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On 5/21/2023 at 9:17 PM, monoccular said:

I posted this in the Hunter reported thread and would like your opinions.  It is a blight that players are allowed, indeed encouraged in a way, to put their heads and necks in jeopardy. Headlong into a pack or into another player should be penalised against the kamikaze player.  
Remember Christian has been humiliated by Melbourne, who he already hates, so no way will Hunter not be suspended for an action entirely initiated by Rozee.  
I have mentioned before numerous times, players charging headlong into packs or other players need to be penalised themselves - if not there will be some poor bugger left paralysed and an “innocent bystander” forever condemned just for being there.”

Just for clarification are you against the action by Rozee or Hunter?

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Was this a good match to lose?  While we always want to bank the four points, I increasingly think that “it’s not enough to play 1 decent quarter to win” is a better lesson than “we can still scrape by playing about 1 good quarter”. 

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5 hours ago, Demonland said:

Just for clarification are you against the action by Rozee or Hunter?

Hunter the innocent bystander: kamikaze Rozee the assailant.  
 

 

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Long time listener first time questioner. Most supporters know with eyes closed the Demons systems, (May kicking to left point of square most evident) so of course our opponents are well versed in these as well, do you guys think the percentages are now against our favour, and our way is beyond predictable. It almost looks like teams are better prepared than we are lately. Mopping up easily if ball hits the ground.

Love the show, keep up the good work! 

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@binman when does the loading begin? Will it be from round 11 (similar to last year)?
Do our results allow for the heavy sessions this year? 
Will we need the heavy sessions if we have an improved fitness base from prior sessions.  
And finally, could we target particular players so we don’t have a complete squad fatigued on game day?

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On 5/22/2023 at 1:43 PM, YearOfTheDees said:

I'm no coach and happy to admit it but Gawn and Grundy wants wrong with one on each side of the ground for kick-ins.

Great question though.

 

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3 hours ago, DEE32 said:

Long time listener first time questioner. Most supporters know with eyes closed the Demons systems, (May kicking to left point of square most evident) so of course our opponents are well versed in these as well, do you guys think the percentages are now against our favour, and our way is beyond predictable. It almost looks like teams are better prepared than we are lately. Mopping up easily if ball hits the ground.

Love the show, keep up the good work! 

 

3 hours ago, Gunna’s said:

@binman when does the loading begin? Will it be from round 11 (similar to last year)?
Do our results allow for the heavy sessions this year? 
Will we need the heavy sessions if we have an improved fitness base from prior sessions.  
And finally, could we target particular players so we don’t have a complete squad fatigued on game day?

Sorry guys. Didn't see these until after the podcast.

I generally collate all the questions for the podcast on the day (morning/early afternoon) of the Podcast usually Monday. I often can't fit in the ones that come in late or just before showtime. I appreciate the questions as they form an integral part of the show. Please get the in earlier if you want them answered on the podcast.

@DEE32 I think we answered this on the podcast anyway.

@Gunna’s - @binman can probably answer this for you here.

Thanks for listening.

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Great podcast. Thanks very much. Not sure about the fumbling being accounted for by the dew at the Gabba and rain at Adelaide. If anything the 3rd Quarter  was the wettest and we played our best footy. 

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Half way through this week's episode. Good to hear the different approach to grieving the loss this week. I think I was the other way round myself where I needed DL to vent and ramble like a silly person but shielded myself from First crack and all those shows. 

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26 minutes ago, layzie said:

Half way through this week's episode. Good to hear the different approach to grieving the loss this week. I think I was the other way round myself where I needed DL to vent and ramble like a silly person but shielded myself from First crack and all those shows. 

My reasoning is that I didn't want to be sad in the sun. 😎

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Great show as always guys.  Huge thanks again, for the time and effort that you put into it.

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Just listening to last night's podcast.

@binman mentioned he heard on the radio we added an extra to the stoppage during a week we were without Max. I just wonder if that was the Essendon game in the rain.

And it should be noted that we don't always go -1 at every stoppage. We often go 1v1.

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And Positive Binners also asked what was Geelong's record against top 8 sides at this stage last year.

Well, they were 2-3 against top 8 sides to Round 10, not drastically different from us this year.

They beat Collingwood by 13 points and Brisbane by 10 points (at Geelong).

They lost to Sydney by 30 points (in Sydney), they lost to Fremantle by 3 points (at Geelong) and they lost to St Kilda (who were in the 8 at the time) by 10 points.

Meantime, they 'beat up' on easy beats Essendon by 66 points, North by 60 points and GWS by 53 points, and lost to lowly Hawthorn by 12 points. I wonder if Geelong supporters were saying the same thing about their team last year at this stage?

As I've said on a few occasions now, Geelong's 2022 form line is remarkably similar to our 2023 form line. And Geelong's soft draw in the second half of 2022, is comparable with our soft draw in the second half of 2023.

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16 hours ago, A F said:

And Positive Binners also asked what was Geelong's record against top 8 sides at this stage last year.

Well, they were 2-3 against top 8 sides to Round 10, not drastically different from us this year.

They beat Collingwood by 13 points and Brisbane by 10 points (at Geelong).

They lost to Sydney by 30 points (in Sydney), they lost to Fremantle by 3 points (at Geelong) and they lost to St Kilda (who were in the 8 at the time) by 10 points.

Meantime, they 'beat up' on easy beats Essendon by 66 points, North by 60 points and GWS by 53 points, and lost to lowly Hawthorn by 12 points. I wonder if Geelong supporters were saying the same thing about their team last year at this stage?

As I've said on a few occasions now, Geelong's 2022 form line is remarkably similar to our 2023 form line. And Geelong's soft draw in the second half of 2022, is comparable with our soft draw in the second half of 2023.

Thanks AF for that info.

The coverage of football [censored] me to death. Collective memories of particularly slow gold fish.

At this point last year the media were all the cats are dads army, the cliff has come blah blah blah.

Cut to the finals and the media is lauding their fitness, their experience, their slow build and banging on about how well they managed their players (echoed on here too - suddenly the cats were the exemplars in terms of resting players, more players thru the middle).

And then they trot out the line that clubs always look to the previous flag winner for cues. And that is exactly what the cats did - copied our preparation and essentially game plan too.

Well, it would very much appear that is what we are doing this year - ie copying some of the things the cats did to win the flag last year.

And as we approach finals, after a couple of months of pearl clutching about the dees form around the middle of the season, and the dees start stringing the wins together again and begin to look very ominous, the 360 and first crack peanuts will suddenly have the exact same revelations they have every year - the flag is not won in May and June, there's essentially two seasons - H&A and finals - and it is all about peaking in September blah blah blah.

And then, like this has suddenly dawned on them, despite having put much the same graphic up every year, they will put a graphic with the sort of info below up to support the idea that dees are building very nicely thank you very much:

W-L record of last 10 premiers after round 10

W-L record of last 10 premiers after round 10

2013 Hawks 9 wins 1 loss
2014 Hawks 7-3 
2015 Hawks 6-4 
2016 Dogs   7-3
2017 Tigers 6-4
2018 Eagles 9-1 (ironically massive flag favs all season, tigers, were also 9-1)
2019 Tigers  7-3 
2020 Tigers  6-3-1  
2021 Dees    9-1  (but in next 7 games went 2 wins, 4 losses and a draw)
2022 Cats    6-4

2023 Dees 7-3

10 seasons is a pretty good sample size. The pattern is pretty damn clear. Seven of the ten winners not better than 70 30 after 10 rounds.

But sure, let’s write off the dees premiership chances at round 10 on the back of a 4 points loss against a team coming off six straight wins on their home deck, in conditions that suited them better and off a six day break. 

It’s like some weird footy take on the quote from philosopher George Santayana, ‘those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it’.

 

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