PREGAME: Rd 17 vs St. Kilda

[The heart beats true 18,093]

5 hours ago, Nicko said:

I’m not sure if it’s been mentioned in this or other threads but did anyone else notice the many, many times Max and BBB were competing for the same mark against the giants?!?

please don’t do this against the saints, it just invites every tall defender to exactly the same spot (which would be fine if we decided to hit up other targets…!?)

 

I know nobody wants to hear this, but this is a huge part of our strategy going into the forward line. It’s designed to create either a mark, or a stoppage. Worst case scenario we get a stoppage and get set up behind the ball for multiple entries. 

We’ve been doing this for at least 3 seasons. The problem is that for the last 2 seasons every defensive coach whose watched 3 minutes of opposition intel knows we are going to do it. It also means we get a lot of repeat entries forward from stoppages. Sadly there is literally 30 players in our 50, making attempts at goal statistically a lot less likely. 

We play a very defence first game plan. We are literally defending the ground by kicking to 2 tall players in our forward 50. It’s infuriating, but it’s part of the reason we don’t get blown away in games either.

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

B:  Lever,  May,  Turner (or Howes)

HB:  Salem,  Petty,  Rivers

C:  McVee,  Oliver,  Langdon

HF:  Bowey,  Brown,  Smith

F:  Pickett,  J V Rooyen,  Melksham

FOLL: Gawn,  Viney,  Petracca

IC:  Jordon,  Woewodin,  Brayshaw, Sparrow

SUB: Grundy

In:  Turner or Howes,  Clarry,  Jordon,  Woewodin,  J V Rooyen

Out:  Harmes,  Chandler,  Hunter,  Grundy,  ANB

Edited July 4, 2023 by Demon Dynasty

[WERRIDEE 5,429]

1 hour ago, spirit of norm smith said:

I love it. Brave. Progressive.  Howes and Woey deserve the chance.  Marvel suits their run and athletic ability. 
Though not sure on Melksham - that’s a risk given he’s only his last legs right now.  
But I doubt that love children like Smith or ANB actually get omitted.  Spargo despite no form also likely to be a Goody loves me inclusion.  

Goody has too much faith in the 2021 premiership side time to move on and blood some youngsters. This is our last chance if we can't beat St.Kilda we won't make finals.

[WERRIDEE 5,429]

21 minutes ago, Demon Dynasty said:

B:  Lever,  May,  Turner (or Howes)

HB:  Salem,  Petty,  Rivers

C:  McVee,  Oliver,  Langdon

HF:  Sparrow,  Brown,  Smith

F:  Pickett,  J V Rooyen,  Melksham

FOLL: Gawn,  Viney,  Petracca

IC:  Jordon,  Woewodin,  Brayshaw,  Moniz-Wakefield

SUB: Grundy

In:  Turner or Howes,  Clarry,  Jordon,  Woewodin,  Moniz-Wakfield

Out:  Harmes,  Chandler,  Hunter,  Grundy,  ANB

The sides not that bad but doubt Grundy and Hunter will be dropped. Moniz-Wakfield won't play he kicked 3 on the weekend but didn't score to many goals before that. You also didn't name van Rooyen in the ins. You left Bowey out of the side.

Edited July 4, 2023 by WERRIDEE

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

32 minutes ago, WERRIDEE said:

The sides not that bad but doubt Grundy and Hunter will be dropped. Moniz-Wakfield won't play he kicked 3 on the weekend but didn't score to many goals before that. You also didn't name van Rooyen in the ins. You left Bowey out of the side.

Yes forgot about Bowey.  Almost our MVP last week 😅

Im not expecting any or many of these to happen W.  Just my take of what i feel is the best 22 based on form at both AFL level and Casey (over the last two to three weeks).

Fixed.... had to leave Andy out.  He's very close though imv.  If he kicks 2 or 3 again and plays as a pressure defender inside along with some smarts with ball in hand he needs serious consideration imv.  Haven't seen alot from Chandler or Kozzy the last few weeks.  Chandler hasn't threaded a goal in 5 weeks.  Kozzy playing hollywood footy most of the time other than inside 50 pressure.

Jefferson and Howes probably need one more pre-season.  Jefferson played his best game for Casey on Sunday.  Howes was quite good again but might need a few extra kgs to survive the rigours of AFL for more than a few matches.  Same with Jefferson.

Dunstan is very cool in a crisis and a beautiful distributor of the ball in traffic by hand.  The feet are a 50/50 but he also gets the job done on occasions here as well.

Casey are well drilled, more structured, better at ground ball gets, ball movement, finish/connection coming inside 50 and at set shots than the AFL team.

Entirely different level of oppo of course but they're so well drilled and everyone plays their role to a T.  Like a well oiled machine.

Steele & Moose also outstanding against GWS.  D Smith pretty darn good...again.  If Munro had a few years in him i'd sign him up tomorrow.  Would be our equivalent of Libba.

Where was Tomo?

For anyone who didn't get the chance but wants to see some great examples of ball movement from Casey, you might want to watch the play at the 8 minute mark of the third.  And most of the last quarter!  Lovely stuff indeed.  Woe 2.0 also getting involved in many chains now.  Exciting stuff from the kid.

Edited July 4, 2023 by Demon Dynasty

[JJR 681]

Interesting, got us favs against Lions on the betting market.

[Dee Zephyr 19,267]

1 hour ago, JJR said:

Interesting, got us favs against Lions on the betting market.

Noticed that, Lions are $2.30 the week after. Fantastic odds for those that like to back against their own team and brag about it. 

[Roger Mellie 3,959]

Out: Harmes (congrats on 150 games), Fritsch, Smith

In: Oliver, JVR, Spargo

Sub - either keep Melksham only as sub as his lack of leg speed will be exposed on the dry deck at Marvel. Or, throw in Jordon if Oliver gets reduced game time or as back-up

[Engorged Onion 10,215]

10 hours ago, The heart beats true said:

I know nobody wants to hear this, but this is a huge part of our strategy going into the forward line. It’s designed to create either a mark, or a stoppage. Worst case scenario we get a stoppage and get set up behind the ball for multiple entries. 

We’ve been doing this for at least 3 seasons. The problem is that for the last 2 seasons every defensive coach whose watched 3 minutes of opposition intel knows we are going to do it. It also means we get a lot of repeat entries forward from stoppages. Sadly there is literally 30 players in our 50, making attempts at goal statistically a lot less likely. 

We play a very defence first game plan. We are literally defending the ground by kicking to 2 tall players in our forward 50. It’s infuriating, but it’s part of the reason we don’t get blown away in games either.

it's just not good enough 🤷‍♂️

[praha 11,226]

2 hours ago, Dee Zephyr said:

Noticed that, Lions are $2.30 the week after. Fantastic odds for those that like to back against their own team and brag about it. 

As good as they'll get. GWS starting at almost $5 last week was rather fascinating.

[layzie 33,729]

2 hours ago, Dee Zephyr said:

Noticed that, Lions are $2.30 the week after. Fantastic odds for those that like to back against their own team and brag about it. 

The juice is loosening with those odds. 

[DEE32 93]

Bowey into the forward line is never going to happen. If you want better kicks and connecter I believe Spargo is that player and would come in for Chandler. 
I like first half ANB not last half ANB so I’d look to bring Woey in for his Debut, and ANB would be Sub. Woey to play the half game. 
JVR comes in for Frittata. I think we have enough swing players to cover a key player injury. The Back half stays solid. Andy Moniz Wakefield, outside chance to take that Chandler spot considering fast deck for some spark. But one debut at a time be preference.

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

1 hour ago, Roger Mellie said:

Out: Harmes (congrats on 150 games), Fritsch, Smith

In: Oliver, JVR, Spargo

Sub - either keep Melksham only as sub as his lack of leg speed will be exposed on the dry deck at Marvel. Or, throw in Jordon if Oliver gets reduced game time or as back-up

Smith needs at least another game to see how he goes in good conditions imv RM.

Melk the same.  Agree re leg speed but very hard for him or anyone (even Fritta/Kozzy) to work their craft when so many just sit back deep and crowd out the 30 meter hot zone.  Need to get on their bike.

Just need to get the ball in to him quickly in a 1 v 1 a few times out the back.  He's in the best form ive seen goal kicking wise Since 2018.  He'll get the job done if we can do that half a dozen times or so.

Spargo was so far off the pace the last time he played and wasn't that much chop in his Casey appearance.  Did ok but nothing that warranted a quick return call up imho.

Moniz's game on Sunday was a ripper.  Some lovely crumbing, snaps and a long bomb from 45 out.  If he rolls that form out again this week they'd be mad not to look at him.

Too much faith for too long in some of the senior boys from Goodwin.  Need to reward some of the Casey performers more often once they string some form together.

Will also keep some of the fringe/out-of-form players upstairs honest & on their toes and or see them back at Casey where they have a bit more time/space to work hard & hopefully find it once again.

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11 hours ago, WERRIDEE said:

Goody has too much faith in the 2021 premiership side time to move on and blood some youngsters. This is our last chance if we can't beat St.Kilda we won't make finals.

We'll know at the selection table. He must make changes otherwise nothing will change.  ANB, Harmes etc need to be replaced. Whilst Jordon got 40 odd touches he doesn't impact at AFL level. I fear Goody will play it safe and not show any dare or vision.

[ben russell 764]

Oliver looks like he misses again.
 

https://twitter.com/RobWaters10/status/1676392086885773312?s=20

Edited July 5, 2023 by ben russell

[ben russell 764]

OUT: Fritsch, Harmes

IN: JVR, Spargo

Desperately need players who can actually hit a target inside the forward 50. Spargo is one of our best at doing that. JVR for Fritsch makes sense.

[YesitwasaWin4theAges 6,679]

22 hours ago, A F said:

Trac should play the Fritta role. Smith plays as a dummy/decoy forward almost and certainly plays a defensive role at times too. Fritta is the guy they're really going through.

I'd be trying to go through Trac and he's hopefully involving BB and JVR with his elite assist game.

Tracc could open up the whole forward line if the coaches are smart, but that they are not.

Edited July 5, 2023 by YesitwasaWin4theAges

[Demonland 71,211]

 

[Older demon 2,741]

18 minutes ago, ben russell said:

Oliver looks like he misses again.
 

https://twitter.com/RobWaters10/status/1676392086885773312?s=20

SEN reporter said something similar. Media were allowed to attend warm-up only where there was extra goal-kicking practice and Clayton was doing run-throughs and pulled up and went straight in side. No follow-up report or whether Clayton re appeared but doesn't look good.

[Docs Demons 1,778]

4 minutes ago, Demonland said:

 

That's not good.

[Ollie fan 3,363]

We have to wear not having Oliver at the moment. We can still win games. But IMV Petty forward, Tomlinson into the back line, but the real MUST is to change our tactics so that the kicking into the forward line is done by precision kickers and not long bombers. I love how Lingers plays but his kicking is not precise. We should have people like Salem, Bowey, McVee and Tommo running past to do the actual forward delivery. 
 

 

[HBDee 360]

Sydney did it well against Geelong last week where they honoured the short kick to just in or just outside 50. All of Geelong's defenders sagged off opponents to intercept and Sydney just hit the short kick.

Second half, Geelong had to adjust and go more man on man. The result. You can then kick longer to one on ones.

It literally would only take half a game to change to this sort of tactic that would potentially then allow some longer targets in the second half. Not sure why we don't do this nearly every game.

[Demonland 71,211]

 

[At the break of Gawn 4,460]

What is going on with Oliver? This seems totally mismanaged.

[Demonland 71,211]