On 30/08/2023 at 13:03, Jaded No More said:

Can’t play on him if Koz plays in the middle 

We may also want to drag Quaynor up the ground by playing Kozzy higher, but I still think in a big pressure final, I'd back Kozzy one out in the square. And I rate Quaynor very highly.

Big Carl’s last game 1980

He knew how to Deal with Collingwood Players 

  On 30/08/2023 at 04:14, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

For the 60+ year olds on the forum, do you remember those games? (I'm over 60 and I don't.)

I think I remember Danny Hughes and  Brian Taylor not getting on well in the MCG game.

Also, I think I remember Collingwood kicking  a goal a millisecond after the half time siren, and we won by less than a goal!

The forward line this year has been a fascination to me - some in the media intimate it’s a massive issue and liability and I would have agreed a couple of months ago due to two things; no Fritsch, Brown, TMac, and Melksham meant not much forward craft and nous, and our forward connection was really down with little delivery to options, but the remedies have been impressive. With one addendum that Jake Melksham won’t be there to take pressure off Fritsch and provide ‘interceptor engagement’ of which is so good at. 

But back to the remedies;

Petracca - obvious one and a powerful one made even more so with Oliver coming back.

Chandler in the team - allows another speed forward in Pickett to get up the ground and also play out of the guts.

Smith being trusted - I came down for the Carl-Freo-Coll games and he was avoided in 1-1 contests like the plague but now there is more trust there.

Pickett out of the square - last week against the Swans he was a 5’8 Tony Lockett putting the fear of god into people kidneys coming out of the square. SCG is a unique ground but there is another option that Kozzie is more than happy to execute. He never can mark it so he may as well knee someone in the back of the head.

 

What we are left with after the last 8 weeks is a really potent number of options regardless of if they go small or tall with TMac. IF our forward connection is good enough and we look to hit the option and not blast away, we have a good enough forward line to kick a winning score.

Well done to Goodwin and Stafford. 

  On 30/08/2023 at 14:21, Sir Why You Little said:

Big Carl’s last game 1980

He knew how to Deal with Collingwood Players 

I was at that game. From memory the Pies were playing in the finals the following week and we were towards the bottom of the ladder. Most enjoyable memories was seeing at least three Collingwood players sprawled on the ground mid way through the last quarter all at the same time.  I think big Carl had directly contributed to two of them….. nice!

Edited August 30, 20231 yr by Wodjathefirst

I think we Go TMac in for smith, who rolls across into Melk’s role (with Melk out of the team).

Only other change would be Jordan in as sub if Laurie needs to go back.

 

  On 29/08/2023 at 03:27, Deebauched said:

Even Sam Edmond is jumping on the Grundy bandwagon and suggesting he is as good as gone to Port or Swans.  Where do they get all these rumours or is it all click bait.

Surely Grundy is a required player. Gawn could get injured in the QF especially if that yank slams his knee into him.

 

It'll be Tmac for Melksham in my opinion and Tmac will be told to get on his bike and be the link up player 

  On 30/08/2023 at 14:21, Sir Why You Little said:

Big Carl’s last game 1980

He knew how to Deal with Collingwood Players 

Big Carl!

Didn't get to see him myself but from everything I've read and heard I like to think he brought some order back to the Dees. 

  On 30/08/2023 at 18:52, rpfc said:

Pickett out of the square - last week against the Swans he was a 5’8 Tony Lockett putting the fear of god into people kidneys coming out of the square. SCG is a unique ground but there is another option that Kozzie is more than happy to execute. He never can mark it so he may as well knee someone in the back of the head.

An interesting and observant post..

...

But i really liked this paragraph...esp...the last bit !!!    lol

  On 30/08/2023 at 18:52, rpfc said:

The forward line this year has been a fascination to me - some in the media intimate it’s a massive issue and liability and I would have agreed a couple of months ago due to two things; no Fritsch, Brown, TMac, and Melksham meant not much forward craft and nous, and our forward connection was really down with little delivery to options, but the remedies have been impressive. With one addendum that Jake Melksham won’t be there to take pressure off Fritsch and provide ‘interceptor engagement’ of which is so good at. 

But back to the remedies;

Petracca - obvious one and a powerful one made even more so with Oliver coming back.

Chandler in the team - allows another speed forward in Pickett to get up the ground and also play out of the guts.

Smith being trusted - I came down for the Carl-Freo-Coll games and he was avoided in 1-1 contests like the plague but now there is more trust there.

Pickett out of the square - last week against the Swans he was a 5’8 Tony Lockett putting the fear of god into people kidneys coming out of the square. SCG is a unique ground but there is another option that Kozzie is more than happy to execute. He never can mark it so he may as well knee someone in the back of the head.

 

What we are left with after the last 8 weeks is a really potent number of options regardless of if they go small or tall with TMac. IF our forward connection is good enough and we look to hit the option and not blast away, we have a good enough forward line to kick a winning score.

Well done to Goodwin and Stafford. 

Yeah well said, the Joel Smith we see now is different to the one that played those games. He needed that consistent stint to fine tine some things is his game and while he isn't perfect I'd be backing him to put up a fight in those contests.

T-Mac is the key for mine, if he's healthy and has a good level of moving ability then I'm more confident with the balance of this forward group. It won't be about mark and goal tallies for him, just needs to perform his role. 

  On 30/08/2023 at 22:34, layzie said:

Big Carl!

Didn't get to see him myself but from everything I've read and heard I like to think he brought some order back to the Dees. 

He didn’t have much success as a coach but he put a hardness back into the team which was pussycat soft before he came over. 

  On 30/08/2023 at 23:30, John Crow Batty said:

He didn’t have much success as a coach but he put a hardness back into the team which was pussycat soft before he came over. 

Didn't the other players "team mates" stand tall when he was on the field. 

  On 30/08/2023 at 22:34, layzie said:

Big Carl!

Didn't get to see him myself but from everything I've read and heard I like to think he brought some order back to the Dees. 

Carl specialised in disorderly, rather than orderly, conduct.

  On 30/08/2023 at 22:43, layzie said:

Yeah well said, the Joel Smith we see now is different to the one that played those games. He needed that consistent stint to fine tine some things is his game and while he isn't perfect I'd be backing him to put up a fight in those contests.

T-Mac is the key for mine, if he's healthy and has a good level of moving ability then I'm more confident with the balance of this forward group. It won't be about mark and goal tallies for him, just needs to perform his role. 

T Mac also provides the experience that Melky has and will be missed, just guiding the younger boys if things are not going our way could be important in front of a big crowd 

Edited August 31, 20231 yr by Rednblueriseing

  On 30/08/2023 at 13:32, Binmans PA said:

We may also want to drag Quaynor up the ground by playing Kozzy higher, but I still think in a big pressure final, I'd back Kozzy one out in the square. And I rate Quaynor very highly.

TMac to Moore

JVR to Murphy

Fritsch to Quaynor?

  On 31/08/2023 at 00:07, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

Carl specialised in disorderly, rather than orderly, conduct.

 

Watching last years Rd 22 game and Cox is a dog. The number of times he knees Gawn is disgusting.

I also hope someone takes out Maynard and his faux toughness.

Very interesting first half. We killed then in CPs but allowed them to score too easily.

 

 

Not sure if he will or not, but if TMac gets selected to play finals it will be an absolute credit to him and his amazing determination, persistence and never-give-in attitude given the injuries and the time out he’s had over the last few years. If he is fit and in form we are a better side with him playing.

  On 31/08/2023 at 00:28, jnrmac said:

Watching last years Rd 22 game and Cox is a dog. The number of times he knees Gawn is disgusting.

I also hope someone takes out Maynard and his faux toughness.

Very interesting first half. We killed then in CPs but allowed them to score too easily.

 

 

I rewatched this year's KB game.

One thing we did superbly was to push our D line up the field. Many times McVee, Salem or May/Lever would disrupt Collingwood's fast transition. We created a lot of turnovers from Collingwood's turnover attempts.

  On 31/08/2023 at 00:16, ElDiablo14 said:

TMac to Moore

JVR to Murphy

Fritsch to Quaynor?

I'd rather Smith in that mix. It was Smith and Fritta that rotated on Moore on KB. TMac is too slow to play on Moore, I reckon. Unless TMac can drag Moore up the ground, but that makes his intercept marking potentially more dangerous.

It's a tough one.

  On 30/08/2023 at 14:46, Jumping Jack Clennett said:

I think I remember Danny Hughes and  Brian Taylor not getting on well in the MCG game.

Also, I think I remember Collingwood kicking  a goal a millisecond after the half time siren, and we won by less than a goal!

BT in prison strip running around after Danny Hughes at Her Majesty’s MCG gave the keystone cops a run for their money. We were most amused!

Robbie Flower took a terrific pack mark and kicked a goal (of course) at the Jolimont end during that match.

  On 31/08/2023 at 00:28, jnrmac said:

Watching last years Rd 22 game and Cox is a dog. The number of times he knees Gawn is disgusting.

Does it every time we play them he is an absolute scumbag, hopefully the club has pointed this out to the AFL. Fairly certain he did it on QB 2022 which contributed to Maxys injury.

Only day rain predicted in the next fortnight is Thursday, pies must be out there doing a rain dance 

  On 31/08/2023 at 00:28, jnrmac said:

Watching last years Rd 22 game and Cox is a dog. The number of times he knees Gawn is disgusting.

I also hope someone takes out Maynard and his faux toughness.

Very interesting first half. We killed then in CPs but allowed them to score too easily.

 

 

I know it's frowned upon by the pc fun police  but the only way to enlighten Mr Cox is by introducing him to close quarter horticultural experiences  ;)