On 18/08/2024 at 08:51, TeamPlayedFine39 said:

I think it’s abundantly clear that the decision was made some time ago that Jefferson would be playing out the year on the VFL.  

I suspect this decision was made giving equal consideration to his physical and psychological readiness.  He’s undersized and, until recently, seemingly down on confidence.  He’s spent time building confidence, now he needs to build himself physically before he’s a chance in ‘25.  

There’s a lot of JVR in this preparation.

 

not really. Goodwin said a few weeks ago 'he is in the picture' at the selection meeting and intimated hes looking likely for a debut soon just dont know when exactly. having a poor game doesnt help his cause though. Theyd also know from training how he's handling things.
looks like next year now but they were happy with his last 10 weeks or so of really good development. 

1 hour ago, BLWNBA said:

This is the most on the money post I've seen in this thread. 

I personally think it's somewhat of a perplexing decision that we extended his contract out so far given some of what has played out, but there was a clear decision for made that Jefferson would not be playing AFL this year. There were several considerations around this, so the constant debate around his debut this year is largely a moot point. 

We shall look to see how he continues to develop. For mine, next year is an incredibly important year for Jefferson - though that is essentially pointing out the obvious. 

He went from a mile off it last year to looking more than handy in the VFL with a heap of scope for improvement.

He was always going to be a long term project. Needs a big summer and has to dominate VFL and get some games, but it’s far from make or break. 

I doubt he’ll ever have the physical dominance to be purely an attacking force so to get the best out of him we have to develop his tank, his pressure and work rate and his uncontested game.

He has to look at players like Gunston and replicate his style of play using aerobic running patterns.

He has a good game in the VFL followed by some poor games but he has the tools to become a good player but he needs to develop them, I would try him on the wing for a while like AMW on the backline.

10 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

He went from a mile off it last year to looking more than handy in the VFL with a heap of scope for improvement.

He was always going to be a long term project. Needs a big summer and has to dominate VFL and get some games, but it’s far from make or break. 

I doubt he’ll ever have the physical dominance to be purely an attacking force so to get the best out of him we have to develop his tank, his pressure and work rate and his uncontested game.

Yes, I tend to agree. If he builds his tank and body over preseason, I can see him in a role not dissimilar to Fritsch, Melky or Gunston. Keep him away from being a go-to key forward. 

If you compare him to Nate Caddy who has spent 1 year less in the AFL system you would be concerned.

Caddy already shows great potential in the AFL.

Too early to call bust but would need to show way more next season 

17 minutes ago, Sydee said:

If you compare him to Nate Caddy who has spent 1 year less in the AFL system you would be concerned.

Caddy already shows great potential in the AFL.

Too early to call bust but would need to show way more next season 

I feel like this sort of comment is a bit unfair.  Most key forwards don't come close to hitting their straps until their early 20s at best.  Caddy was always touted as someone ready to go year 1.  Jefferson was always going to take extra years - he has a different frame and different style of game.

The fact that he has come a long way in the VFL this year is an indication that he is going the right direction.

On 18/08/2024 at 09:42, manny100 said:

I agree the club have taken a cautious approach and decided to give him a couple of VFL seasons and another pre season. If we were a bottom club he would have played but i support our clubs position to ease him in.

Also Goody has made it clear in a few post game pressers that he intends to play JVR, Petty and Turner. That looks like it may well work out well.

If we can squeeze Jeffo in next season we may be able to move Petts or Disco back?

 

Errrrrr we are 14th

Just now, deelusions from afar said:

I feel like this sort of comment is a bit unfair.  Most key forwards don't come close to hitting their straps until their early 20s at best.  Caddy was always touted as someone ready to go year 1.  Jefferson was always going to take extra years - he has a different frame and different style of game.

The fact that he has come a long way in the VFL this year is an indication that he is going the right direction.

You may be right and I hope for his sake and the clubs he starts to blossom next season.

 

1 hour ago, Sydee said:

If you compare him to Nate Caddy who has spent 1 year less in the AFL system you would be concerned.

Caddy already shows great potential in the AFL.

Too early to call bust but would need to show way more next season 

You are making a comparison with a pert  developed AFL player of ONE season.

Caddy is physically more ready but still needs another pre season and will reap the rewards in 2025 and onwards. 

Despite his Junior record Jeffo is at least another season needing physical growth and probably a great start in the VFL next season.

He may come back ready for AFL but his pre season is crucial and his different style of play he will be known for. He has come ahead this season more than most anticipated and could still be cherry ripe for a debut in early 2025 depending upon our forward setup and his performances in practice and pre season games. 

He has got a forwards skill in him and like Fritta feel he will at some stage make his mark in the AFL. 

Hopefully 2025 may be the year. 

 

Get of Jeffo's case!! showed SOLID development this year and will debut early next season and be a very good crafty player for the MFC

On 07/08/2024 at 14:35, picket fence said:

Which means Goody's delusional obsession with playing finals this year means that great forward Petty 6 goals probably gets another gig. BUT Simon dont you realise we are sinking! 

Proof is now in the pudding. PF, your foresight of the recent past summarises the season that, for us, is now over.

20 hours ago, picket fence said:

Get of Jeffo's case!! showed SOLID development this year and will debut early next season and be a very good crafty player for the MFC

Kicked 23 and 27 goals from 20 and 17 games.  For a teenager.

Just look at what Treacy is doing for Freo this year, his 4th year and starting to flourish.  Jeffo to me looks to be a jeremy Cameron type, once he builds his tank.

High roaming forward.  If he can be even close to Cameron we will be happy, but that style.

 

On 26/08/2024 at 12:14, Sydee said:

If you compare him to Nate Caddy who has spent 1 year less in the AFL system you would be concerned.

Caddy already shows great potential in the AFL.

Too early to call bust but would need to show way more next season 

whilst i think they're quite different players in terms of their skillsets, fwiw head to head comparison of jefferson vs caddy in the vfl in 2024...

matt jefferson: 17 games, 29 goals 19 (with 2-3 games played in the backline), 9.4 disposals, 3.5 marks, 1.9 tackles, 54.2 fantasy points

nate caddy: 8 games, 11 goals 9, 10.6 disposals, 4.4 marks, 1.5 tackles, 56.4 fantasy points

Edited August 27, 20241 yr by whatwhat say what

Has anyone laid eyes on Jeffo in training or anywhere lately?  Just heard Richo on the radio yesterday talking about everyone else but didn't mention Jeffo once...anyone care to venture a guess as to why?

I'm constantly on Jeffo watch but have seen nothing recently.

Been in mush brain protocols for the last week or so, so not much to watch

On another note, if Jeffo kicks 10 during a Casey match sim but no one is there to see it, did it really happen?

Funny you should say that.  At training today I thought Jeffo finally looked like he belonged, and trained like it.

11 minutes ago, adonski said:

Been in mush brain protocols for the last week or so, so not much to watch

On another note, if Jeffo kicks 10 during a Casey match sim but no one is there to see it, did it really happen?

If a Jeffo falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does he make a sound?

Just now, Lexinator said:

If a Jeffo falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does he make a sound?

Ahhh I didn't know that, my bad, glad he's training and glad he's looking the goods.  Just thought it was odd Richo didn't mention him at all, made me a bit sad actually I wound the clip back and forth a couple of times thinking I'd missed him talk about Jeffo but no, just didn't get a mention.

Glad to hear he's training again!

24 minutes ago, Fritta and Turner said:

Funny you should say that.  At training today I thought Jeffo finally looked like he belonged, and trained like it.

Can you reconfirm that he trained today Fritta? I thought he was on concussion protocols till at least Friday!

5 minutes ago, picket fence said:

Can you reconfirm that he trained today Fritta? I thought he was on concussion protocols till at least Friday!

Fritta trained in a yellow vest.

7 minutes ago, Fritta and Turner said:

Fritta trained in a yellow vest.

Nar not Fritta, fritta JEFFO!!? 

Gawd, who's on first, what's on second, I dunno is on third!🤯 All I want confirmation of, is did Jeffo train today??? Sheesh!

Edited January 22Jan 22 by picket fence

Good pick-up, @Young Angus. That does seem rather telling, given who he did mention, and how he mentioned them. Hopefully, though, this was just because of how Richardson was led by the questions (the asker of which probably wouldn't know a Jefferson from an airplane).

39 minutes ago, Timothy Reddan-A'Blew said:

Good pick-up, @Young Angus. That does seem rather telling, given who he did mention, and how he mentioned them. Hopefully, though, this was just because of how Richardson was led by the questions (the asker of which probably wouldn't know a Jefferson from an airplane).

Or a Starship.