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This is rubbish.  A bunch of loud angry people here wanted him gone.  And it's pretty clear that those people are reactive and not analytical, with the only common detraction from Goodwin be

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I just want to point out some stats that show this is false.   This year, Geelong used 35 players to our 33. The 15 Melbourne players who played the most games played an average of 22.8

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Wtf is this post, DS? Do you just chuck the feet up and hit the turps before posting on Demonland sometimes? 

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15 minutes ago, Stiff Arm said:

The ball moves faster than the players. I'd rather the ball in a slower player's hands with quick vision and decision making than those of Baker any day

But I too hoped TB would stay

Pace is still an asset when it comes to defensive pressure and transitioning. But I'm not fazed by TB's departure, and expect Baker to be delisted. Would be nice to have some ready made replacements who have leg speed.

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GWS are going to have a sh*t load of picks this year with Taranto, Hopper, Bruhn and Hill out.  Maybe they'd take our future 2nd + Bedford for 21 and we could on trade 21 to Collingwood for Grundy.  That would be a nice deal all around.

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2 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

There's a theme here with our history of rucks with the players you've named

All these players have been skinny raw ruckman based more on athletic potential over footballing ability. 

This strategy has simply not worked and Jason Taylor needs to change tactic with this.

And yet Brisbane's McInerney was toiling away under our nose at Casey, almost a free hit!

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23 minutes ago, old55 said:

GWS are going to have a sh*t load of picks this year with Taranto, Hopper, Bruhn and Hill out.  Maybe they'd take our future 2nd + Bedford for 21 and we could on trade 21 to Collingwood for Grundy.  That would be a nice deal all around.

We have a very good trading partnership with GWS. Hopefully they will agree to this deal, but it seems too good to be true. 

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14 minutes ago, Demonstone said:

How so?  We have no more claim on Casey players than any of the other 17 clubs.

#37 in rookie draft 2017. that's pretty much a free hit. and we had all the inside info, or should have had

definitely one we let through to the keeper

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1 hour ago, Mach5 said:

A future 2nd & minor shuffling for Bobby Hill. Surely GWS just flick that our way for Toby. Seems about correct weight.

No,  Bedford isn't worth the same as Hill.  And GWS will say that too,  they might give us that pick but we will have to give them another later pick too

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15 minutes ago, Travy14 said:

No,  Bedford isn't worth the same as Hill.  And GWS will say that too,  they might give us that pick but we will have to give them another later pick too


How is Hill worth more?

They are recruiting Toby to play, not for depth in their reserves. They are giving him 3 years. He’s worth a 2nd round pick.

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36 minutes ago, Travy14 said:

No,  Bedford isn't worth the same as Hill.  And GWS will say that too,  they might give us that pick but we will have to give them another later pick too

GWS have plenty of picks this year (after the Hill and Taranto trades they have 3, 12, 19, 21, 43, 58, 60) and no gun academy players so they have no use for any later picks from us 

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15 minutes ago, The Lobster Effect said:

GWS have plenty of picks this year (after the Hill and Taranto trades they have 3, 12, 19, 21, 43, 58, 60) and no gun academy players so they have no use for any later picks from us 

So this means throw them away?  He is a late 3rd at best wich is 58,  if we are lucky they offer us 43

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27 minutes ago, Travy14 said:

So this means throw them away?  He is a late 3rd at best wich is 58,  if we are lucky they offer us 43

Nah, he is worth more that that. As far as I am aware, we have offered him a contract. I presume a 2 year one. 

GWS are offering more money and more years. He isnt homesick. He has been targeted as a need by a rival interstate club. He isn't worth much but its more than 58.

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Nah, he is worth more that that. As far as I am aware, we have offered him a contract. I presume a 2 year one. 

GWS are offering more money and more years. He isnt homesick. He has been targeted as a need by a rival interstate club. He isn't worth much but its more than 58.

I is out of contract and played 3 actual AFL games, and didn't nudge the side for the 2nd half of the year.

Pick 70,  hasn't cemented his spot.  Sorry he isn't worth much.  Might be Targeted but they aren't going to pay overs for him.  He is targeted because he is a cheap option.  

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Nah, he is worth more that that. As far as I am aware, we have offered him a contract. I presume a 2 year one. 

GWS are offering more money and more years. He isnt homesick. He has been targeted as a need by a rival interstate club. He isn't worth much but its more than 58.


We offered him 3 years too.

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13 minutes ago, Mach5 said:

Uh, mate... do your calcs again.
43 is a 3rd rounder.

Yeh mate,  never said it wasn't.  It's an early 3rd which is why I said we would be lucky if they offered it too us

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We offered him 3 years too.

Yeh at what we can pay him,  which wouldn't be alot.  GWS can pay slightly more and is more opportunity for him there.  

The reason they are interested is because of his value

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12 hours ago, Travy14 said:

I is out of contract and played 3 actual AFL games, and didn't nudge the side for the 2nd half of the year.

Pick 70,  hasn't cemented his spot.  Sorry he isn't worth much.  Might be Targeted but they aren't going to pay overs for him.  He is targeted because he is a cheap option.  

I agree with the bold. I guess what we disagree on is what is 'much'.

Pick 58 isn't anything of value at all. It's possible that pick 58 wouldn't be used at all. We used pick 65 last year on Woewodin as the last pick in the draft.

A pick in the 40s isn't much. I guess we will find out soon enough.

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