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1 minute ago, daisycutter said:

i gather that is the whole list and not best 22

Must be or Geelong's average would be over 30

 

Surprised that we are the 4th eldest @ 25.08.

Geelong not that far ahead @ 25.48 courtesy of all those 1st round local lads that returned home.  Even so it is misleading as they have a lot of players over 30 mostly in their best 22.  Game day age profiles will be quite different.


4 hours ago, Demonland said:

Time to make Gosch’s walker friendly. 

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I'll get some handrails put in.

That ladder goes to show: there are lies, damn lies, and statistics. We all know that Geelong has numerous players who are right at the end of their careers, and a whole pile of young players who may not turn out to be any good. On the other hand, we have many players in the 23 to 27 bracket. The average is arrived at completely differently.  

 

Conversely, look at Hawthorn, Adelaide, Essendon, North (and North's ave has probably been inflated by the Ex Hawthorn players that would otherwise be retired).

Was a time I remember Melbourne stiiting where those teams are now in terms of both average age and ladder position.  Thought at the time how all those early draft picks would translate into excellence one day - alot of them didn't and it was a long, long climb back to where we are now.  I only hope that it's the same story for those four teams.

This stat shows that all clubs have a similar average age, 23-25. Average age of top 10 in B&F would be more relevant and I think would show where Father Time might be watching on closely….


Fitting graphic: Zach Tuohy, 4 days short of his 33rd birthday 👨🏾‍🦯

Averages are meaningless in his context.

19 hours ago, Sydee said:

Must be or Geelong's average would be over 30

I just did a quick calculation on a Geelong best 22 named at some point earlier this year:  Average age 28.72 

FB: Jack Henry(24)Mark Blicavs (31)Jed Bews (28)
HB: Zach Tuohy (33)Tom Stewart (29)Mark O'Connor (25)
C: Sam Menegola (30)Cameron Guthrie (30)Isaac Smith (33)
HF: Mitch Duncan (31)Jeremy Cameron (29)Gary Rohan (31)
FF: Bradley Close (24)Tom Hawkins (34)Gryan Miers (23)
FO: Rhys Stanley (32)Joel Selwood (34)Patrick Dangerfield (32)
I/C: Tyson Stengle (24)Esava Ratugolea (24)Tom Atkins (27)Brandan Parfitt (24)

Our Semi Final team average age 26.09 yrs

[27] Jayden Hunt,[30] Steven May,[23] Harrison Petty
[32] Michael Hibberd,[26] Jake Lever,[27] Christian Salem
[27] James Harmes,[25] Clayton Oliver,[26] Ed Langdon
[21] Kysaiah Pickett,[26] Christian Petracca,[26] Alex Neal-Bullen
[26] Bayley Fritsch,[30] Ben Brown,[21] Luke Jackson
[30] Max Gawn,[28] Jack Viney,[26] Angus Brayshaw
[23] Charlie Spargo,[31] Jake Melksham,[21] Trent Rivers,[22] Tom Sparrow
 


I agree with other posters. Average age is very limited metric, especially as it covers the whole list, rather than best 22. Including average games played improves things because it's a better indication of quality of the list, assuming similar average games. Having said that it's easier to get a game at a poorer club which inflates the average games for players at those poorer clubs.

10 minutes ago, Sydney_Demon said:

I agree with other posters. Average age is very limited metric, especially as it covers the whole list, rather than best 22. Including average games played improves things because it's a better indication of quality of the list, assuming similar average games. Having said that it's easier to get a game at a poorer club which inflates the average games for players at those poorer clubs.

In 2021 and 2022 the number of players was increased to 23 and even if the 23rd player did not play he was rewarded with a game played in the AFL which can skew the games played statistic.

The age/games statistic should be applied to the team on the day not the whole list since recruites picked in the draft are usually 18 and have played zero games.

As a team ages like Geelong's best 22 in 2022 with 11 players over 30 and several who did not play over 30 the age demographics is meaningless.

Retirements have brought the age demographics of the list down but still the core are very old.

The cats average age dropped three years with selwood's retirement given he is 47.

It shows that you go very quickly from having the core of your side "in the window" to being in a Hawthorn situation where you are dumping players to find draft picks.

We're not there yet, but couple recruiting 28 year olds with taking only 2-3 national draft picks each year, and we look pretty old very quickly. 

We'll start next year with 19 players aged 27 and above, 15 of whom are arguably in our best side. That is more than Geelong have on their list. It's a big effort to find that number of best 22 players over the next five years or so, even if Petracca and Oliver can play on to age 40.

People forget that we have removed 2 players over 30 in Daw and Brown and brought in 10 players who are 18 or 19 in the last 2 years admittedly we recruited 2 players in the late 20's and a 25 year old.

Retention of Hibberd and Melksham was basically to allow our younger players time to grow into the players we hope they will become.

The fact we have 19 players 27 and above means we have 14 players in the range 20-26 and we have won the 2021 premiership where the average age was between 24-25.

We have lost only 1 player from that premiership side.

Edited by durango


I'm comfortable with our age mix. A number of the older players have successors and even credible improvements coming through already, and the 2xfirst and 2xsecond round picks in next year's allegedly strong draft will allow for some targeted decisions.

Clearly our age pothole is at the very tall end of our team. Except for untested young guys, our rucks and key forwards are all past or near 30. 

That's my only real concern and why I was keen on a Barnett/Keeler collection this draft. But I'm not at panic stations.

 

The age demographic is skewed when ruckmen/tall fowards reach their prime later and usually play well beyond 30, Martin, Salmon and Sandilands retired at 36 actually Gawn missed 3 years at the start of his career most ruckmen go to about 34 usually the taller ones last longer due to the fact they don't have to jump as high as the shorter ones.

4 hours ago, poita said:

It shows that you go very quickly from having the core of your side "in the window" to being in a Hawthorn situation where you are dumping players to find draft picks.

We're not there yet, but couple recruiting 28 year olds with taking only 2-3 national draft picks each year, and we look pretty old very quickly. 

We'll start next year with 19 players aged 27 and above, 15 of whom are arguably in our best side. That is more than Geelong have on their list. It's a big effort to find that number of best 22 players over the next five years or so, even if Petracca and Oliver can play on to age 40.

We'll have 5 30+yo best 22 players at the start of the the 2023 season plus 3 who are 28yo and 7 who are 27yo.

Geelong will have 12 30+yo best 22 players at the start of the 2023 season, plus 1 who is 29yo and 2 who are 27yo.

Both teams have 15 best 22 who are  27+yo but there's a big difference in the detail with 10 of ours under 30 compared with only 3 of theirs.

 

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