On 8/21/2022 at 12:16 PM, Redleg said:

He is behind only Robbie as my favourite Dees player of all time. 5 Brownlows and 5 flags for Clarry won’t change that.

It would at least square the ledger but not likely to happen even with Trac  sharing some of those spoils.  The three will end up with Maxy ( who has contributed his own legacy as a leader and ruckman and greatest assistant to both in their careers ) as our greatest ever if 2 more flags and  Brownlow for  the greatest midfielders in our history.

Greatest ever Dees 

Flower  All individual awards 

Clarry 3 flags individual  awards plus Charlie

Trac 3 flags individual awards plus Charlie 

Maxy  3  flags  individual awards Top 5 in Charlie 2/3 Tim and huge contribution as    3 time  flag Captain and in trio as most substantial provider for  Clarry and  Trac in their individual and team brilliance and results.

Honorable mentions to any Dees with multiple individual awards inc Charlie and  3, 4 5, or 6 flags. 

1 hour ago, picket fence said:

Feeling sorry for Cripps??, Should not have even been playing the last two games, so no I dont feel in anyway sorry for him at all.  Look at the way he thought he was Superman, trying to take on all comers instead of using other players. Selfish player IMO

My point was Cripps lack of major game exposure and not playing with experienced successful players around him has, IMO, contributed to his performanaces w.r.t winning tight games.  He was just about BOG in our game, but yes he should have missed both games for sure.

maybe I'm just a sympathetic type unless the Dees are involved.

11 minutes ago, Deemania since 56 said:

What! Clarrie got a free kick? Bulltish! Who, when, what, why, where? I saw a few cheap punches from behind, one kick, seven 'holdings', three knees into the groin and a deliberate trip or two - nothing remarkable for Clarrie - but no compensatory frees! I thought I had good vision across the entire game. What am I missing out on? 

My psych said I was imagining it..

The other thing I did notice was that there was not even the slightest hint of hesitation as was in another game late on the .G

1 minute ago, willmoy said:

My psych said I was imagining it..

The other thing I did notice was that there was not even the slightest hint of hesitation as was in another game late on the .G

This has  got to the point of being inexcusable from the umpires.  

Prefer if he went back to back coaches award...

Clayton Oliver

Age newspaper player of the year 2022👍Christian Petracca came third!

Does anyone know when the Coaches’ Award will be announced?

3 minutes ago, Fanatique Demon said:

Does anyone know when the Coaches’ Award will be announced?

Great question, is it the night of AA announcement or is that the MVP?

58 minutes ago, Dee Dee said:

Clayton Oliver

Age newspaper player of the year 2022👍Christian Petracca came third!

Thanks Dee Dee. I can’t find that anywhere on The Age site. Do you have a reference?

Wednesday night the first lot of awards are announced

 

FWIW I have Clayton Oliver just ahead of Lachie Neale on my Brownlow Medal model predictions. It is only based on in-game statistics, not media/coaches votes so will be somewhat limited, but I think Oliver is definitely in with a shot.

https://www.wheeloratings.com/afl_brownlow.html

How many things can this bloke win - it's getting ridiculous.

1 hour ago, Fanatique Demon said:

Thanks Dee Dee. I can’t find that anywhere on The Age site. Do you have a reference?

In my downloaded copy of todays Age, page 37 right under votes for the last round.                                States: Clayton Oliver (Melbourne) - winner  125.                      

He also got 9 votes for Friday nights game! Hope that helps.

Put $40 on him in the preseason @ 9.00.  Cash out or hold?

I'm not sure Clarry wins it outright, Neale, Brayshaw well in the mix,

Could it be a 3 way Tie??

If Cripps gets anywhere near it it will be a DISGRACE, Should not even be eligible!

The thing about the Brownlow, (and I have a lot on inherent bias), that I really like, but I feel gets lost in the discussion is the 'Fairest' bit, to me it is a uniquely Australian distinction, especially from the Seppos. It goes back to cricket and to me the quintessentially Australian ethic, of playing as hard/well as you can, but not with a 'win at all cost' mentality. How you play the game means something. Now I am not saying that the Brownlow has always got this right, some of the winners have been door handles for sure. But as an aspirational goal, awarding the highest prize with an eye to how people handle themselves is something I can get around, and reinforces a great bit of Australian culture, I.e. a fair go. and not being a planker.

Could we run some sort of "Go fund me" on Demonland to ensure that @picket fence  has an adequate supply of booze and valium to keep him calm up to,  during,  and after the Brownlow vote?

PS.   Should Cripps win it - emergency supplies will be needed immediately

Clearly, I won't be right, but through assessing games by watching, checking statistics as well as coaches votes I have Oliver and Neale tying on 27 with Petracca on 26.

I have Oliver polling in 13 games, Neale 11 and Petracca 12.

I have Oliver polling 3 votes in 6 games (rounds 3, 6, 8, 10, 13 and 23)

Neale with 3 votes in 7 games (2, 5, 7, 9, 11, 19 and 21)

Petracca polling 3 votes in 4 games (1, 2, 9 and 16).  But I have Petracca potentially polling 2 votes six times.

Unlike others I hope Oliver wins.  It won't effect his performance in a GF should we make it.

The accolade would be well deserved, so who am I to hope he doesn't ?

4 hours ago, Dee Dee said:

Clayton Oliver

Age newspaper player of the year 2022👍Christian Petracca came third!

3rd Demon to win the Age Footballer of the Year

1979 - Robert Flower
1991 - Jim Stynes
2022 - Clayton Oliver

Oliver wins the ABC Footballer of the Year for the 2nd year in a row

Edited August 22, 20223 yr by 2021 Premiers

2 hours ago, deelusions from afar said:

Put $40 on him in the preseason @ 9.00.  Cash out or hold?

HOOOLLLLDDDD!!!

2 hours ago, deelusions from afar said:

Put $40 on him in the preseason @ 9.00.  Cash out or hold?

I got him at $10 ....and I'm with DubDee ..........h.o.l.d !!!!!!!!!!

It looks like Lachie Neal from the Brisbane Lions is slight favourite with Clayton Oliver a very close second.

I am happy for a tie with Lachie Neal but it would certainly be nice for Clayton Oliver to win the 2022 Brownlow Medal outright.

Anyway, here is an interesting article about it: https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/brownlow-medal/brownlow-medal-2022-stats-preview-analysis-predictions-winner-favourites-odds-clubbyclub-best-chances-to-win-chances-of-a-tie/news-story/18524184fdd052236ef150723014cbc6

Good luck Clarrie! We hope you win the Brownlow! We all love you here at the Demons!

 

Photo of Clayton Oliver with his "Checker" Hughes Medal from an ANZAC Eve Game against Richmond.

Edited September 14, 20223 yr by Supreme_Demon

Clarrie is better but Lachie plays a more eye catching game