On 17/10/2023 at 21:59, Dee*ceiving said:

Agree. It was a long season for Salem after his thyroid issue followed by a knew complaint. His first 3 or 4 games after retruning were excellent. 
He was close to BOG for us v PA in the wet (IMO) and very good KB v Pies. He was clearly running on empty late in the season. 

I also agree with the other poster re: trying him forward. He has a low centre of gravity and uses his body well for his size and was once a one grab player.  

Tend to agree the idea of Kozzie playing for long periods of a game in the midfield is a bit silly. I think people get confused between having a good tank and being able to cover the ground with some gut running. I go to every game in Melbourne and watched Koz closely this year. After repeat contests the guy is completely spent at times with hands on knees sucking it in. And this is fine because he's predominantly a forward and is coached and set up to perform in short bursts. Which is why he's good in the midfield to impact.... in short bursts.

Myself others like the idea of either Salem or Bowey playing more forward half this year but more in the high HF role that ANB and Spargo play. We're just desperate for better ball use in that area of the ground and I think you need your most accurate damaging kicks in that area. Our backline have enough cover to keep decent disposal efficiency if one of those two were to move further up the ground.

Agree re: Bowey for high HF, worth a shot. 

Not sure that Salem has the pace or gut run for that role personally. I think for him to work it would need to be closer to a Melk/Jamie Elliot role. Remain inside 50, seek one on ones, create some space for others and relay on one touch gathers/disposals.

  On 17/10/2023 at 06:22, binman said:

I refuse to list what Goodwin should be doing about that from a list point of view?

Refuse? Refuse who?  You? 

You seem to paint anyone who sees things in more positive light than you in such black and whiter terms. And paint yourself as clear eyed and able to see what noobs such as myself are too blindly loyal to see. As if i do nothing but praise the club and refuse to see or acknowledge any weaknesses.

(by the by, i don't think other clubs 'copied our game plan' and have never said they have. I HAVE said on many occasions that we copied the Tigers game plan and that the model developed by Hardwick is the template for the way the game is now played). 

C'mon Jimmy such reductive, black and white nonsense is so puerile. It is why i don't bother engaging in any meaningful discussion with you any more.

You don't seem to be interested in genuine discussion. You seem to prefer baiting, being obtuse and unnecessarily contrarian. It's tiresome. But each to their own i guess.

But i'll bite this time.

So, to your point about me 'refusing' to 'list what Goodwin should be doing about that from a list point of view'. 

For one thing, if you had been paying attention, i have banging on about our poor kicking skills ever since i started posting on DL 13 years ago. 

And more recently i have addressed what i see as our key list needs on multiple occasions.

For example, for your reading pleasure please see these three recent examples (let me know if you want some more): 

 

Thanks for your response.

I clearly missed those posts.

 

ICYMI

Essendons D'Ambrosio is apparently considered a delisted free agent under rookie rules and can move to Hawthorn via that mechanism.

Essendon have been playing hardball with him to get a better pick and its been reported that they may not have been aware of this rule and the fact he can walk for nothing.

  On 18/10/2023 at 03:55, Nascent said:

ICYMI

Essendons D'Ambrosio is apparently considered a delisted free agent under rookie rules and can move to Hawthorn via that mechanism.

Essendon have been playing hardball with him to get a better pick and its been reported that they may not have been aware of this rule and the fact he can walk for nothing.

Meanwhile, back at the Hangar

How does this happen:

"The deals today mean Port Adelaide currently has ZERO picks left in the first five rounds of this year's draft....They have also traded out their future first and future fourth-round picks, meaning they currently hold just two picks for the 2024 draft."

Hard to believe the AFL allowed that to happen.  It breaches the drafting and the future pick trading rules. 

They probably want a F4 pick from Ess for Duursma but Dodoro seems determined to not hand any over.  But the AFL may force them to hand over a F4 to enable Port to meet the future trading rules. 

They will be in a power of hurt (excuse the pun) for a few years in trading and drafting.  Looks like an all out tilt at a flag next year.  Irony is they haven't traded in any real talent....talk about mortgaging the future.

Edited October 18, 20231 yr by Lucifers Hero

  On 18/10/2023 at 06:33, Lucifers Hero said:

How does this happen:

"The deals today mean Port Adelaide currently has ZERO picks left in the first five rounds of this year's draft....They have also traded out their future first and future fourth-round picks, meaning they currently hold just two picks for the 2024 draft."

Hard to believe the AFL allowed that to happen.  It breaches the drafting and the future pick trading rules.  Can't see them getting the picks in in the the next few hours.

They will be in a power of hurt (excuse the pun) for a few years in trading and drafting.  Looks like an all out tilt at a flag next year.  Irony is they haven't traded in any real talent....talk about mortgaging the future.

Assume that means they have a couple of picks at the end of the draft, if they have the spots.

  On 18/10/2023 at 06:34, Redleg said:

Assume that means they have a couple of picks at the end of the draft, if they have the spots.

True.

They have traded out their round 5 pick.  Not sure how many rounds there are.  6 maybe?  That pick will come into 60 something but they still seem to have breached the rules this year and next.

Edited October 18, 20231 yr by Lucifers Hero

Elijah Hollands is a huge steal for Carlton. Wished we pushed harder with this one.

  On 18/10/2023 at 06:33, Lucifers Hero said:

How does this happen:

"The deals today mean Port Adelaide currently has ZERO picks left in the first five rounds of this year's draft....They have also traded out their future first and future fourth-round picks, meaning they currently hold just two picks for the 2024 draft."

Hard to believe the AFL allowed that to happen.  It breaches the drafting and the future pick trading rules. 

They might get a pick from Ess for Duursma but Dodoro seems deterrmined to not hand any over. So can't see them getting the picks in in the the next few hours.

They will be in a power of hurt (excuse the pun) for a few years in trading and drafting.  Looks like an all out tilt at a flag next year.  Irony is they haven't traded in any real talent....talk about mortgaging the future.

Not sure they’ve breached any rules. Future 4th rounders can be traded now even if you trade your future first, so they’re fine on that. They can also promote from the rookie list and take picks at the end of the draft so they’ll have their 3 mandatory list changes

From 2018-2021 drafts they have:

Butters, Rozee, Dyl Williams, Georgiades, Bergman, Lord, Jones, Sinn and JHF.

Thats a great haul and worth trading out of late firsts to fix deficiencies. 

The big question will be whether Esava and BZT will fix their issues or if they should’ve gone for a bigger fish down back. 

  On 18/10/2023 at 06:38, Lucifers Hero said:

Not sure how many rounds there are.

I'd always assumed the rounds go forever with clubs dropping out along the way

  On 18/10/2023 at 06:46, DeeSpencer said:

Not sure they’ve breached any rules. Future 4th rounders can be traded now even if you trade your future first, so they’re fine on that. They can also promote from the rookie list and take picks at the end of the draft so they’ll have their 3 mandatory list changes

From 2018-2021 drafts they have:

Butters, Rozee, Dyl Williams, Georgiades, Bergman, Lord, Jones, Sinn and JHF.

Thats a great haul and worth trading out of late firsts to fix deficiencies. 

The big question will be whether Esava and BZT will fix their issues or if they should’ve gone for a bigger fish down back. 

Thanks, forgot about the F4 rule.

Do they have enough late round 6 and 7 picks to upgrade rookies?

It is your last line that I was doubting the value of this years trading.

Edited October 18, 20231 yr by Lucifers Hero

Imagine Geelong wasting a whole week on this trade only to get two extra picks, both of which they won’t use. Absolutely mind boggling some of these idiotic negotiations going on. 

  On 18/10/2023 at 06:46, dazzledavey36 said:

Elijah Hollands is a huge steal for Carlton. Wished we pushed harder with this one.

I’m weary of the 2020 draft, he’s looked ordinary and is likely stupidly overpaid as most of the Suns are, but geez, a future 3rd and a 2 pick downgrade that will be cancelled out by matched bids, that’s a theft.

  On 18/10/2023 at 06:49, Lucifers Hero said:

Thanks, forgot about the F4 rule.

Do they have enough late round 6 and 7 picks to upgrade rookies?

It is your last line that I was doubting the value of this years trading.

Don’t need a pick for rookie upgrade, they just happen. And pretty sure the draft has no limit either, you can trade out of your 4, 5th rounders and then you get 6, 7, 8 to make up the list spots.

Richmond did very well to get Freo’s future 2nd for Soldo too. He’s worth a second, rucks are valuable. But that’s better than Grundy and he isn’t. 

If we can go into the draft with pick 6, 11, McAdam, Fullarton, Billings and a backup ruck like Lycett we’ll have done incredibly well.
Billings as wing depth, two potential ruck options should Gawny get sore or need a rest and some x-factor for the forwardline. That ticks all our boxes.
Not to mention some potential gun mids or a move for one exceptional talent. Go Dees!

  On 18/10/2023 at 07:05, deejammin' said:

If we can go into the draft with pick 6, 11, McAdam, Fullarton, Billings and a backup ruck like Lycett we’ll have done incredibly well.
Billings as wing depth, two potential ruck options should Gawny get sore or need a rest and some x-factor for the forwardline. That ticks all our boxes.
Not to mention some potential gun mids or a move for one exceptional talent. Go Dees!

If Billings had a good preseason, I’m not convinced he’d be wing depth. Good rocket for Lingers and Hunter

Edited October 18, 20231 yr by BW511

Koschitzke just went to the tigers for 49. 

Did we show any interest in him? That’s so cheap for someone like that, which might have been useful. 

  On 18/10/2023 at 07:25, Red But Mostly Blue said:

Koschitzke just went to the tigers for 49. 

Did we show any interest in him? That’s so cheap for someone like that, which might have been useful. 

I really don’t rate him. I watched a lot of the Hawks this year, both at VFL and AFL level Koschitzke is just that little bit off. NQR. I don’t think we’ve missed out there.

Mitchell Lewis on the other hand is a dead set gun…

  On 18/10/2023 at 06:38, Lucifers Hero said:

True.

They have traded out their round 5 pick.  Not sure how many rounds there are.  6 maybe?  That pick will come into 60 something but they still seem to have breached the rules this year and next.

There are infinite picks and rounds depending on how many list spots a team has to fill

  On 18/10/2023 at 07:25, Red But Mostly Blue said:

Koschitzke just went to the tigers for 49. 

Did we show any interest in him? That’s so cheap for someone like that, which might have been useful. 

He is useless 

This is why there’s no point haggling and holding clubs to ransom and crying over every small trade. 
If we pissfart around on the Grundy trade how many other trades would we have struggled to complete?

 

Every year we move deals quickly and end up completing more deals than just about any other club. 
Geelong made no trades because all week they fought Port only to end up with two picks they’ll never use anyway. No logic. 

  On 18/10/2023 at 07:05, deejammin' said:

If we can go into the draft with pick 6, 11, McAdam, Fullarton, Billings and a backup ruck like Lycett we’ll have done incredibly well.
Billings as wing depth, two potential ruck options should Gawny get sore or need a rest and some x-factor for the forwardline. That ticks all our boxes.
Not to mention some potential gun mids or a move for one exceptional talent. Go Dees!

Hey hey, that kind of optimism is not accepted on this forum

  On 18/10/2023 at 07:55, Jaded No More said:

Every year we move deals quickly and end up completing more deals than just about any other club. 
Geelong made no trades because all week they fought Port only to end up with two picks they’ll never use anyway. No logic. 

Yeah but it’s Geelong, so I’m happy they chose this tact to waste virtually all of their trade period.

Dodoro giving one last FU before he leaves Windy Hill lol.

He wants to own the last 25 mins of trade period.