whatwhat say what said:

    no one has said that other than the media

    No mate.

    He was knocked out for a full 2 minutes. 2 minutes is a long time for someone to be knocked out.

    This is a guy with extensive concussion history, is currently undergoing a brain scan and will be taking time out to think about his future over the off season as quoted by his Hamish Brayshaw last night. 

    That says enough to me that we won't see Angus at all this year. 

    His health is absolutely priority and I'd be incredibly surprised if he is ticked off to play again this year.

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    3 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

    You honestly think the reason we lost purely because of the incident? You think Simon Goodwin and the rest of the players are all sitting there blaming the the loss to Angus being knocked out?? Yikes...

     

    I think it had an adverse psychological affect on the team, yes.  They were fired up, they were angry and upset, and I think it caused them to lose their momentum, which they didn't get back until the last quarter.  Gawn was one of the few who played his usual brand of football, a lot of them, including Trac, including Viney, didn't.  That is a very key reason they didn't make the most of their opportunities. 

    Edited by Katrina Dee Fan

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    Why didn't he just follow through with that threat???

    https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/teams/collingwood-magpies/afl-2023-michael-christian-threatened-to-quit-as-match-review-officer-conflict-with-afl-bosses-laura-kane-brayden-maynard-hit-on-angus-brayshaw-video-latest-news/news-story/d13982e11c1d3ad5349e20ec1c737ced?fbclid=IwAR3yEifJXaP4nBFkVZAV-wHOFu3T8qsKv_tX8D2CIMkauBM85TgFH1ILHpQ

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    2 minutes ago, Katrina Dee Fan said:

    Why didn't he just follow through with that threat???

    https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/teams/collingwood-magpies/afl-2023-michael-christian-threatened-to-quit-as-match-review-officer-conflict-with-afl-bosses-laura-kane-brayden-maynard-hit-on-angus-brayshaw-video-latest-news/news-story/d13982e11c1d3ad5349e20ec1c737ced?fbclid=IwAR3yEifJXaP4nBFkVZAV-wHOFu3T8qsKv_tX8D2CIMkauBM85TgFH1ILHpQ

    If someone ever threatens to quit, you make them do it immediately imo.

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    11 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

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    The incident had nothing to do with us losing the game. It's a separate issue. We lost because we didn't make the most of our chances.

    ....

    To deny that Brayshaw's loss was an element in why we lost  is foolish. Arguably it was a major element given the closeness of the result.  With him in the team maybe our bad kicking wouldn't have mattered.

    If one important player doesn't matter, how many missing players would be needed before you felt that was a factor in a loss?   Monty Python's black knight comes to mind.

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    18 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

    He was knocked out for a full 2 minutes. 2 minutes is a long time for someone to be knocked out.

    This is a guy with extensive concussion history, is currently undergoing a brain scan and will be taking time out to think about his future over the off season as quoted by his Hamish Brayshaw last night. 

    That says enough to me that we won't see Angus at all this year. 

    His health is absolutely priority and I'd be incredibly surprised if he is ticked off to play again this year.

    we shall see

    goodwin's comments in his press conference were very positive

    he's winning the norm smith in the grand final, i can feel it!

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    16 minutes ago, Katrina Dee Fan said:

    I think it had an adverse psychological affect on the team, yes.  They were fired up, they were angry and upset, and I think it caused them to lose their momentum, which they didn't get back until the last quarter.  Gawn was one of the few who played his usual brand of football, a lot of them, including Trac, including Viney, didn't.  That is a very key reason they didn't make the most of their opportunities. 

    Completely agree, and also it meant that Trac couldn't play as a forward. There were many reasons we lost but this was an important one.

     

    15 minutes ago, Katrina Dee Fan said:

    Why didn't he just follow through with that threat???

    https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/teams/collingwood-magpies/afl-2023-michael-christian-threatened-to-quit-as-match-review-officer-conflict-with-afl-bosses-laura-kane-brayden-maynard-hit-on-angus-brayshaw-video-latest-news/news-story/d13982e11c1d3ad5349e20ec1c737ced?fbclid=IwAR3yEifJXaP4nBFkVZAV-wHOFu3T8qsKv_tX8D2CIMkauBM85TgFH1ILHpQ

     Just shows how hollow the "threat" was.

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    8 minutes ago, sue said:

    To deny that Brayshaw's loss was an element in why we lost  is foolish. Arguably it was a major element given the closeness of the result.  With him in the team maybe our bad kicking wouldn't have mattered.

    If one important player doesn't matter, how many missing players would be needed before you felt that was a factor in a loss?   Monty Python's black knight comes to mind.

    But it wasn't though... 

    We smashed Collingwood in the clearences in the last quarter and gave our chance every opportunity to win.

    We were literally 2 goals away from winning the game and that was purely down to poor inside 50 entries and poor conversion throughout the night. 

    As if Goody and the players are going to blame the loss to Gus's being knocked out. Even Gus himself wouldn't be happy with this excuse. 

    We had Jake Melksham go down with an ACL injury which had a significant impact on our forward line against Sydney. Yet we still ran away winners on the day because we were able to readjust and create other avenues to goal and make use of those opposite. 

    Finals is all about making your opportunities count at every cost.

    Look at the difference between the winners and loser this weekend gone. All the losing teams had poor conversion at goal compared to the winners who kicked accurately. 

    There's your game right there.

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    18 minutes ago, Ollie fan said:

    Completely agree, and also it meant that Trac couldn't play as a forward. There were many reasons we lost but this was an important one.

     

     Just shows how hollow the "threat" was.

    Laura Kane should have requested it become a promise and asked for it in writing.

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    9 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

    But it wasn't though... 

    We smashed Collingwood in the clearences in the last quarter and gave our chance every opportunity to win.

    We were literally 2 goals away from winning the game and that was purely down to poor inside 50 entries and poor conversion throughout the night. 

    As if Goody and the players are going to blame the loss to Gus's being knocked out. Even Gus himself wouldn't be happy with this excuse. 

    We had Jake Melksham go down with an ACL injury which had a significant impact on our forward line against Sydney. Yet we still ran away winners on the day because we were able to readjust and create other avenues to goal and make use of those opposite. 

    Gus being subbed out of the game in the sixth minute defiantly had an impact on the result. Laurie only had 5 touches for the game. Gus has history of standing up in finals and normally has a few big moments each game. We only lost by seven so a one goal swing would have been enough. We were onto in the clearances in the second half but not the first. Gus would have helped get momentum back with us. 
    There are certainly other factors why we lost the game- namely poor entries inside 50, a slow start and poor conversion rate as you mentioned We choked, Fritter, Kossie and Tmac all had chances they should have scored. 
    Gus being knocked out in the sixth minute wasn’t the only factor in the loss but it was a factor. 
     

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    2 minutes ago, Colm said:

    Gus being subbed out of the game in the sixth minute defiantly had an impact on the result. Laurie only had 5 touches for the game. Gus has history of standing up in finals and normally has a few big moments each game. We only lost by seven so a one goal swing would have been enough. We were onto in the clearances in the second half but not the first. Gus would have helped get momentum back with us. 
    There are certainly other factors why we lost the game- namely poor entries inside 50, a slow start and poor conversion rate as you mentioned We choked, Fritter, Kossie and Tmac all had chances they should have scored. 
    Gus being knocked out in the sixth minute wasn’t the only factor in the loss but it was a factor. 
     

    Not to mention that Gus going off meant Trac couldn't spend as much time up forward, which robbed us inside 50.

    We ultimately lost because we can't convert +32 inside 50s into a score big enough to beat 9 bloody goals by the opposition. But given how poor we were in that first quarter, especially after Gus went down, and how close the game was, there is no doubt the loss of Gus early had an enormous influence on the game.

     

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    54 minutes ago, Katrina Dee Fan said:

    I think it had an adverse psychological affect on the team, yes.  They were fired up, they were angry and upset, and I think it caused them to lose their momentum, which they didn't get back until the last quarter.  Gawn was one of the few who played his usual brand of football, a lot of them, including Trac, including Viney, didn't.  That is a very key reason they didn't make the most of their opportunities. 

    Exactly. 

    It absolutely had a major bearing on  the result.

    I mean c'mon how could it not?

    Leaving aside the very real impacts you've noted (I mean our worst cp diff in a quarter since round 8 in the first quarter of a QF for the number one cp team in the AFL? - please) the bottom line is we lost one of our best 5 players in the last six games on player ratings, and a key part of our midfield, for nearly an entire match.

    A player who averages aprox 90% TOG, top 5 for possessions and top 5 for pressure acts out for an entire match and replaced by a sub who only played 50% TOG, played no time on ball and could only manage 5 possessions for an entire match.

    Of course we could have, should have won. Shows how good we are. Just needed to kick straight.

    But I mean how could that not impact the result? It's old school nonsense to suggest otherwise.

    They were slight favorites to win that game at 1.86. Some bookmakers have in game betting.

    After Gus went down (noting we scored a goal and so the pies lead was only 6 points) the pies would have come into something like 1.40 prohibitive favourites to win. We would have blown our to 3.00 outsiders.

    Thought experiment.

    Let's say coming into the game you knew that Gus was going to do a hammy at the 3 min mark of the first quarter (meaning none of the emotion or psychological impact of the head trauma).

    Would the consensus be that we have less chance of beating a very evenly matched opponent? Or that it likely would make no difference to the outcome?

    Or alternatively, you know the pies are going to lose Adams after only 3 minutes.

    Would the consensus be that we have a greater chance of beating the pies? 

    Of course it would.

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    Obviously we have a tough run ahead to get to and win the GF. 
    The motivation was to do it for the family, friends and fans back at the G. I reckon the motivation now should be ‘do it for Gus’.

    Realistically it’s going to be a tough ask. No matter what the result ends up being all that matters to me is that the team gave it their all, left nothing out there.

    Plan B. If we don’t make it, ABC (anyone but Collingwood)

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    Typo

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    Losing Angus most certainly had an impact. It is one thing to lose a player in the lead up to a game, you can think about alternatives, move the magnets around, prep someone for a different role at training. Different dynamic losing an important player in such circumstances early in the 1st quarter. Still, better composure up forward would have seen the Dees win this.

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    59 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

    But it wasn't though... 

    We smashed Collingwood in the clearences in the last quarter and gave our chance every opportunity to win.

    We were literally 2 goals away from winning the game and that was purely down to poor inside 50 entries and poor conversion throughout the night. 

    As if Goody and the players are going to blame the loss to Gus's being knocked out. Even Gus himself wouldn't be happy with this excuse. 

    We had Jake Melksham go down with an ACL injury which had a significant impact on our forward line against Sydney. Yet we still ran away winners on the day because we were able to readjust and create other avenues to goal and make use of those opposite. 

    Finals is all about making your opportunities count at every cost.

    Look at the difference between the winners and loser this weekend gone. All the losing teams had poor conversion at goal compared to the winners who kicked accurately. 

    There's your game right there.

    It wasn't THE reason, that's for sure, but it definitely would have had a bearing on the result:

     - Loss of a top-rated player for the whole game

     - Movement of Petracca out of the forward line

     - Substitute on early, who only played something like 55% game time

     - Distraction of the players, worried about their team mate and furious at Maynard.

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    The TW posts have been deleted.

    Does anyone know if this was a club decision or the foul Collingwood mob abusing in the comments?

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