Jump to content

  • IMPORTANT: PLEASE READ BEFORE POSTING

    Demonland has made the difficult decision to not permit this platform to be used to discuss & debate the off-field issues relating to the Melbourne Football Club including matters currently being litigated between the Club & former Board members, board elections, the culture at the club & the personal issues & allegations against some of our players & officials ...

    We do not take these issues & this decision lightly & of course we believe that these serious matters affecting the club we love & are so passionate about are worthy of discussion & debate & I wish we could provide a place where these matters can be discussed in a civil & respectful manner.

    However these discussions unfortunately invariably devolve into areas that may be defamatory, libelous, spread unsubstantiated rumours & can effect the mental health of those involved. Even discussion & debate of known facts or media reports can lead to finger pointing, blame & personal attacks.

    The repercussion is that these discussions can open this website, it’s owners & it’s users to legal action & may result in this website being forced to shutdown.

    Our moderating team are all volunteers & cannot moderate the forum 24/7 & as a consequence problematic content that contravenes our rules & standards may go unnoticed for some time before it can be removed.

    We reserve the right to delete posts that offend against our above policy & indeed, to ban posters who are repeat offenders or who breach our code of conduct.

    WE HAVE BUILT A FANTASTIC ONLINE COMMUNITY AT DEMONLAND OVER THE PAST 23 YEARS & WE WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE TO BE ABLE TO DISCUSS THE CLUB WE LOVE & ARE SO PASSIONATE ABOUT.

    Thank you for your continued support & understanding. Go Dees.


Hawks racism allegations (merged thread)


Demonland

Recommended Posts

48 minutes ago, BDA said:

Pretty strong statement from Clarkson. It does seem strange that a report can be issued which makes very serious allegations but does not interview the accused? Is this standard practice? 

Also interesting that the ABC article which is related to but separate from the report states that they put detailed questions about the issues raised to Clarkson, Fagan and Burt but none replied.

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 minute ago, Jibroni said:

 

That is very sad to hear. Clarko and Fagan come across as men of high integrity and deserve the right to defend these allegations, I would have thought this would be the sentiment of most Hawks supporters.

In the end I don't think he will really choose a new team, but the response from Hawthorn will play a part in him remaining engaged with the sport (along with the final washup after Clarko and Fagan and Burt have their say) I guess what struck me was the way he regarded this as above his loyalty to his team (and he's a big fan) and even considered swapping teams. 

  • Like 3
Link to comment
Share on other sites

2 minutes ago, old dee said:

After today it feels like one of those days where I just want to go to bed and pull the dona over my head till in all goes away. What a sad world we are leaving our grand children  

I disagree OD. As horrific as it is to read, these stories need to come to light so that tomorrow is a better day - for your grandkids, and all the grandkids.

Most young people just aren’t going to tolerate this kind of behaviour - for themselves and for their community members. The world is changing, which presents an opportunity for all of us to make it a more fair and equitable place.

20 years ago this would have never been a story. Now it’ll be on the front page of every paper. It’s time to tell the truth, so that the future can be built on it. 👍

  • Like 5
  • Thanks 1
  • Love 4
Link to comment
Share on other sites

6 minutes ago, old dee said:

After today it feels like one of those days where I just want to go to bed and pull the dona over my head till in all goes away. What a sad world we are leaving our grand children  

This is unfortunately ( yes, if proven true as they are allegations at this stage) only a small expression of what a lot of indigenous people have and still go through as being thought of as inferior in our society. It’s why it’s important to not let people minimise or deny the potency and regularity of racism in Australia. All you can do. 

  • Like 5
Link to comment
Share on other sites

17 minutes ago, DeeMee said:

Also interesting that the ABC article which is related to but separate from the report states that they put detailed questions about the issues raised to Clarkson, Fagan and Burt but none replied.

Andy Maher made an excellent point. Why didn't Clarko take the call? He could have nipped this all in the bud I'd it was not true and demand the story not to be printed or else.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

38 minutes ago, Ugottobekidding said:

Wonder what evidence there is. You would hardly write an article without something to back up the claims. Will be interesting to see what unfolds. Sounds like too much smoke to not be fire.

if you are referring to the abc article, it was simply a reprint of the hfc independent report. little more that just a leak of someone else's work and repeated as allegations from said report. as such there was no reason for the abc to back it up other than to verify the existence of the independent report.

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

27 minutes ago, ding said:

Yeah, they are white so they MUST be racist.

Like FMD every white copper is racist.

Yeah, sure.

Attitudes like yours are a part of the problem.

I said that? Every white cop is racist? I intimated that a unit with that make up is not ideal to manage, not encourage,  accusations made by indigenous Australians in their workplace.

Talking about attitudinal issues, go stare at yourself in the mirror and say that the biases and preconceptions of 5 white former cops is a healthy place for indigenous people to receive their ‘natural justice.’ If you can do that, you would be looking at a deluded individual.

  • Like 6
  • Thinking 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites


6 minutes ago, rpfc said:

I said that? Every white cop is racist? I intimated that a unit with that make up is not ideal to manage, not encourage,  accusations made by indigenous Australians in their workplace.

Talking about attitudinal issues, go stare at yourself in the mirror and say that the biases and preconceptions of 5 white former cops is a healthy place for indigenous people to receive their ‘natural justice.’ If you can do that, you would be looking at a deluded individual.

And you just double down on your anti white-police racism.

You should be ashamed of yourself, but im sure you wont.

  • Facepalm 9
Link to comment
Share on other sites

I think every club needs to be reviewed. A chance to come forward on a one off basis and share any truths that need to come out so everyone learns the lessons simultaneously and we figure out together how to never let it happen again. The game is not bulletproof, I don't care how rich the AFL is. Russia was a pretty wealthy country once.

This is bigger than one club or coach and if you think this alleged behaviour is limited to this scenario, think again.

  • Like 6
Link to comment
Share on other sites

5 minutes ago, ding said:

And you just double down on your anti white-police racism.

You should be ashamed of yourself, but im sure you wont.

I am always amazed by those that have a worldview that is constantly attacked by the facts on the ground. You can think what you want about me, but I worry for you and those you influence that cannot see what is right in front of you.

Is this news abhorrent?

Are those charged with assisting those impacted set up to help them? 

What would diminish reporting on things like this in real time? 

Unfortunately for some, these are questions that you don’t want asked because the answers only lead to conclusions you simply don’t want to acknowledge. 

You can live in that alternate universe, but don’t expect my silence when it comes up in actual reality.

  • Like 7
Link to comment
Share on other sites

9 minutes ago, ding said:

And you just double down on your anti white-police racism.

You should be ashamed of yourself, but im sure you wont.

 

12 minutes ago, ding said:

And you just double down on your anti white-police racism.

You should be ashamed of yourself, but im sure you wont.

489 indigenous deaths in custody since 1991 might be a reason? With 0 convictions?

Indigenous people composing 3% of the Australian population but comprising 28% of jail inmates?

 

  • Like 8
Link to comment
Share on other sites

4 minutes ago, rpfc said:

I am always amazed by those that have a worldview that is constantly attacked by the facts on the ground. You can think what you want about me, but I worry for you and those you influence that cannot see what is right in front of you.

Is this news abhorrent?

Are those charged with assisting those impacted set up to help them? 

What would diminish reporting on things like this in real time? 

Unfortunately for some, these are questions that you don’t want asked because the answers only lead to conclusions you simply don’t want to acknowledge. 

You can live in that alternate universe, but don’t expect my silence when it comes up in actual reality.

You pushed a racist trope. One that says white police cant be fair to indigenous Australians.

They are your words and you need to own them. Deflecting and obfuscating wont change the meaning of what you said.

It is both wrong and racist.

Own your words.

  • Facepalm 8
  • Vomit 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

3 minutes ago, BoBo said:

 

489 indigenous deaths in custody since 1991 might be a reason? With 0 convictions?

Indigenous people composing 3% of the Australian population but comprising 28% of jail inmates?

 

Are you suggesting all of our prosecutors, judges and juries are racist too?.... ALL of them? 

This garbage needs to stop.

  • Like 1
  • Thanks 1
  • Haha 1
  • Facepalm 5
  • Vomit 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

8 minutes ago, Demonland said:

 

That story Eddie just shared! OMFG. And it happened recently! If you’re not watching AFL 360…Eddie was at a public swimming pool, holding his baby with his other children playing in the pool when a lifeguard approached him and told him he has to leave the pool immediately. The reason? Because an elderly white couple complained to the lifeguard that Eddie being in the pool was making their grandkid uncomfortable!!!!! WTAF??? 

  • Like 1
  • Thanks 1
  • Shocked 2
  • Sad 5
  • Angry 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites


3 minutes ago, ding said:

Are you suggesting all of our prosecutors, judges and juries are racist too?.... ALL of them? 

This garbage needs to stop.

Nup. That would be a dumb thing to say or to think I’m saying. 
 

I’m giving you statistical facts about how systemic racism exists and expresses itself in Australia which are a part of the reasons indigenous Australians to mistrust the police. 
 

Not an opinion either, it’s just very basic criminology which finds these disparities out. 
 

I can send you links to criminological papers on the issue which explains it all if you like?

  • Like 8
  • Thanks 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

3 hours ago, Ugottobekidding said:

Wona left and went home after his father died. 

Actually it might have been a comment I saw here. Someone bumped in to him at Darwin airport and he expressed a strong displeasure towards the club.

Anyway, I've drunk that much since last September everything blurs in to fog sometimes 🍻

  • Facepalm 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

4 hours ago, Lucifers Hero said:

I wonder what skeletons are in our closet in our treatment of indigenous players?  Didn't Davey, Wanaemirri, Jurrah (and maybe othres) have issues with Neeld? 

Wanaemirri didn't come back after 2011 and Jurrah lost his way.  Their departures may not in any way be connected to Neeld but there was some noise about his treatment of them at the time.  It leaked to the media and Davey had to publicly saw all was fine, nothing to see.

While we had the wonderful Jetta he was not the leader he was to become so his position at the time denied him a voice within the club that he later developed under Roos.

That is speculation & a shameful slur on the Club without a scrap of evidence. You shoud hang your head.

  • Thanks 1
  • Facepalm 1
  • Shocked 1
  • Vomit 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

2 minutes ago, BoBo said:

Nup. That would be a dumb thing to say or to think I’m saying. 
 

I’m giving you statistical facts about how systemic racism exists and expresses itself in Australia which are a part of the reasons indigenous Australians to mistrust the police. 
 

Not an opinion either, it’s just very basic criminology which finds these disparities out. 
 

I can send you links to criminological papers on the issue which explains it all if you like?

Yep, PM me the link, i will be happy to read it.

BTW we were not talking about why Indigenous Aussies have a distrust of police, we were clearly discussing RPFC's suggestion that white Ex-Coppers couldnt possibly give them a fair hearing. Do you believe that is the case?

Link to comment
Share on other sites

19 minutes ago, ding said:

You pushed a racist trope. One that says white police cant be fair to indigenous Australians.

They are your words and you need to own them. Deflecting and obfuscating wont change the meaning of what you said.

It is both wrong and racist.

Own your words.

I wasn’t deflecting, I was contextualising because you think that if you boil down someone’s alternate view to some horrible argument then you have won. But if you think that the horrible argument that me and many others are making is that we have historically racist institutions in this country…

lol 

Then you have just boiled it down to the truth. 

Welcome to reality! The toilets are to the right, the drinks are on the left, you can dance where you find room but avoid the buffet - it’s been out a long time because we’ve been here an effing long time!

Edited by rpfc
  • Like 5
Link to comment
Share on other sites

3 minutes ago, Mincho Mania said:

Actually it might have been a comment I saw here. Someone bumped in to him at Darwin airport and he expressed a strong displeasure towards the club.

Anyway, I've drunk that much since last September everything blurs in to fog sometimes 🍻

Yeah that sounds like crap.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 minute ago, rpfc said:

I wasn’t deflecting, I was contextualising because you think that if you boil down someone’s alternate view to some horrible argument then you have won. But if you think that the horrible argument that me and many others are making is that we have historically racist institutions in this country…

lol 

Then you have just boiled it down to the truth. 

Welcome to reality! The toilets are to the right, the drinks are on the left, you can dance where you find room but avoid the buffet - it’s been out a long time because we’ve been here an egging long time!

Oh ffs, i did not at ANY stage deny that we have some historical racism. That is undeniable.

What i did take umbrage to is your insulting insinuation that because there was "white Ex-police" involved then the outcome could not have been fair.

That is complete garbage.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Unfortunately, your content contains terms that we do not allow. Please edit your content to remove the highlighted words below.
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    • No registered users viewing this page.
  • Demonland Forums  

  • Match Previews, Reports & Articles  

    SCRUTINY & RESILIENCE by Whispering Jack

    If the week when preseason training melds into scratch matches with other clubs, is the first marker for the beginning of a new season, then this has certainly been a torrid opener for the Melbourne Football Club in its campaign to remain a leading AFL premiership contender in 2024. The Demons were already under enormous scrutiny from the media and football’s fan base (including their own) after consecutive straight-sets finals exits, with Clayton Oliver’s well documented woes, the Joel Smi

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 15

    Angus Brayshaw Forced into Retirement

    After 167 games including the drought breaking Premiership Angus Brayshaw has made the heart breaking decision to medically retire from football as a result of a series of serious head knocks over his nearly decade of footy. We wish Gus all the best and he'll always be a hero at Demonland. 😢

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 382

    PODCAST: Match SIM vs Richmond

    The Demonland Podcast will air LIVE on Tuesday, 20th February @ 8:30pm. Join George, Binman & I as we dissect the Scratch Match loss to the Tigers and hopefully provide me with some free MFCSS therapy. You questions and comments are a huge part of our podcast so please post anything you want to ask or say below and we'll give you a shout out on the show. If you would like to leave us a voicemail please call 03 9016 3666 and don't worry no body answers so you don't have to talk to a

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 43

    PREGAME: Practice Match vs Carlton

    The Dees will play their final practice match before the start of the 2024 seasons against the Blues at Ikon Park. What are you wanting to see in this final hit out before the season proper? Will Clarry & Salo return to the side? 2024 AAMI Community Series | Carlton v Melbourne Date: Wednesday 28 February Time: 6:40pm (AEDT) Location: IKON Park | Wurundjeri

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 80

    POSTGAME: Match SIM vs Richmond

    The Dees were outclassed and outmuscled in its first practice hit out for the 2024 season against the Tigers going down by 23 points at Casey Fields. 

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 286

    GAMEDAY: Match SIM vs Richmond

    It's Game Day and it's been 156 days since the Demons were bundled out of the finals in straight sets for the 2nd year in a row. Our redemption starts here. Remember it's only a practice match if we lose. Date: Sunday 18th Feb Location: Casey Fields Gate open: 9.30am Match commences: 10am Watch: Foxtel & Kayo Inclusions: Seven-quarter match simulation Signing opportunities Kids' activities Partner giveaways Demons Squad: 1. Steven May 2. Jacob Van Rooyen

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 402

    TRAINING: Saturday 17th February 2024

    On the eve of the Dees first practice match for the 2024 season a couple of Demonland Trackwatchers bring you their observations from today’s Captain’s Run at Gosch’s Paddock.  KEV MARTIN’S CAPTAIN’S RUN OBSERVATIONS Looks a a dress rehearsal Captain's run. 23 out doing drills.  Included is Will Verall, Kynan Brown, Bailey Laurie, Caleb Windsor, Blake Howes, Adam Tomlinson, Kade Chandler, Jack Billings and Josh Schache. Rehab include BBB, Tom Fullarton, TMac, AMW, Woey.

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Training Reports

    PREGAME: Match SIM vs Richmond

    The Demons will take to the field in their first hit out for 2024 against another team when they take on the Tigers at Casey Fields in a Scratch Match consisting of 7 "quarters". Melbourne vs Richmond Date: Sunday 18th Feb Location: Casey Fields Gate open: 9.30am Match commences: 10am Watch: Foxtel & Kayo Inclusions: Seven-quarter match simulation Signing opportunities Kids' activities Partner giveaways What are your expectations? What do you want to see from

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 130

    TRAINING: Monday 12th February 2024

    Clayton Oliver was integrated back into the main training group today for the first time in 2024 after completing a 2km time trial. FriendlyFellow, a new Demonland Trackwatcher hit Gosch's Paddock on a hot and windy morning to bring you his observations of the session. Disclaimer: Saw on the socials they were down at Gosch’s Paddock so headed down for a quick look. Little to no presence of other track watchers and no current live thread, so as a first time contributor, giving what the peopl

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Training Reports 6
  • Tell a friend

    Love Demonland? Tell a friend!

×
×
  • Create New...