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  On 31/08/2023 at 01:44, ElDiablo14 said:

I believe these figures are only for our home games, so Hobart is not counted here.

I have provided 3 sets of figures.

Average Home, Average Away and Average Home and Away.

The Alice game effects the Home and the Hobart game effects the Away (as does the reduced attendance at the Cattery). They both effect the Home and Away.

Average Home

Average Away

Average Home and Away

I hate to even be saying this out loud and I accept any howls of derision sent my way. We all admire our supporter group for hanging tough over the years with the Dees but (Can't believe I'm putting this out there) but look at those Essendon numbers. After what that Club has put it's supporters through off field and how bad they've been onfield. Talk about "rusted on". Bit like Trump supporters. Doesn't matter what they do they stay devoted.

  On 31/08/2023 at 02:12, Its Time for Another said:

I hate to even be saying this out loud and I accept any howls of derision sent my way. We all admire our supporter group for hanging tough over the years with the Dees but (Can't believe I'm putting this out there) but look at those Essendon numbers. After what that Club has put it's supporters through off field and how bad they've been onfield. Talk about "rusted on". Bit like Trump supporters. Doesn't matter what they do they stay devoted.

When up and going, they're as big as Collingwood, Carlton and Richmond. There's still a reasonable drop off.

  On 31/08/2023 at 02:12, Its Time for Another said:

I hate to even be saying this out loud and I accept any howls of derision sent my way. We all admire our supporter group for hanging tough over the years with the Dees but (Can't believe I'm putting this out there) but look at those Essendon numbers. After what that Club has put it's supporters through off field and how bad they've been onfield. Talk about "rusted on". Bit like Trump supporters. Doesn't matter what they do they stay devoted.

I take the same view but for West Coast. Look at their average. Nearly filling out Optus Stadium each week in a season in which they produced the worst football since either us under Neeld or Fitzroy. Those figures are incredible. 

All I take from that is that Hawthorn have the biggest bunch of bandwagon supporters going round

Yeah, we are not as big as Essendon. Happy to be awesome for 25 years and peg them back…

Meanwhile take the Alice Springs game out and our average for the other 10 games was 48,786, above Essendon and just shy of Richmond. 

I would think we are about to be a part of a record for a Thursday night match

  On 31/08/2023 at 02:32, Binmans PA said:

When up and going, they're as big as Collingwood, Carlton and Richmond. There's still a reasonable drop off.

57 years will do that to a team. Win a premiership I reckon we can hit 75-80k next year. 

But to join the Pies we would need sustained success over a 2 decades. The odd drop off here Ana a mini rebuild there. but at least 3-4 flags in that time. 

  On 31/08/2023 at 01:33, Bitter but optimistic said:

Those figures represent crowds at a match. They say nothing about supporter break up. Is that so?

Don't start that argument. It's the same as each team plays each other over a season. 

We are now becoming a bigger Club season by season. 

  On 31/08/2023 at 01:33, Bitter but optimistic said:

Those figures represent crowds at a match. They say nothing about supporter break up. Is that so?

 

  On 31/08/2023 at 19:17, 58er said:

Don't start that argument. It's the same as each team plays each other over a season. 

We are now becoming a bigger Club season by season. 

 

I don't see where there was any intention to start an argument.

He made a reasonable observation for comparisons to other clubs (especially the 'Big 4').

We play a lot of Home games vs i/state teams or smaller Vic clubs at which we would have a higher % of supporters.  Whereas the 'Big 4' have a lot of 'double up' games against each other. Their % of supporters would be lower albeit with much larger crowds.

Without the actual figures, it is fair to say we would have an excellent Home game ratio of dees supporters vs the opps.   At this year's ANZAC Eve we outnumbered the Tiger fans and were close to 50/50 for the KB game. 

Everyone would agree and be delighted at mfc being a bigger club each season.

Edited August 31, 20231 yr by Lucifers Hero

  On 31/08/2023 at 02:12, Its Time for Another said:

I hate to even be saying this out loud and I accept any howls of derision sent my way. We all admire our supporter group for hanging tough over the years with the Dees but (Can't believe I'm putting this out there) but look at those Essendon numbers. After what that Club has put it's supporters through off field and how bad they've been onfield. Talk about "rusted on". Bit like Trump supporters. Doesn't matter what they do they stay devoted.

Give them another 25 years in the wilderness, and lets see how those figures hold up...?

 

  On 26/04/2023 at 12:33, In Harmes Way said:

I'd reckon it would be concerning to the AFL that only one interstate club is in the top 9. 

They couldn’t care once the TV rights money keeps coming in and Auskick -Mods footy numbers remain high so KPI’s are met.

Other red flags with drop off in junior footy from Yr 8 onwards, country footy and other grass roots issues are not something they trouble themselves over

  On 31/08/2023 at 02:12, Its Time for Another said:

I hate to even be saying this out loud and I accept any howls of derision sent my way. We all admire our supporter group for hanging tough over the years with the Dees but (Can't believe I'm putting this out there) but look at those Essendon numbers. After what that Club has put it's supporters through off field and how bad they've been onfield. Talk about "rusted on". Bit like Trump supporters. Doesn't matter what they do they stay devoted.

But thats part of their problem. They are fanatical. The night of the bread rolls got rid of Matthew Knights, they demand to press boundaries all the time, and love their own like Dodoro despite all the evidence they aren't progressing. Very much like Carlton but the difference is Carlton have had patience and finally moved past the old brown paper bag era. Essendon havent got their game together for the modern game. The bombers have had many high picks and they are still a long way off. And I rate Scott as a coach. thats one good appointment but he was about their 4th choice, as the other fell down. 

We will have a higher aggregate by doing two simple things.

Scrap the Alice Springs non event.

Lobby AFL for no more  Norff games in Tasmania. Let Collingwood Essendon Catlton and Richmond go there for a while.

Pigs will fly too.

  On 01/09/2023 at 02:38, Deebauched said:

We will have a higher aggregate by doing two simple things.

Scrap the Alice Springs non event.

Lobby AFL for no more  Norff games in Tasmania. Let Collingwood Essendon Catlton and Richmond go there for a while.

Pigs will fly too.

I like the way you've subtly merged Geelong with the Blues.

  On 01/09/2023 at 02:08, PaulRB said:

Give them another 25 years in the wilderness, and lets see how those figures hold up...?

 

More than happy to 

  On 31/08/2023 at 20:00, Lucifers Hero said:

 

 

I don't see where there was any intention to start an argument.

He made a reasonable observation for comparisons to other clubs (especially the 'Big 4').

We play a lot of Home games vs i/state teams or smaller Vic clubs at which we would have a higher % of supporters.  Whereas the 'Big 4' have a lot of 'double up' games against each other. Their % of supporters would be lower albeit with much larger crowds.

Without the actual figures, it is fair to say we would have an excellent Home game ratio of dees supporters vs the opps.   At this year's ANZAC Eve we outnumbered the Tiger fans and were close to 50/50 for the KB game. 

Everyone would agree and be delighted at mfc being a bigger club each season.

Welcome Back Luci hope your holiday was great.

But you have completely misread my post. "Argument" may not be the best description of my point. 

A recent post by a DLander recently this season alluded to our attendances by saying some of our crowds figures were boosted by the bigger Clubs and in their opinion did not reflect that our supporters were part of the excellent attendances we were getting. 

If you read BBO's question I believe he could be more asking about MFC % of fans in our figures to detract rather than highlight our very credible attendance figures in 2023.

My point is that all Clubs play each other and one of the major issues are the Alice Springs fixture plus the Blundstone Arena Kangaroos game. BTW I still think we should maintain that game as a football development and tourism event for the NT people's benefit.  This years crowd was affected notably by the tension and racial drinking issues in that City. 

Actually we easily got half or more of the 8,000 Blundstone crowd if you compare the game Nth vs Suns last week which was only 4,000. But it still robs us of say 10,000 or more than if we played at Marvel. (Granted this is an away game in any case but just making a point).

For the record we are sitting at the stage of being the nearest to theTop 4 Big Clubs Pies Blues Tigers and Bombers and are 5th/6th now ahead of all other Victorian and Interstate Clubs in the AFL. Compared to our membership we are doing extremely well and increasing season by season accordingly.

Cats will undoubtedly increase from next year as their redeveloped home ground can take 40,000 and May be the AFL will be fair and send ALL Clubs their to GHMBA Stadium, especially if the GFC can raise their profits for each home game to near or greater than if they play at the G.

The Caro's and and Sam McLure's of the world should study these figures and understand where we are in the very competitive market of AFL plus only about 12,000 off our MCG home target of 50,000 per game in our 2020 Strategic Plan. 

Well done Dees fans and if the crowd next Thursday is more than 93,500 (approx) we will have attracted our ONE millionth fan to our games for 2023.

No mean feat no matter which way you look at it Caro and Sam? 

  On 01/09/2023 at 03:56, 58er said:

Actually we easily got half or more of the 8,000 Blundstone crowd

Of the 8000 i reckon 7000 were MFC supporters. Barely a Norf fan to be seen.

  On 01/09/2023 at 04:42, Clintosaurus said:

Of the 8000 i reckon 7000 were MFC supporters. Barely a Norf fan to be seen.

It sounded like it.

 

  On 01/09/2023 at 03:56, 58er said:

Welcome Back Luci hope your holiday was great.

But you have completely misread my post. "Argument" may not be the best description of my point. 

A recent post by a DLander recently this season alluded to our attendances by saying some of our crowds figures were boosted by the bigger Clubs and in their opinion did not reflect that our supporters were part of the excellent attendances we were getting. 

If you read BBO's question I believe he could be more asking about MFC % of fans in our figures to detract rather than highlight our very credible attendance figures in 2023.

 

Mate you read my question - it's a question FFS !

Do you find death threats concealed in your Christmas cards ?

  On 01/09/2023 at 08:49, Bitter but optimistic said:

Mate you read my question - it's a question FFS !

Do you find death threats concealed in your Christmas cards ?

Well BBO why did you ask the question when 95% of football followers know what the figures on attendances are?

 

  On 01/09/2023 at 03:56, 58er said:

Welcome Back Luci hope your holiday was great.

 

 

If you read BBO's question I believe he could be more asking about MFC % of fans in our figures to detract rather than highlight our very credible attendance figures in 2023.

Thanks, had a great holiday!

Generally, I agree with your comments that our supporter attendance is very good for our size and the teams we play.

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Re this:  If you read BBO's question I believe he could be more asking about MFC % of fans in our figures to detract rather than highlight our very credible attendance figures in 2023.

I reread the question and didn't interpret it as negatively asking about or detracting from very good supporter attendances.  I saw no hidden meaning. 

 

  On 01/09/2023 at 08:49, Bitter but optimistic said:

Mate you read my question - it's a question FFS !

Do you find death threats concealed in your Christmas cards ?

 

  On 01/09/2023 at 13:27, 58er said:

Well BBO why did you ask the question when 95% of football followers know what the figures on attendances are?

Interpretations vary so maybe we move on.

 

Edited September 1, 20231 yr by Lucifers Hero

  On 31/08/2023 at 12:22, Gawndy the Great said:

57 years will do that to a team. Win a premiership I reckon we can hit 75-80k next year. 

But to join the Pies we would need sustained success over a 2 decades. The odd drop off here Ana a mini rebuild there. but at least 3-4 flags in that time. 

Gawndy, while we might gain some new supporters the year after we win the flag I think it's more about people wanting to sign up for a team who is viewed as a contender each year and consistently challenges.  We are a very attractive club for new supporters having won a flag in 2021, finished top 4 for 3 years running, but most importantly we have consistently been in the discussion re premiership contenders during this time, and with our list profile we are capable of challenging for the next 5 years.