20 minutes ago, DubDee said:

yeah it is sad.  we won't see Langers and Hunt running down the wing together again!

😢

Watching them together was always a highlight in any game.

6 minutes ago, 4_Kent_Watts said:

You can't make the same argument with Bowey versus Hunt and Weid versus Oliver due to the reasons you named. Bowey and Hunt play the same position where Weid and Oliver are totally different players in different positions. Besides I'd play Oliver as a Ruck before Weid anyway. Just wouldn't let him jump at the centre bounce. Wink wink Cough cough. Who would you prefer in the back 6, Bowey or Hunt. 

Depends on the job they're assigned. If it's a wide receiver & distributor, Bowey. But if you have to quell the influence of a dangerous half-forward, Hunt. So for example if we front the Tigers you'd assume Hibbo goes to Dusty, Who do you want on Bolton ? Bowey ? I doubt it. Who's next option ? And don't give me Joel Smith - he'd be too busy handballing to Tom Lynch in the goalsquare.

Bowey got dropped for a couple of reasons - and didn't force his way back

Edited September 30, 20222 yr by Go the Biff
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On 9/29/2022 at 10:30 AM, Redleg said:

Compo pick could be anywhere from 40-60.  Might not be much, for a bloke who played 20 games in a premiership year and 20 more the next. 

If he goes, unfortunately this compo is looking likely, if we assume about 3 years at approx $500k-$600k.

Our absolute best pick would be around 35.

11 minutes ago, Redleg said:

If he goes, unfortunately this compo is looking likely, if we assume about 3 years at approx $500k-$600k.

Our absolute best pick would be around 35.

Yeah I'm thinking 40s is likely, would be surprised if we got one in the 30s. Then again who knows how the herbs and spices work. 

Edited September 30, 20222 yr by layzie

4 hours ago, Lucifers Hero said:

I'd trust Demons 11, who has a good track record of mfc info, a lot more than anything reported in the media.

we probably did offer him the contract and then took it away when we reassessed our options and when he asked for something outrageous and its kinda just followed that trajectory to where it is now

16 minutes ago, Pennant St Dee said:

Adam Simpson is big on having people with good disposal, they have some work to do 

ironic given he signed witherden from the lions for that exact reason and then realised he just disposes of it sideways and backwards and gets 25 of the least effective touches and drops him every other week

16 minutes ago, Lucifers Hero said:

😢

Watching them together was always a highlight in any game.

At least BT won't get confused in commentary if Hunt does move on

8 minutes ago, Go the Biff said:

Depends on the job they're assigned. If it's a wide receiver & distributor, Bowey. But if you have to quell the influence of a dangerous half-forward, Hunt. So for example if we front the Tigers you'd assume Hibbo goes to Dusty, Who do you want on Bolton ? Bowey ? I doubt it. Who's next option ? And don't give me Joel Smith - he'd be too busy handballing to Tom Lynch in the goalsquare.

Bowey got dropped for a couple of reasons - and didn't force his way back

The Back 6 or 7 I'd want see regularly is. May Lever Petty Salem Bowey with (Rivers or Hibb). Reckon we got the Tigers and most covered, seem to have for the last couple of years with Pies being the only exception. Just can't beat those muggs. You're right, Joel Smith ain't No Defender either.

29 minutes ago, layzie said:

I try not to get too emotional when players leave 

Samesies Layz. Pfft, I never get emotionally attached to players. 


I’m not crying, I’ve just got something in my eye. 

fwiw this these are the compensation categories.

Free Agency Compensation pick categories: 

•  1st round
•  end of 1st round
•  2nd round
•  end of 2nd round
•  3rd round

In applying the formula, an expert committee reviews the formula outcomes. The committee has the power to recommend alternative outcomes to GM – Football Operations where the formula produces a materially anomalous result.

The word 'expert' made me laugh!

So for Jayden we would get a third round pick currently #51 but that will come in to a pick possibly in the low 40's once the second and third round picks have been cashed in for F/S.

Can't tell you much it pains me to write that.

16 minutes ago, Lucifers Hero said:

So for Jayden we would get a third round pick currently #51 but that will come in to a pick possibly in the low 40's once the second and third round picks have been cashed in for F/S.

Can't tell you much it pains me to write that.

… as much as it pains me to read it, Luci. 😢 We will surely miss our boy Jayden. 

51 minutes ago, Turner said:

we probably did offer him the contract and then took it away when we reassessed our options and when he asked for something outrageous and its kinda just followed that trajectory to where it is now

ironic given he signed witherden from the lions for that exact reason and then realised he just disposes of it sideways and backwards and gets 25 of the least effective touches and drops him every other week

Probably why he didn’t get a game, although Gaff does the same

I actually believe he will play Hunt on a wing

43 minutes ago, Lucifers Hero said:

fwiw this these are the compensation categories.

Free Agency Compensation pick categories: 

•  1st round
•  end of 1st round
•  2nd round
•  end of 2nd round
•  3rd round

In applying the formula, an expert committee reviews the formula outcomes. The committee has the power to recommend alternative outcomes to GM – Football Operations where the formula produces a materially anomalous result.

The word 'expert' made me laugh!

Expert 1: "Did we get the desired result?"
Expert 2: "No, the formula is coming up with a second round pick."
Expert 1: "Than Scrap It! We cannot have them only receiving a second round pick! We'll give them a first round pick as promised!"
Expert 1 Walks Up to GM - Football Operations: "As discussed yesterday, the formula has come up with the outcome of a first round pick."
GM - Football Operations: "Excellent! Please Proceed."

48 minutes ago, Lucifers Hero said:

So for Jayden we would get a third round pick currently #51 but that will come in to a pick possibly in the low 40's once the second and third round picks have been cashed in for F/S.

Can't tell you much it pains me to write that.

Are you sure? If he signs for 4 years on $500 surely that is end of 2nd round at least?

10 minutes ago, DubDee said:

Are you sure? If he signs for 4 years on $500 surely that is end of 2nd round at least?

Possibly.  I didn't think he would get that sort of offer.

I was using the Amon deal of 4 years on $600 to $650, as a guide and Port get a 2nd round pick.

1 hour ago, Lucifers Hero said:

Possibly.  I didn't think he would get that sort of offer.

I was using the Amon deal of 4 years on $600 to $650, as a guide and Port get a 2nd round pick.

I’d rate Hunt not as highly as Amon obviously but equivalent to a Tomlinson when we signed him. He was on 4 years and 400K back then I think

5 minutes ago, DubDee said:

I’d rate Hunt not as highly as Amon obviously but equivalent to a Tomlinson when we signed him. He was on 4 years and 400K back then I think

His contracts have been for 2 years at time.  I would be surprised if he was on $400k at the dees or if he gets that at WCE. 

Sometimes we fans over estimate a player's salary e.g Freo reportedly offered Blake Acres a two year contract of $200-$300 p.a.  Carlton offered $350k for three years.

Not wishing to compare the players more giving an example of some salary realities for 'journeymen'.

Yes I think Eagles will have put up at least a 3year $350k a year deal to Hunt. At least!!! Could be a 4 year deal.  And almost a “you are clearly in our planning and will be guaranteed a game” type promise. 

Id rather have Hunt on a wing or Forward

4 hours ago, spirit of norm smith said:

Yes I think Eagles will have put up at least a 3year $350k a year deal to Hunt. At least!!! Could be a 4 year deal.  And almost a “you are clearly in our planning and will be guaranteed a game” type promise. 

and the rest

the 'average' afl wage is $375k

he's not going to move across the country to play for a bottom-ranked side for an 'average' wage

8 hours ago, WalkingCivilWar said:

Samesies Layz. Pfft, I never get emotionally attached to players. 


I’m not crying, I’ve just got something in my eye. 

That's your first mistake, footballers are commodities that are to be bought and sold 😛

Oh and they're also role models and not entititled to lives of their own. Whenever I see player X out having a beer I wonder why he isnt training at that exact time.

Oh and why don't they care as much as we do when they lose? Based on no proof whatsoever. 🤣

11 minutes ago, whatwhat say what said:

and the rest

the 'average' afl wage is $375k

he's not going to move across the country to play for a bottom-ranked side for an 'average' wage

Hunt’s our 23rd best player. Even at West Coast he’s not getting near their top 15.

And top 10 players all make 700k+, the next 5 get paid well too, bottom 10 players all make at least 100k plus match payments. 16-30 on the list  therefore have to get sandwiched. 

My guess is the raise in average player wages isn’t matched by the median player wage. We’d have to pay Hunt the median, given he is our median, I doubt that’s anywhere close to 375. West Coast would only have to beat that by enough to justify his move.

 

we shall see, i guess

 

 

 

11 hours ago, WalkingCivilWar said:

You’re right Dub. I’m heartbroken at the thought of him leaving. My only consolation is that it’s not Essendon or Collingwood who’ll get him.

Agree totally, very sad face