59 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Team selections gave been an absolute disgrace for the best part of two years.

Utterly bizarre that you can name Jefferson who's actually got the forward craft as an emergency for two weeks straight in a side that's struggling to kick goals knowing that finals is completely out of the equation. 

Don't change Goody.

But if he is playing?

It worked for Roo and it will work for Jeffo, patience is a virtue 

I like that they are holding Jeffo back.   He seems he has developed nicely this year and then hopefully he is hungry as hell to attack the pre season

Goody said in the media that they want to play strong footy through to the end of the year, hence minimal changes. It would do even more damage to our brand and ability to land recruits through the trade period if we were to get flogged in the last 2 rounds.

Would Jefferson cause that? probably not, though we've already exposed many youngsters this year and realistically, he'd be replacing JVR, Petty or Fritch, who in my opinion would offer more this weekend.  

Edited August 15, 20241 yr by Bingo

I think he should’ve been selected as he is still agile enough to play a lot of positions. Getting some experience in the seniors can come in any form. Deep forward, floating forward, half back etc I just wanted him to get a feel for the speed and power of the big league. Give him a nudge for the preseason.

Looking forward to this thread next week if Jeffo kicks a bag for Casey but BBB is selected for a swansong against the Pies.

3 minutes ago, gs77 said:

Looking forward to this thread next week if Jeffo kicks a bag for Casey but BBB is selected for a swansong against the Pies.

One of the stranger non selections in the Goodwin era

Deadrubber hidden away in Gold Coast

No May, so can swing Petty back to give Jeffo a run

Makes too much sense perhaps?

18 minutes ago, adonski said:

One of the stranger non selections in the Goodwin era

Deadrubber hidden away in Gold Coast

No May, so can swing Petty back to give Jeffo a run

Makes too much sense perhaps?

There might be some (non-adverse) circumstances relating to his selection. The failure to play him, despite him signing an extension is pretty perplexing and one of the stranger decisions by the club IMO. 

On 16/08/2024 at 06:43, Demon Dynasty said:

Balanced post. 

Played a few good games but he WAS playing as a forward and rarely kicked goals.

Highlights yet another massive fail at the selection / player management table from Simon this year.  The year of the Petty obsession (up forward... just send him back if you aren't going to stint him at Casey).  Has cost the team badly in so many games.

The Petty obsession effectively had us playing a man down up forward for most of the season!!  And we wouldn't have been the only ones that noticed.  The players have a brain, eyes and only so much tolerance / patience.

I'm going against the grain on what people have said about Petty this season. Now, when he first came in he WAS pretty much useless. He was simply a tall target to act as a foil for JVR, and to be frank he was next to useless when it came to him. When he did get chances, he fluffed them. 

BUT I genuinely feel that the second half of the year hasn't been as bad as what people have said. He's been getting his contested marking much better, and his follow up work has actually been very good for a big man. Kicking for goals has still been a big problem and has cost us, there can't be ay doubt about it. But he's been close and he has actually been a solid contributor, dare I say it I think he's been working well with JVR and Disco.

I think we need a new forward line coach, and I'll be filthy if Stafford remains. But if we're able to get a good forward line coach, I don't think he's got nothing to work with. Quite the opposite.

That all said, I see Petty going back to defence once TMac and/or May retires.

Edited August 17, 20241 yr by Pates

I think today showed Jeffo isn’t quite ready for AFL, but he’s made great progress this year.

He really needs to go away and put on size in the off season and continue building his tank. It will be up to him to do this though given the time off.

Has he taken hold of any games at vfl level? 
has he ever been named in the best?

 

or has he just managed to find space and kick 3 or 4 on occasion. 
 

I mean look at today Ben brown kicked 6 and mcaddam kicked 4 .

 

jefferson barely influences games yet, he has talent but he is so raw I can’t imagine him getting a game anytime soon and I’m okay with that .

be patient and give him every chance 

2 minutes ago, Melonmonster said:

Has he taken hold of any games at vfl level? 
has he ever been named in the best?

 

or has he just managed to find space and kick 3 or 4 on occasion. 
 

I mean look at today Ben brown kicked 6 and mcaddam kicked 4 .

 

jefferson barely influences games yet, he has talent but he is so raw I can’t imagine him getting a game anytime soon and I’m okay with that .

be patient and give him every chance 

He’s kicked bags on numerous occasions, so I don’t think this is completely accurate. But he’s not ready for afl level yet.

Jeffo is not ready yet.  Still in development.  He’s a nice young man but needs to be more physically aggressive in a contest.  Jeffo needs a huge pre season in the gym and on the park.  He’s 50/50 right now.  As a first round pick, he was a big investment… not just a punt.  We will a little more patient.  

Edited August 17, 20241 yr by spirit of norm smith
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On 16/08/2024 at 06:43, dazzledavey36 said:

Team selections gave been an absolute disgrace for the best part of two years.

Utterly bizarre that you can name Jefferson who's actually got the forward craft as an emergency for two weeks straight in a side that's struggling to kick goals knowing that finals is completely out of the equation. 

Don't change Goody.

Hasn't aged well this one mate. Sorry Goody.

30 minutes ago, Binmans PA said:

Hasn't aged well this one mate. Sorry Goody.

Bringing out the receipts after one game of the year where our talls decide to kick actually goals. Don't worry, I also have a heap more saved under my belt as well.

Only took 23 rounds to finally fire a shot.

If Goodwin is correct in wanting to build cohesion with Petty, Turner and JVR then why sign Jefferson him to a contract extension. 

Based off those comments he'll barely crack a game next year. (Sorry Pickett)

Quite a few on here seem to believe Petty will head to the backs once TMac or May retires. Im not sure that will happen. As long as Petty keeps improving as a key forward, I don’t think Goody would have any desire to move him back.

Jefferson still has areas of his game that are poor at VFL level. Tackling, chasing, field kicking and strength are the main areas for improvement.

He has to rectify these because offensive ball movement in the AFL is much more structured and he’s not going to be the focal point if he plays for Melbourne. Look how often JVR, Turner, Melksham and Petty block for each other. You almost see none of that in the VFL. 

7 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Bringing out the receipts after one game of the year where our talls decide to kick actually goals. Don't worry, I also have a heap more saved under my belt as well.

Only took 23 rounds to finally fire a shot.

If Goodwin is correct in wanting to build cohesion with Petty, Turner and JVR then why sign Jefferson him to a contract extension. 

Based off those comments he'll barely crack a game next year. (Sorry Pickett)

While I agree it’s taken Petty a long time to get going, he has looked pretty good these last 6 weeks or so. Re Jefferson, you still need depth and developing players on your list and who knows, if he has a massive pre season and is ready next year we may want to get him in and move petty back. 

27 minutes ago, Fat Tony said:

Jefferson still has areas of his game that are poor at VFL level. Tackling, chasing, field kicking and strength are the main areas for improvement.

He has to rectify these because offensive ball movement in the AFL is much more structured and he’s not going to be the focal point if he plays for Melbourne. Look how often JVR, Turner, Melksham and Petty block for each other. You almost see none of that in the VFL. 

He wasn't the focal piont yesterday, BBB was and you saw the result! Does he block? Well Ive seen him do it in VFL

19 minutes ago, picket fence said:

He wasn't the focal piont yesterday, BBB was and you saw the result! Does he block? Well Ive seen him do it in VFL

Which result are you pointing to? Brown’s 6 goals or the 87 point loss?

There is no chance Jefferson gets promoted on yesterday’s performance. He showed a lack of intensity IMO. 

I think it’s abundantly clear that the decision was made some time ago that Jefferson would be playing out the year on the VFL.  

I suspect this decision was made giving equal consideration to his physical and psychological readiness.  He’s undersized and, until recently, seemingly down on confidence.  He’s spent time building confidence, now he needs to build himself physically before he’s a chance in ‘25.  

There’s a lot of JVR in this preparation.

 

1 hour ago, DistrACTION Jackson said:

While I agree it’s taken Petty a long time to get going, he has looked pretty good these last 6 weeks or so. Re Jefferson, you still need depth and developing players on your list and who knows, if he has a massive pre season and is ready next year we may want to get him in and move petty back. 

Jefferson=depth, based on hope. Still way off and maybe will stay that way. Nonetheless, prefer Petty in defence, though he's been pretty good lately.

 

Edited August 17, 20241 yr by Redlegged

45 minutes ago, TeamPlayedFine39 said:

I think it’s abundantly clear that the decision was made some time ago that Jefferson would be playing out the year on the VFL.  

I suspect this decision was made giving equal consideration to his physical and psychological readiness.  He’s undersized and, until recently, seemingly down on confidence.  He’s spent time building confidence, now he needs to build himself physically before he’s a chance in ‘25.  

There’s a lot of JVR in this preparation.

 

I agree the club have taken a cautious approach and decided to give him a couple of VFL seasons and another pre season. If we were a bottom club he would have played but i support our clubs position to ease him in.

Also Goody has made it clear in a few post game pressers that he intends to play JVR, Petty and Turner. That looks like it may well work out well.

If we can squeeze Jeffo in next season we may be able to move Petts or Disco back?

 

On 18/08/2024 at 08:51, TeamPlayedFine39 said:

I think it’s abundantly clear that the decision was made some time ago that Jefferson would be playing out the year on the VFL.  

I suspect this decision was made giving equal consideration to his physical and psychological readiness.  He’s undersized and, until recently, seemingly down on confidence.  He’s spent time building confidence, now he needs to build himself physically before he’s a chance in ‘25.  

There’s a lot of JVR in this preparation.

 

This is the most on the money post I've seen in this thread. 

I personally think it's somewhat of a perplexing decision that we extended his contract out so far given some of what has played out, but there was a clear decision for made that Jefferson would not be playing AFL this year. There were several considerations around this, so the constant debate around his debut this year is largely a moot point. 

We shall look to see how he continues to develop. For mine, next year is an incredibly important year for Jefferson - though that is essentially pointing out the obvious.