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3 minutes ago, rollinson 65 said:

We are all passionate Dees supporters here so we all feel really sorry about the consequences for Gus.

Because I recognise and share that passion, I take no umbrage at the cheap shots levelled at me after I announced I was leaving this thread.

Anyone with a modicum of legal training will see how this is will play out.

If the Tribunal makes a Rules-based decision based on the real time (not slow-motion) footage, player Maynard will be exonerated.

If the Tribunal makes a political decision (entirely possible), Player Maynard will be exonerated on Appeal. 

Hate the way you use your faux-legal phrasing (like 'Player Maynard') to give the (wrong) impression that you know what you're talking about. You may be an ex-lawyer, but you're not in court now - you don't have a responsibility to be either on the side of or against a defendant. You're on a Demons' football fans website - you're acting like you've been appointed head of Maynard's defence.

This could have serious consequences for our club. I'm sure the AFL monitors fans' reaction to events like this. Seeing such one-sided commentary on the main Demons' website could encourage them to give in to the Collingwood machine.

Best you take your little peruke and disappear. 

22 minutes ago, rollinson 65 said:

We are all passionate Dees supporters here so we all feel really sorry about the consequences for Gus.

Because I recognise and share that passion, I take no umbrage at the cheap shots levelled at me after I announced I was leaving this thread.

Anyone with a modicum of legal training will see how this is will play out.

If the Tribunal makes a Rules-based decision based on the real time (not slow-motion) footage, player Maynard will be exonerated.

If the Tribunal makes a political decision (entirely possible), Player Maynard will be exonerated on Appeal. 

Garbage

21 minutes ago, rollinson 65 said:

We are all passionate Dees supporters here so we all feel really sorry about the consequences for Gus.

Because I recognise and share that passion, I take no umbrage at the cheap shots levelled at me after I announced I was leaving this thread.

Anyone with a modicum of legal training will see how this is will play out.

If the Tribunal makes a Rules-based decision based on the real time (not slow-motion) footage, player Maynard will be exonerated.

If the Tribunal makes a political decision (entirely possible), Player Maynard will be exonerated on Appeal. 

I have a modicum of legal training and I admire your tenacity and am annoyed at criticisms directed at you,  but I disagree when you look into the AFL process and analysis.

So I guess its the old 2 lawyers and 2 opinions scenario. 

Peruke; extra bonus points for you @Jara.

Can we just get to the hearing?

Please?

There's no fool like an old fool

These dinosaurs in the media and ex players have obviously learnt nothing from the violent days of the 70's, 80's & 90's

Perhaps they want those days back

Edited September 11, 20231 yr by Macca

15 minutes ago, Timothy Reddan-A'Blew said:

Can we just get to the hearing?

Please?

I hope its delayed as long as possible so Collingwood have minimal time to appeal 

4 minutes ago, Macca said:

There's no fool like an old fool

These dinosaurs in the media and ex players have obviously learnt nothing from the violent days of the 70's, 80's & 90's

Perhaps they want those days back

I hope non of them are suffering CTE from their playing days. But going by the rubbish they constantly spit from their mouth, it’s very possible they are. 

1 hour ago, rollinson 65 said:

We are all passionate Dees supporters here so we all feel really sorry about the consequences for Gus.

Because I recognise and share that passion, I take no umbrage at the cheap shots levelled at me after I announced I was leaving this thread.

Anyone with a modicum of legal training will see how this is will play out.

If the Tribunal makes a Rules-based decision based on the real time (not slow-motion) footage, player Maynard will be exonerated.

If the Tribunal makes a political decision (entirely possible), Player Maynard will be exonerated on Appeal. 

Let’s be clear on this. 
 

You chose to cite both your experience in Australian Rules football and your legal background as some kind of muscle-flex, then added further that people who were in favour of Maynard getting suspended made you feel “ashamed”. You refer to people here taking “cheap shots” at you, but no shots came cheaper than this comment  

First of all, citing such experience (in vague terms) on an internet forum is not only weak currency, but it makes the supposition that nobody else here has the necessary insight to assess the situation. It’s as arrogant as it is dumb. 

Further to this, your argument as an “ex-player” seemed to be “Back in my day people got concussed and didn’t sook about it”. 

You seem completely oblivious to the fact that this mindset is a relic. You probably have a t-shirt that says “Real Men Don’t Eat Quiche”. 

Yes, there was a lot more “biffo” when you played for (insert irrelevant amateur club name here). Did it make the game better? Hardly. You’re suggesting a time when a bunch of semi-fit blokes with second jobs who could only kick a ball with their preferred foot is to be revered as the pinnacle of the game  

Basically, if you’re going to pull out your résumé as a reason why we’re making you feel “ashamed”, you’d want to back it up with a solid argument. But instead you’ve come across as half Mark Jackson, half Lionel Hutz. 
 

 

Edited September 11, 20231 yr by Mel Bourne

Not sure if this has been posted earlier.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2023/sep/11/concussion-an-issue-afl-cant-afford-to-smother

Question to Coach of Collingwood. Was Maynard stationed in the position he was by the Coll Coach, so as to stop quick releases from the centre bounces? What the hell happened to that part of that instruction that Maynard didn't get? 

Or what instruction was Maynard given, and will this happen again, given a propensity to being  misunderstood?

Come on Media grow some bulls, or is this like the other major issues that "you cannot handle the truth"

1 minute ago, Jaded No More said:

I hope non of them are suffering CTE from their playing days. But going by the rubbish they constantly spit from their mouth, it’s very possible they are. 

There is still a quite pronounced bloodlust amongst football fans, the media & the ex  players

Explains the lack of sympathy & empathy for Gus.  His health should be the talking point but it's a secondary issue.  A long way second

Kornes bangs on about needing to have played the sport but all that shows up is his own arrogance

But it's interesting to note how the oldies view the incident (dinosaurs are another category, more a way of thinking)

Most of the oldies remember the violent days and how players would constantly disguise their violent actions (and then plead their innocence)

48 minutes ago, rollinson 65 said:

We are all passionate Dees supporters here so we all feel really sorry about the consequences for Gus.

Because I recognise and share that passion, I take no umbrage at the cheap shots levelled at me after I announced I was leaving this thread.

Anyone with a modicum of legal training will see how this is will play out.

If the Tribunal makes a Rules-based decision based on the real time (not slow-motion) footage, player Maynard will be exonerated.

If the Tribunal makes a political decision (entirely possible), Player Maynard will be exonerated on Appeal. 

You are like the tide Rollo - you keep saying you are leaving this thread, but you keep coming back.

For what it is worth, your position has been made abundantly clear, so no need to repeat again. 

And for what it is worth, your opinion on this topic, even given your legal background, is not shared by 99.99% of Demonland. Please accept that.

And please don't respond to my post, it will simply be "returned to sender".

7 minutes ago, Engorged Onion said:

Not sure if this has been posted earlier.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2023/sep/11/concussion-an-issue-afl-cant-afford-to-smother

Great article, for the health of the players, a fundamental shift will need to happen. Not only at this level but every level of football. 

2 hours ago, leave it to deever said:

This from Sen...

" Nathan Buckley does not believe that Brayden Maynard could have done anything else in his power to avoid contact with Angus Brayshaw last Thursday ".

This is why he needs to be punished. It was a ludicrous and careless position to put Gus in. It was a deliberate decision that only had one outcome. He knew the contact with Gus would come and worsened by Maybard tucking in. Maybe he could have elected not to go full tilt at the bloke playing the game in the first instance. 

Lets say they are the right and there is nothing he could have done to avoid contact.

So what?

That's is not the issue, the issue is he decided to turn and bump.

He had other options to protect himself (and Gus) from being hurt - for example putting his hands out and pushing gus in the chest with them. 

But he decided to turn and bump. If he had time to do that he had time for other options.

Whether contact was inevitable or not is neither here nor there. It is a complete furphy as is the whole football act palaver. 

Once Koz left the ground to bump Smith, contact was inevitable but that didn't mean he got off when he chose to bump and got Smith in the head.

The rules are clear - elect to bump and if you hit a player in the head you're gone. 

3 minutes ago, Macca said:

There is still a quite pronounced bloodlust amongst football fans, the media & the ex  players

Explains the lack of sympathy & empathy for Gus.  His health should be the talking point but it's a secondary issue.  A long way second

Kornes bangs on about needing to have played the sport but all that shows up is his own arrogance

But it's interesting to note how the oldies view the incident (dinosaurs are another category, more a way of thinking)

Most of the oldies remember the violent days and how players would constantly disguise their violent actions (and then plead their innocence)

Concussion and CTE is the only subject where I don't feel that I have to seek a former player's opinion. It means something yes, but they aren't Robinson Crusoe on this matter. 

13 minutes ago, Engorged Onion said:

Not sure if this has been posted earlier.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2023/sep/11/concussion-an-issue-afl-cant-afford-to-smother

The much loved player being Brayshaw i presume??

15 minutes ago, Engorged Onion said:

Not sure if this has been posted earlier.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2023/sep/11/concussion-an-issue-afl-cant-afford-to-smother

Brilliant article.

Love this:

' “It’s understood Maynard is genuinely apologetic,” SEN reported. Apologetic for what, exactly? '

Edited September 11, 20231 yr by binman

1 hour ago, Redleg said:

May before he had played a game for us, was suspended in a Practice match, where he stopped and a player ran into him front on, without any shoulder bracing impact to the head.

Didn't hear any complaints from the media peanut gallery then.

If May did the same smother act on Daicos, there would be calls for a year ban, from the same media peanut gallery.

I can see it now " May, a tough player, took out a great ball player and should be suspended for as long as possible".

Exactly: I'm glad you brought this up. The only difference was May stood still, whereas Maynard thrust his shoulders directly at Brayshwaw's head.

Just now, binman said:

Brilliant article.

Love this:

“It’s understood Maynard is genuinely apologetic,” SEN reported. Apologetic for what, exactly? 

Moneyshot Binman.

Wasn't it a football act? Don't tell me there is a hint of guilt there. 

1 hour ago, rjay said:

Just heard Malthouse's comment.

He is spot on...thanks goodness some in the AFL community are prepared to break ranks and call it for what it is.

Also just watched a replay of the Offsiders and they were all of the view that Maynard should go.

As Roy said, he couldn't see why anyone could argue the fact.

I think the media are legit scared about the personal backlash they'll receive if they go against Collingwood supporters. Seriously.

Who's one guy that could speak his mind and not get ravaged? A bloke who won them one of their two premierships in the last multiple decades.

https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cub21ueWNvbnRlbnQuY29tL2QvcGxheWxpc3QvZmEwYTZkYjktNWJjYi00YTA5LWE4ZTktYWZhMjAwMGI5MzZkLzJkYTdhZjI0LWI5NzEtNDc0Yy04MzQ3LWFmYTIwMDVhNGIyNC80M2RhZjEyNS0yOWQwLTQ5MTAtOTViMS1hZmEyMDA1YTRiMzcvcG9kY2FzdC5yc3M/episode/Y2JiMjllYTUtZDQ1NS00YWEwLTg3MTItYjA3YTAwMTNlY2Uz?ep=14

Brilliant take by The Deebrief podcast.

I advise all Dlanders to have a listen to this. 

Bravo! 👏🏻

1 hour ago, rollinson 65 said:

We are all passionate Dees supporters here so we all feel really sorry about the consequences for Gus.

Because I recognise and share that passion, I take no umbrage at the cheap shots levelled at me after I announced I was leaving this thread.

Anyone with a modicum of legal training will see how this is will play out.

If the Tribunal makes a Rules-based decision based on the real time (not slow-motion) footage, player Maynard will be exonerated.

If the Tribunal makes a political decision (entirely possible), Player Maynard will be exonerated on Appeal. 

Every time you post, my contempt for 'Lawyers' grows.

6 minutes ago, binman said:

Brilliant article.

Love this:

' “It’s understood Maynard is genuinely apologetic,” SEN reported. Apologetic for what, exactly? '

For missing the GF.

7 minutes ago, binman said:

Lets say they are the right and there is nothing he could have done to avoid contact.

So what?

That's is not the issue, the issue is he decided to turn and bump.

He had other options to protect himself (and Gus) from being hurt - for example putting his hands out and pushing gus in the chest with them. 

But he decided to turn and bump. If he had time to do that he had time for other options.

Whether contact was inevitable or not is neither here nor there. It is a complete furphy as is the whole football act palaver. 

Once Koz left the ground to bump Smith, contact was inevitable but that didn't mean he got off when he chose to bump and got Smith in the head.

The rules are clear - elect to bump and if you hit a player in the head you're gone. 

Don't forget you and i are not getting all the filming of this major incident that should be available to the public and thus the presumptions are so frustrating. We would actually see the mindset in action, or not.