Jump to content

Hawks racism allegations (merged thread)


Demonland

Recommended Posts

7 minutes ago, Supermercado said:

Tempting to lay the boots into other clubs but I'd be surprised if every club in the league didn't have skeletons in the closet. Even if you take race out of the story, how many other young players have had similar experiences after being drafted?

Yep. 

Things such as this don't happen in a vacuum 

Edited by binman
  • Like 3
Link to comment
Share on other sites

12 minutes ago, sue said:

Well perhaps he has taken leave so he can have time to be interrogated.

 

2 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

When they say assist in that context it means answer the questions, not be the one asking them. 

I read it the wrong way. I probably wouldn’t have had it been anyone other than the AFL. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I don't know if Clarko is innocent or not but. if the review commissioned by the dorks did not approach him with the allegations and include his response in the report. then the report writers were negligent and the report loses significant value and meaning.

It's called natural justice and if it is good enough for a brownlow medallist then it should be good enough for a coach accused of racist behaviour.

Clarko and Fagan standing down makes good sense.

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

4 hours ago, Return to Glory said:

With due respect Roger, having significant mental health issues in one's family certainly doesn't mean he should have headed up Beyond Blue.

WIth respect RTG, it doesn't mean he shouldn't either. My point was that mental health is a sensitive issue and I don't believe Beyond Blue in particular, nor Jeff's involvement in BB needs to be dragged through the mud by association. Jeff Kennett the HFC president is a different kettle of fish, so knock yourselves out. My opinion only.

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Just now, tiers said:

I don't know if Clarko is innocent or not but. if the review commissioned by the dorks did not approach him with the allegations and include his response in the report. then the report writers were negligent and the report loses significant value and meaning.

It's called natural justice and if it is good enough for a brownlow medallist then it should be good enough for a coach accused of racist behaviour.

Clarko and Fagan standing down makes good sense.

100% it comes through as a bit of a witch hunt. I cannot understand why it has been handled the way it has. 

 


 

 

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

2 minutes ago, tiers said:

I don't know if Clarko is innocent or not but. if the review commissioned by the dorks did not approach him with the allegations and include his response in the report. then the report writers were negligent and the report loses significant value and meaning.

It's called natural justice and if it is good enough for a brownlow medallist then it should be good enough for a coach accused of racist behaviour.

Clarko and Fagan standing down makes good sense.

The report was for the Indigenous players stories. Hawthorn were then to investigate, but chose to hand over to the AFL. It's a little unfortunate it's public news now rather than giving that time but I'd expect the justification from the ABC is that Hawthorn had it for 2 weeks and didn't seem to be starting much of an investigation or getting on with supporting the ex players.

  • Like 3
Link to comment
Share on other sites


17 minutes ago, BDA said:

Pretty strong statement from Clarkson. It does seem strange that a report can be issued which makes very serious allegations but does not interview the accused? Is this standard practice? 

As far as I understand, the report was commissioned within the purview of the Collingwood ‘do better’ report, the scope of the report was to find out what experiences indigenous people had whilst being with the Hawks, which means questions were asked and the outcome of those questions are the allegations being made. It wasn’t a report to get to the bottom of the veracity of allegations on this scale, it was to relay experiences and make changes. Given the allegations are so serious, hawthorn gave it to the AFL to deal with from here.

Clarkson and co. will now be able to address the allegations in the AFL investigation that has been announced and this investigation is where the veracity of what has been alleged will be addressed.

Edited by BoBo
  • Like 6
  • Thanks 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

51 minutes ago, sue said:

Gil said he had it a week

Edit: about a week.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2022/sep/21/afl-investigates-claims-hawthorn-separated-first-nations-players-from-families-and-called-for-pregnancy-termination

AFL chief executive Gillon McLachlan said the governing body had received the report “about a week ago”.

Thanks Sue so I can safely  assume it would have stayed buried till next week at the earliest. 

  • Like 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

47 minutes ago, rpfc said:

@ding and @faultydet you can throw up all you like but what biases and preconceptions do you think that unit takes into its investigations and reports?

Like FMD, there is a massive segment of Australian society who will admit there are issues but not admit the underlying causes, effects or impacts, or any remedies.

Just a message of “why are you making a thing of it?” and excuses or portrayed grievance and victimisation. 

I'm not sure in what context you are calling the two gentlemen but if I recall correctly they are twin brothers which btw is totally irrelevant to anything and everything.  Apologies to them if that is incorrect...

I've always been fond of @ding's cat avatar and it always makes me smile.  Yes also totally irrelevant to anything and everything. 

Sorry for the diversion, folks.  I just needed to add something light hearted to this very sad thread.

Edited by Lucifers Hero
  • Like 1
  • Haha 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

5 hours ago, rpfc said:

I don’t know about the rest of you, but after the initial shock and disgust, my head went to ‘how many other clubs have had this mindset and for how long?’

Devaluing indigenous people is not new, it’s widespread across institutions and how prevalent it is/was may dictate what penalties occur because maybe we would casting a great deal of people out into the ether…

Such a shame we are here still.

A Hawk friend rang me this morning devastated. In a long conversation he said he could no longer support Hawthorn and asked me to prepare a pitch for Melbourne. He'd be choosing a new team.

And much as I'd love to recruit a Dee, I told him to take caution because sadly Hawthorn may not be the only club (eg we know about problems in Collingwood) to have behaved like this and the events of today may lead to others speaking out.

I would be appalled if something similar was revealed at Melbourne FC. This is bigger than football.

  • Like 8
Link to comment
Share on other sites


8 minutes ago, Lucifers Hero said:

I'm not sure in what context you are calling the two gentlemen but if I recall correctly they are twin brothers which btw is totally irrelevant to anything and everything.  Apologies to them if that is incorrect...

I've always been fond of @ding's cat avatar and it always makes me smile.  Yes also totally irrelevant to anything and everything. 

Sorry for the diversion, folks.  I just needed to add something light hearted to this very sad thread.

So much to unpack, so little time. Firstly, you sound scarily like me. This is the kinda stuff I usually post. In fact, if not for my disdain for cats, I’d legit think I’d posted this.
And Faulty has a twin brother??? So, effectively we have TWO Faultys/ Faulties? 
Seriously Luci, thank you for the welcome distraction, even though it’s likely only fleeting. 💕

Link to comment
Share on other sites

The only thing vaguely surprising about this is how surprised everybody is. 

  1. Horethorn have been a bunch of hypocrites since the 1960's. The 'Family Club' monitor is a complete triumph for the marketing profession. Remember, this is the club that condones thuggery, bash artists and cowardly, behind the play, king hits. There's a veritable arms-length long list of serial offenders. These people are also fathers, brothers, sisters and parents. How dare they knock unconscious someone else's loved one. No wonder in some circles the club is known as Hypocrite Highway.
  2. Despite the BS we tell ourselves as a country, we are a deeply racist society. We are a country, like most others it must be said, full of myth making, repressed collective memories and denial of historical truths. We are, for the most part, unwilling to confront our violent history. The shame and guilt is too much to bear, so we scapegoat to ward off the inner demons (no pun intended). I now await the victim blaming to come the way of the accusers.
  3. We are now in the era of past wrongs being surfaced and reparations and amends sort. Child sex abuse, rape and sexual harassment, money laundering by the big banks, historical wage theft by everyone from the big corporates to the ABC and the university sector. And now it's the AFL's turn to deal with historical endemic racism in the game. I would be very surprised if there are not skeletons in other closets, including ours, waiting to emerge.

Your author is not guilt free in this context. Time for me to write a letter to Glen James and apologise.

The AFL has much to be proud of in the First Nation's space. However, this is stench wafting across the AFL landscape that is truly appalling. May the AFL lead the way.

Edited by Queanbeyan Demon
Typo
  • Like 8
  • Thanks 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, rpfc said:

@ding and @faultydet you can throw up all you like but what biases and preconceptions do you think that unit takes into its investigations and reports?

Like FMD, there is a massive segment of Australian society who will admit there are issues but not admit the underlying causes, effects or impacts, or any remedies.

Just a message of “why are you making a thing of it?” and excuses or portrayed grievance and victimisation. 

Yeah, they are white so they MUST be racist.

Like FMD every white copper is racist.

Yeah, sure.

Attitudes like yours are a part of the problem.

Edited by ding
Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 minute ago, WalkingCivilWar said:

So much to unpack, so little time. Firstly, you sound scarily like me. This is the kinda stuff I usually post. In fact, if not for my disdain for cats, I’d legit think I’d posted this.
And Faulty has a twin brother??? So, effectively we have TWO Faultys/ Faulties? 
Seriously Luci, thank you for the welcome distraction, even though it’s likely only fleeting. 💕

And I thought we were kindred spirits! 😉

  • Haha 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

5 minutes ago, Big Col said:

A Hawk friend rang me this morning devastated. In a long conversation he said he could no longer support Hawthorn and asked me to prepare a pitch for Melbourne. He'd be choosing a new team.
 

 

That is very sad to hear. Clarko and Fagan come across as men of high integrity and deserve the right to defend these allegations. I would have thought this would be the sentiment of most Hawks supporters until proven otherwise.

Edited by Jibroni
  • Like 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Unfortunately, your content contains terms that we do not allow. Please edit your content to remove the highlighted words below.
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    • No registered users viewing this page.
  • Demonland Forums  

  • Match Previews, Reports & Articles  

    2024 Player Reviews: #5 Christian Petracca

    Date of Birth: 4 January 1996 Height: 187cm Games MFC 2024: 13 Career Total: 189 Goals MFC 2024: 14 Career Total: 184 Brownlow Medal Votes 16 Melbourne’s most important player who dominated the first half of the season until his untimely injury in the Kings Birthday clash put an end to his season. At the time, he was on his way to many personal honours and the club in strong finals contention. When the season did end for Melbourne and Petracca was slowly recovering, he

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 6

    2024 Player Reviews: #2 Jacob van Rooyen

    Date of Birth: 16 April 2003 Height: 193cm Games MFC 2024: 21 Career Total: 41 Goals MFC 2024: 30 Career Total: 58 Brownlow Medal Votes 1 Strong marking youngster who plays forward and relief ruck, continued to make significant strides forward in his career path. The Demons have high hopes for van Rooyen as he stakes his claim to become an elite attacking forward.

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 12

    LIVE AND LET DIE by Meggs

    The Demons’ impressive late season charge to finals will most likely come unstuck this Saturday evening when the Bombers blow up the also-ran Blues in the Ikon Park double-header.   To mangle McCartney, what does it matter to ya? To have any chance to play next week Narrm has got a job to do and needs to do it well.  We’ve got to give the Pie sheilas hell, say live and let die! It’s Indigenous Round for this game and the chance to celebrate and engage with Aboriginal and Torres

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    AFLW Melbourne Demons

    2024 Player Reviews: #32 Tom Sparrow

    Had to shoulder more responsibility as the club’s injury concerns deepened but needs to step up more as he closes in on 100 games. Date of Birth: 31 May 2000 Height: 186cm Games MFC 2024: 21 Career Total: 95 Goals MFC 2024: 6 Career Total: 34 Games CDFC: 1 Goals CDFL: 0

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 24

    2024 Player Reviews: #35 Harry Petty

    Date of Birth: 12 November 1999 Height: 197cm Games MFC 2024: 20 Career Total: 82 Goals MFC 2024: 9 Career Total: 28 Brownlow Medal Votes 3 Failed to fulfill the promise of his breakout six goal effort against the Tigers in 2023 and was generally disappointing as a key forward. It remains to be seen whether Simon Goodwin will persevere with him in attack or return him to the backline where he was an important cog in the club’s 2021 premiership success.

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 17

    2024 Player Reviews: #22 Blake Howes

    After a bright start to the season, playing mostly in defence, Howes seemed to lose his way in midseason but fought back with some good performances at Casey and finished the year back at AFL level. One to watch in 2024. Date of Birth: 7 March 2003 Height: 191cm Games MFC 2024: 15 Career Total:  15 Goals MFC 2024: 0 Career Total:  0 Games CDFC 2024: 6 Goals CDFC 2024: 0

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 5

    2024 Player Reviews: #33 Tom Fullarton

    Originally an NBL basketballer with the Brisbane Bullets, he moved across town in 2019 to the AFL Lions where he played 19 games before crossing to Melbourne where he was expected to fill a role as a back up ruckman/key forward. Unfortunately, didn’t quite get there although he did finish equal sixth in Casey’s best and fairest award. Date of Birth: 23 February 1999 Height: 198cm Games CDFC: 14 Goals CDFL: 13

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 5

    2024 Player Reviews: #10 Angus Brayshaw

    Sadly, had to wrap up a great career in midstream on the back of multiple concussions which culminated in the Maynard hit in the 2023 Qualifying Final. His loss to the club was inestimable over and above his on field talent given his character and leadership qualities, all of which have been sorely missed. Date of Birth: 9 January 1996 Height: 188cm Games MFC 2024: 0 Career Total: 167 Goals MFC 2024: 0 Career Total: 49

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 8

    2024 Player Reviews: #40 Taj Woewodin

    The son of former Demon Brownlow Medalist Shane, Taj added a further 16 games to his overall tally of games but a number were as substitute. He is slowly fitting into the team structure but without doing anything spectacular and needs to take further steps forward in 2025 for his career to progress. Date of Birth: 26 March 2003 Height: 182cm Games MFC 2024: 16 Career Total: 20 Goals MFC 2024: 1 Career Total: 3 Games CDFC 2024: 6 Goals CDFC 2024: 1

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 5
  • Tell a friend

    Love Demonland? Tell a friend!

×
×
  • Create New...