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19 hours ago, picket fence said:

Spargo doesnt play wing he plays defensive forward and adds nothing to our scoring power

Spargo is statistically the most effective kick inside 50 in a team that notoriously struggles with kicks inside 50.

Would be great for him to do it more, but it's completely incorrect to say he adds nothing to our scoring power.

 

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It would be great to see stats per position across the league. I think HF & FO & HhF would be great to see the list in that position and averages. Spargo doesn’t get 20 possessions per week but what do other players average in similar role.

Stengel got 50 plus as number one small forward at cats our equivalent Kossie got 40 plus, but who is next in the league.

Fritsch as half forward got 50 plus who was next best in league.

Spargo as 2nd small forward who plays high only got 10 but how do other team’s equivalents stack up?

Most supporters have unrealistic expectations on the player and stats when compared to the role they play and the average stats.

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2 hours ago, D4Life said:

It would be great to see stats per position across the league. I think HF & FO & HhF would be great to see the list in that position and averages. Spargo doesn’t get 20 possessions per week but what do other players average in similar role.

Stengel got 50 plus as number one small forward at cats our equivalent Kossie got 40 plus, but who is next in the league.

Fritsch as half forward got 50 plus who was next best in league.

Spargo as 2nd small forward who plays high only got 10 but how do other team’s equivalents stack up?

Most supporters have unrealistic expectations on the player and stats when compared to the role they play and the average stats.

https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/tr-geelong-cats?year=2022&rt=TT&st=GO

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Spargo is always referred to by his height but I feel he doesn’t play to that type (other than using his lower centre of gravity to his advantage to evade as all his size do). 
I feel he’s in the same mould as jay Kennedy Harris from yesteryear and if spargo like him was pressed to play that first small roving forward role too he’d be found wanting the same way as JKH was. 

Hunter in form enough to be in the 22 definitely pressures spargo place. As will the emergence of anyone else capable of bringing a point of difference to the hff (seston, Howes, etc) 

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23 minutes ago, The end is nigh said:

Spargo is always referred to by his height but I feel he doesn’t play to that type (other than using his lower centre of gravity to his advantage to evade as all his size do). 
I feel he’s in the same mould as jay Kennedy Harris from yesteryear and if spargo like him was pressed to play that first small roving forward role too he’d be found wanting the same way as JKH was. 

Hunter in form enough to be in the 22 definitely pressures spargo place. As will the emergence of anyone else capable of bringing a point of difference to the hff (seston, Howes, etc) 

If it comes down to Hunter or Spargo then its a no Brainer, Hunter is the more superior footballer in every way!

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15 hours ago, D4Life said:

Thanks old55.

Spargo averaged 11.75 and 10 goals vs Miers for Cats in similar position 14.x and 13 goals.

Who did a lot better than Spargo as 2nd small high half forward?

 

Brad Close did kick 26 goals.

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I'm a big fan of Spargo and have been a staunch supporter since he arrived at the club.

But, personally i thought he was disappointing this year.

He defensive work dopped right off along with many others and whilst he is one of our best ball users going inside 50, we're lucky to see him do this 2-3 times on the day.

He was incredibly lucky not to get dropped at times especially when I saw a much more dynamic Kade Chandler at Casey level week in week out dominate at VFL level and was also hitting the scoreboard. 

Big year for Spargo in 2023. If he doesn't find other elements to add to his game such as hitting the scoreboard more and maintaining his pressure then he's simply in trouble for his spot. He's gotta step up especially as he's coming up to that sweet spot of 100 game mark.

Laurie and Chandler will be extremely hungry this year to take his spot.

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9 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

I'm a big fan of Spargo and have been a staunch supporter since he arrived at the club.

But, personally i thought he was disappointing this year.

He defensive work dopped right off along with many others and whilst he is one of our best ball users going inside 50, we're lucky to see him do this 2-3 times on the day.

He was incredibly lucky not to get dropped at times especially when I saw a much more dynamic Kade Chandler at Casey level week in week out dominate at VFL level and was also hitting the scoreboard. 

Big year for Spargo in 2023. If he doesn't find other elements to add to his game such as hitting the scoreboard more and maintaining his pressure then he's simply in trouble for his spot. He's gotta step up especially as he's coming up to that sweet spot of 100 game mark.

Laurie and Chandler will be extremely hungry this year to take his spot.

Correct DD but ANB Spargo and Sparrow are all in this together. The trio should have been dropped to Casey at some stage/s and will all have to contend with Chandler Laurie Howes Bowey JJ AMW and  Seston surely in 2023.

I'll be surprised if one or two of the new breed are not at the end of year in the team in the Finals competing after breakout years.

I reckon Chandler and Seston and ANB will be the players in the 23 and giving us a whole new look forward line with JVR and a resurgent BBB and Tmac.  Laurie is the other one to watch the new slimmer faster forward dynamo. 

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4 hours ago, 58er said:

Correct DD but ANB Spargo and Sparrow are all in this together. The trio should have been dropped to Casey at some stage/s and will all have to contend with Chandler Laurie Howes Bowey JJ AMW and  Seston surely in 2023.

I'll be surprised if one or two of the new breed are not at the end of year in the team in the Finals competing after breakout years.

I reckon Chandler and Seston and ANB will be the players in the 23 and giving us a whole new look forward line with JVR and a resurgent BBB and Tmac.  Laurie is the other one to watch the new slimmer faster forward dynamo. 

I am very excited over Seston and his potential, but he is a mile away from the senior team and will need plenty of time at Casey and probably another pre season, to build his fitness for AFL football.

Luckily we now know how to develop players and not destroy them, by selecting them too early for AFL level footy.

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1 hour ago, rpfc said:

‘Pretty critical role’ = playing on a wing.

At this point; if all roles are critical, none are.

That's some good critical thinking right there. Don't over do it though, otherwise you will just be thinking.

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On 10/27/2022 at 5:31 PM, Its Time for Another said:

I realise talking about Hannan in a Hunter thread is getting off topic but I spoke to him in the preseason after this and told him no matter what happens to him for the rest of his career we'll all never forget this moment. He was thrilled. I asked him what he was thinking as he was getting closer to goal. He said if you have a look at it you can see me glance across looking for a better option. I really didn't want to kick it myself. He said the kick didn't go well off his boot and he was crapping himself it was going to miss. So his initial emotion was relief.  

Back on topic, I reckon by the end of next season we will be looking back on this trade and putting it up there with the Langdon trade as a quiet trade that turns into a massive bonus. 

Most important addition in last 24m and already showing having 2nd genuine wingman and one more elite i50 kick will do EONS for the fwd line And taking pressure off Langdon — 2 genuine wingers also means now JJ and Sparrow rotate through midfield to improve our rotation and ensure more explosiveness and horses for courses approach so the duality of this cannot be measured tangibly until about round 8-12 but if he is fit and plays the impact will be immense.

 

2 elite running, one good one great disp wingers whom BOTH are dangerous fwd and both run both ways is extremely exciting and offers as much as having TMac back, JVR playing & having Kossie play more of a blitzkrieg mid (5-6 CB att) and he and Fritta running back into 50 whilst others lead out  — so many good things happening now we just need some luck 

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3 hours ago, Nascent said:

That's some good critical thinking right there. Don't over do it though, otherwise you will just be thinking.

Hate to be critical of your post, I just think it’s critical to point out that sports commentary is at a critical point with its critique. 

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5 hours ago, Nudge said:

Most important addition in last 24m and already showing having 2nd genuine wingman and one more elite i50 kick will do EONS for the fwd line And taking pressure off Langdon — 2 genuine wingers also means now JJ and Sparrow rotate through midfield to improve our rotation and ensure more explosiveness and horses for courses approach so the duality of this cannot be measured tangibly until about round 8-12 but if he is fit and plays the impact will be immense.

 

2 elite running, one good one great disp wingers whom BOTH are dangerous fwd and both run both ways is extremely exciting and offers as much as having TMac back, JVR playing & having Kossie play more of a blitzkrieg mid (5-6 CB att) and he and Fritta running back into 50 whilst others lead out  — so many good things happening now we just need some luck 

It's the time of year to be positive of course, but let's not forget that Hunter's last two seasons were pretty ordinary. So much so that most dogs supporters were happy to see him go. Some sort of improvement will be welcomed but let's not go over the top!

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4 hours ago, dee-tox said:

It's the time of year to be positive of course, but let's not forget that Hunter's last two seasons were pretty ordinary. So much so that most dogs supporters were happy to see him go. Some sort of improvement will be welcomed but let's not go over the top!

Hence the preface re fitness 🤦‍♂️ 

This is a needs based acquisition, and Hunter has wanted out for 3 years. Already looks like a new man down at training and mark my words if he’s healthy you’re going to be feeling giddy despite your perniciousness!!!

Lachie is seeing this preseason as a convalescence of sorts & his i50 disposal is top 10 in the game. If you can’t see that this is a need then.. well I don’t really know how to proceed. But to reaffirm my viewpoint, not for the sake of verisimilitude but for the opinion that (again — IF for/healthy as the aforementioned post stated) he adds real value & possesses much that we lack in some of the more nuanced skills. Not saying he’s guaranteed to make the greatest impact but as far as potentially plugging gaps go, he’s our most astute recruit since May!!!

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18 minutes ago, Nudge said:

Hence the preface re fitness 🤦‍♂️ 

This is a needs based acquisition, and Hunter has wanted out for 3 years. Already looks like a new man down at training and mark my words if he’s healthy you’re going to be feeling giddy despite your perniciousness!!!

Lachie is seeing this preseason as a convalescence of sorts & his i50 disposal is top 10 in the game. If you can’t see that this is a need then.. well I don’t really know how to proceed. But to reaffirm my viewpoint, not for the sake of verisimilitude but for the opinion that (again — IF for/healthy as the aforementioned post stated) he adds real value & possesses much that we lack in some of the more nuanced skills. Not saying he’s guaranteed to make the greatest impact but as far as potentially plugging gaps go, he’s our most astute recruit since May!!!

Definitely a thumbs up but couldn't understand a couple of the words 

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40 minutes ago, Nudge said:

Hence the preface re fitness 🤦‍♂️ 

This is a needs based acquisition, and Hunter has wanted out for 3 years. Already looks like a new man down at training and mark my words if he’s healthy

2 points.

Ive marked your words in the past, not hitching my wagon to your star any more.

"If he's healthy" is the nub of the issue, some believe his best is 2 years back.

 

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