8 minutes ago, Binmans PA said:

No doubt he's struggled over the past 24 months, but his performance against Carlton is where it needs to be. Still only 23.

Charlie would be in my side.

He was okay. Had some moments. Still didn’t trouble the scorer. 

Forwards must kick goals. It comes with the job description. 

7 hours ago, Lord Travis said:

He's a battler. Burst onto the scene 4-5 years ago with great run and found a bit of ball. His ball use has always ben suspect though, and he's been pushed out of the midfield rotation by superior players. He'll likely find a home somewhere else in future, but he's a battler and wouldn't get a game for us.

His younger brother in the draft this year on the other hand... he's got potential.

Younger brother most definitely does have potential. I spoke to a bloke the other day who said he’s the best junior he’s seen play.

19 minutes ago, BaliDemon said:

Averages 10 touches and 0.6 goals a game across his seven year career to date. Hasn’t measurably improved over the past 24 months. 
 

Do you honestly think that’s good enough from a small forward? That’s the bar you’re going to set? 

Settle petal l think when he’s playing well he’s an important part of the forward line, Toby Bedford last season Spargo next season, Chandler after that then Kozzie?

2 hours ago, BaliDemon said:

Grundy was a mistake but only for one year. Sydney will now take that contract over. We gambled on Gawndy, it didn’t work, okay we move on. Not the end of the world. 
 

Spargo wouldn’t be either if he left. He’s not Tom Papley. Uses the ball well but doesn’t get enough of it and doesn’t kick enough goals for a small forward. 
 

Not sure why you’re potting the Richmond model. It won three flags.

Where did I pot the Richmond model? 

We have literally followed most of what they did - right down to Track mirroring Dusty's rise statistically before breaking through (hasn't reached quite the same heights). That includes the break through flag, and now in the years that follow, losing small forwards and depth players who've gone on to better things. 

The difference is that they went and got Lynch, while we got 1) no one for 2022, and 2) Grundy for 2023. 

I'm well aware there weren't many terrific key forwards on the market and certainly none of the calibre of Lynch. But you'd think one would have been available with the kind of money we spent on Grundy. 

Don't all be so sensitive. Call it what you want - a mistake, an experiment, whatever. We played a hand and it didn't work. Richmond made a similar choice with Lynch and it went a long way towards flags 2 and 3. Ask any Richmond fan and they'll tell you how important it was. 

1 hour ago, BaliDemon said:

He was okay. Had some moments. Still didn’t trouble the scorer. 

Forwards must kick goals. It comes with the job description. 

I prefer Charlie over Chandler who goes missing. Incidentally he was running into an open goal 30m out on a 45 degree angle and missed a very gettable goal

2 hours ago, Dwight Schrute said:

I'm pretty surprised by the Mcadam interest, i wouldn't have thought he was in our best 22

He’s a goal kicker. That alone means he’s in my best 22 !! 

2 hours ago, BaliDemon said:

He was okay. Had some moments. Still didn’t trouble the scorer. 

Forwards must kick goals. It comes with the job description. 

Well he wasn’t Robinson Crusoe in that regard for much of this year. 
 

You do appear to have a bit of a hard-on for him though it seems. 

Edited September 18, 20231 yr by McQueen

9 hours ago, Cheap Seats said:

Agreed,

 

We will wait and see what happens.

no way Spargo is going anywhere.

5 hours ago, Billy said:

Settle petal l think when he’s playing well he’s an important part of the forward line

Being an 'important' part of a C grade forward line isn't much to get excited about.

 

4 hours ago, samcantstandya said:

I prefer Charlie over Chandler who goes missing. Incidentally he was running into an open goal 30m out on a 45 degree angle and missed a very gettable goal

Prefer neither. Need upgrades on both.

 

2 hours ago, McQueen said:

Well he wasn’t Robinson Crusoe in that regard for much of this year. 

Does that excuse him? I wouldn't lose any sleep if we move him on. 

No hate from me. Just want forwards who hit the scoreboard. A goal every other game doesn't cut it.

11 hours ago, beelzebub said:

Grundy wasn't si much a mistake...though i can only agree an argument can be made ( a la rpfc ) that we never should have entertained it...better other options/deals.

But , imo, where we truly [censored] up was not reappraising where we were and the talent on offer and rethinking how to use.

Exhibit A .. the last game ..

We needto be far more astute and inventive.

So when Gawn went down, who would have played Ruck through that period? 

10 hours ago, spirit of norm smith said:

Spargo might himself request a fresh start 

Possibly the most logical thought regarding him.

He has his moments...has his fades ( not alone ) Definitely among the elite thinkers with the ball. His vision is exemplary.  Doesn't always get the desired result.

He might find selection getting even more crowded at Melb.  So he might well pull the trigger. 

12 hours ago, Binmans PA said:

No doubt he's struggled over the past 24 months, but his performance against Carlton is where it needs to be. Still only 23.

Charlie would be in my side.

Gryan Miers is the guy he needs to try to emulate next year.

Miers is 24, and statistically very similar.

Spargo a better user, but Miers had more score assists (best ever in fact) and score involvements. 

Charlie needs to get his score involvements and assists up. Then he and Trac rolling through there with more dangerous ground level players like McAdam and hopefully a Watson to go with Kozzy, with Fritta's goal sense and Petty's contested marking, that's a dangerous forwardline that allows JVR to grow too.

36 minutes ago, Binmans PA said:

Spargo a better user, but Miers had more score assists (best ever in fact) and score involvements. 

 

Miers also also kicking it to more consistent forwards.  Wonder what Spargo stats would have been like if we had a well oiled forward line.

13 hours ago, MoeSyzlak said:

If you believe what you’re reading on reddit I have some magic beans to sell you. 

Why are you in the rumours thread if you don't like rumours?

18 minutes ago, roy11 said:

Miers also also kicking it to more consistent forwards.  Wonder what Spargo stats would have been like if we had a well oiled forward line.

Yep, time to invest a bit more in the forward half for our list.

1 hour ago, Binmans PA said:

Gryan Miers is the guy he needs to try to emulate next year.

Miers is 24, and statistically very similar.

Spargo a better user, but Miers had more score assists (best ever in fact) and score involvements. 

Charlie needs to get his score involvements and assists up. Then he and Trac rolling through there with more dangerous ground level players like McAdam and hopefully a Watson to go with Kozzy, with Fritta's goal sense and Petty's contested marking, that's a dangerous forwardline that allows JVR to grow too.

Miers has a few better ball users getting the ball to him.

Spargo would get a lot more footy if he was used more, he is often free but we can’t/won’t pull the trigger to get it to him

What would GC take for Ben King? 

 

There is an article titled “Allen? McKay? Lord? Where Dees could spend $2m war chest” in the Herald Sun. Could anyone give a summary?

1 minute ago, 2021 said:

There is an article titled “Allen? McKay? Lord? Where Dees could spend $2m war chest” in the Herald Sun. Could anyone give a summary?

Things are Deesperate if we’re going after The Lord! But gee whizz we need some miracles in the forward line so I am in!

2 hours ago, Binmans PA said:

Gryan Miers is the guy he needs to try to emulate next year.

Miers is 24, and statistically very similar.

Spargo a better user, but Miers had more score assists (best ever in fact) and score involvements. 

Charlie needs to get his score involvements and assists up. Then he and Trac rolling through there with more dangerous ground level players like McAdam and hopefully a Watson to go with Kozzy, with Fritta's goal sense and Petty's contested marking, that's a dangerous forwardline that allows JVR to grow too.

Miers and Spargo are not statistically similar. The former averaged 18 touches a game over the past two seasons, the latter 11. That’s a big difference. Miers also lays more tackles and takes more marks. 

Spargo is a “better ball user” yet has less score assists or score involvements? Hmmm 🤔 

Seven years in the system and his numbers aren’t improving. With the FD set to re-model our inept forward line and bring in reinforcements, Charlie is going to be up against it. Both him and Chandler frankly. 

The addition of Wizard Watson (in addition to McAdam), if it happens, would likely signal the death knell for both of them. 

45 minutes ago, 2021 said:

There is an article titled “Allen? McKay? Lord? Where Dees could spend $2m war chest” in the Herald Sun. Could anyone give a summary?

https://archive.li/yXphR

1 hour ago, 2021 said:

There is an article titled “Allen? McKay? Lord? Where Dees could spend $2m war chest” in the Herald Sun. Could anyone give a summary?

jon ralph writes 350 words designed to get people to click it and read it before they go 'there's nothing to this article'

1 hour ago, BaliDemon said:

Miers and Spargo are not statistically similar. The former averaged 18 touches a game over the past two seasons, the latter 11. That’s a big difference. Miers also lays more tackles and takes more marks. 

Spargo is a “better ball user” yet has less score assists or score involvements? Hmmm 🤔 

Seven years in the system and his numbers aren’t improving. With the FD set to re-model our inept forward line and bring in reinforcements, Charlie is going to be up against it. Both him and Chandler frankly. 

The addition of Wizard Watson (in addition to McAdam), if it happens, would likely signal the death knell for both of them. 

Compare their premiership years 

10 minutes ago, Demons11 said:

Compare their premiership years 

Miers still superior statistically in flag years, even though it wasn’t his best season. 

Look at the past 24 months. Miers has surged, Spargo stagnated/regressed. Not a good sign for a 6th/7th year player. 

Edited September 19, 20231 yr by BaliDemon

1 hour ago, SthSea22 said:

What would GC take for Ben King? 

 

 

he’s back!!! I’m a No to Ben King