beelzebub 23,392 Posted July 30, 2023 Posted July 30, 2023 20 hours ago, mo64 said: If a player retires, their salary still falls under the cap. It prevents rorting by clubs. So people suggesting that BBB and Tmac should retire have no idea. That's the equivalent of approx. $1.3 mill of dead money in our cap. Grundy has currency. Trade him. No idea ?? Try the mirror. Retirement through injury invariably a negotiated outcome. The figure(s) wont be anything to worry over. 1 Quote
dees189227 12,512 Posted July 30, 2023 Posted July 30, 2023 So in a few years when max retires or if the worst happens and max gets injured next year who will be our ruckman. Do we have anyone coming through? 1 Quote
leave it to deever 17,618 Posted July 30, 2023 Posted July 30, 2023 (edited) I was excited when we acquired Grundy. I thought it was a good idea. He was kind of a replacement for Jackson who although didn't kick many goals, did spend a lot of time playing as a forward. Now with the problem of not having Tmac and Bbb for various reasons, the need for Grundy to help our forward line grew dramatically. He's good Rickman but where Max dominates his his incredible around the ground marking abily. Grundy doesn't have this skill and it not only makes him a lesser ruckman but even less as a forward. Not playing at this point of the season is not good for him in playing finals. If our talls in our forward line work he won't play next week either. Especially from the Casey reports I've heard. Edited July 30, 2023 by leave it to deever Quote
Tracca 862 Posted July 30, 2023 Posted July 30, 2023 11 minutes ago, leave it to deever said: I was excited when we acquired Grundy. I thought it was a good idea. He was kind of a replacement for Jackson who although didn't kick many goals, did spend a lot of time playing as a forward. Now with the problem of not having Tmac and Bbb for various reasons, the need for Grundy to help our forward line grew dramatically. He's good Rickman but where Max dominates his his incredible around the ground marking abily. Grundy doesn't have this skill and it not only makes him a lesser ruckman but even less as a forward. Not playing at this point of the season is not good for him in playing finals. If our talls in our forward line work he won't play next week either. Especially from the Casey reports I've heard. It was very windy at Casey today which didn't help Grundys chances. He didn't do much at all though 2 Quote
Roost it far 10,137 Posted July 30, 2023 Posted July 30, 2023 Grundy’s future just got cloudy 1 Quote
Mt. Dee-Maaan 608 Posted July 30, 2023 Posted July 30, 2023 out of interest, should grundy be traded, i wonder if we are eligible for a draft pick and if so, what that would be? in the 20s? Quote
adonski 13,267 Posted July 30, 2023 Posted July 30, 2023 4 minutes ago, Constant Mongrel said: out of interest, should grundy be traded, i wonder if we are eligible for a draft pick and if so, what that would be? in the 20s? Whatever Port's 2nd rounder is I reckon 1 Quote
Demonstone 23,573 Posted July 30, 2023 Posted July 30, 2023 3 minutes ago, Constant Mongrel said: out of interest, should grundy be traded, i wonder if we are eligible for a draft pick and if so, what that would be? in the 20s? IF Grundy was traded, he wouldn't be a Free Agent (attracting a compensation pick) so any draft pick and/or players would be negotiated between Melbourne and his hypothetical new club. 1 Quote
Sydney_Demon 1,175 Posted July 30, 2023 Posted July 30, 2023 39 minutes ago, Demonstone said: IF Grundy was traded, he wouldn't be a Free Agent (attracting a compensation pick) so any draft pick and/or players would be negotiated between Melbourne and his hypothetical new club. I was going to give you a thanks emoji, but then I thought to myself that 90% of Demonlanders would surely know you don't get a compensation pick if you trade a player, that it's just a Free Agency thing 😀 1 Quote
Billy 2,575 Posted July 30, 2023 Posted July 30, 2023 I feel a bit for Grundy, but he did choose us, he could’ve gone to a least half a dozen clubs. To he’s credit he hasn’t complained yet, he needs to knuckle down now & get his spot back. Would be pretty poor to give up after one season Quote
Bring-Back-Powell 15,549 Posted July 30, 2023 Posted July 30, 2023 Grundy’s served his purpose by keeping Gawn fresh and firing at the business end of the year. I think it’s more than fair that we grant him a trade so he can seek the number 1 ruck role elsewhere next year. Quote
JTR 2,910 Posted July 30, 2023 Posted July 30, 2023 (edited) Definitely a good opportunity to rest a few and bring in some fringe/developing players to see what they've got. Norf are back in contention for pick #1, so they probably won't even put up a fight. Edited July 30, 2023 by JTR Quote
Bring-Back-Powell 15,549 Posted July 30, 2023 Posted July 30, 2023 43 minutes ago, Roost it far said: Do we rest Gawn next week? Not against this. Quote
layzie 34,528 Posted July 30, 2023 Posted July 30, 2023 I'd like to see a few less ruck minutes this week for Max. 2 Quote
wheaters31 687 Posted July 30, 2023 Posted July 30, 2023 If he stays, I'm OK with having a solid back-up plan for Max, who is into his thirties, and has a history of long-term injuries. If he goes to Port, I'm OK with it as we can move a big contract off our books, and potentially get a player like Georgiades coming back the other way. 2 Quote
YesitwasaWin4theAges 6,824 Posted July 30, 2023 Posted July 30, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, adonski said: Whatever Port's 2nd rounder is I reckon They don't have draft picks, used them all up for Horne-Francis. Edited July 30, 2023 by YesitwasaWin4theAges 1 Quote
layzie 34,528 Posted July 30, 2023 Posted July 30, 2023 9 hours ago, YesitwasaWin4theAges said: They don't have draft picks, used them all up for Horne-Francis. They've horne-swoggled themselves good. I'll shut the door behind me.. 1 1 Quote
Mt. Dee-Maaan 608 Posted July 31, 2023 Posted July 31, 2023 20 hours ago, Demonstone said: IF Grundy was traded, he wouldn't be a Free Agent (attracting a compensation pick) so any draft pick and/or players would be negotiated between Melbourne and his hypothetical new club. i was more referring to a pick trade, obviously not a compensation pick.. Quote
Redleg 42,156 Posted July 31, 2023 Posted July 31, 2023 19 hours ago, Roost it far said: Do we rest Gawn next week? Yes. Last real chance before finals. 1 Quote
Bombay Airconditioning 6,508 Posted July 31, 2023 Posted July 31, 2023 My Pie supporting mate says he heard / read an interview with Graham Wright, he apparently said that should Grundy be traded that they are no longer responsible for part of his wage. Citing their deal was with Melbourne not a third party. I wouldn’t have thought it mattered. Do the Pies have a case on a technicality in his contract? Quote
TRIGON 4,821 Posted July 31, 2023 Posted July 31, 2023 17 hours ago, YesitwasaWin4theAges said: They don't have draft picks, used them all up for Horne-Francis. Future 1st rounder and 2nd and/or 3rd round pick swaps as well? If allowed under the trade/draft rules. Quote
Dockett 32 1,239 Posted July 31, 2023 Posted July 31, 2023 36 minutes ago, Redleg said: Yes. Last real chance before finals. Not sure l agree on rest for anyone. (Yes l know I’m a hard a..e) There is a weeks rest after the last home and away game and we are still in the hunt for 2nd Spot. Dont think I’d be leaving the door ajar to anyone to knock us off. Quote
SFebes 4,884 Posted July 31, 2023 Posted July 31, 2023 22 minutes ago, Bombay Airconditioning said: My Pie supporting mate says he heard / read an interview with Graham Wright, he apparently said that should Grundy be traded that they are no longer responsible for part of his wage. Citing their deal was with Melbourne not a third party. I wouldn’t have thought it mattered. Do the Pies have a case on a technicality in his contract? I think that would be correct. We'd then take on the remainder of what his new contract is. ie; $950,000 is the apparent figure New club $600,000 We pay $350,000 Collingwood $0 But I'm probably wrong. Its still a lengthy contact too from memory? 1 Quote
drysdale demon 4,837 Posted July 31, 2023 Posted July 31, 2023 57 minutes ago, SFebes said: I think that would be correct. We'd then take on the remainder of what his new contract is. ie; $950,000 is the apparent figure New club $600,000 We pay $350,000 Collingwood $0 But I'm probably wrong. Its still a lengthy contact too from memory? 1 hour ago, Bombay Airconditioning said: My Pie supporting mate says he heard / read an interview with Graham Wright, he apparently said that should Grundy be traded that they are no longer responsible for part of his wage. Citing their deal was with Melbourne not a third party. I wouldn’t have thought it mattered. Do the Pies have a case on a technicality in his contract? Doesn't matter, he won't be traded. 2 1 Quote
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