1 hour ago, deejammin' said:

Ok, name how many AFL ruckmen you would pick before Jackson then name how many AFL mids you would have before JHF. 
For me, there’s at most five rucks I’d pick before Jackson (Gawn, Witts, Darcy, Hickey, Stanley) there’s a HUGE number of mids I’d pick before JHF (Oliver, Petracca, Viney, Dangerfield, Neale, Bontempelli, Liberatore, Treloar, Boak, Wines, Parker, Warner, Crisp, Miller, Rowell, Anderson, Cripps, Walsh, Cerra, Hewitt, Kennedy, Brayshaw, Serong, Laird, Keays, Taranto, Hopper, Martin, Cunnington, the list goes on.)

JHF May become a top mid, he may not, Jackson is a top ruck right now. His games against Brisbane mid season and Gold Coast early were better than anything JHF did all year. Not to mention how he went in the 2021 GF. He’s streets ahead in a position that’s harder to fill.

I actually can't respond to this. It's full of non-sequiturs. Your initial post did my head in. This one has caused a Quentin Tarantino "oh man, I shot Marvin in the face" type scenario to go off in my head.

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27 minutes ago, mo64 said:

Premiership teams are built around midfields, not ruckmen. You left out Nankervis who is a triple premiership ruckman. Dogs won a flag with Jordon Roughead as their no.1 ruck. When we flogged the Cats in 2021, Stanley was considered a dud. Hickey is a journeyman. Witts was a discard. 

Jackson is not a top flight ruckman yet. He may be in the future. But I'd guarantee that JHF will be a very good/gun midfielder.

The two are not mutually exclusive, ruckmen are key part of the midfield! Great midfields, with great ruckmen win premierships. Nankervis was integral to Richmonds premierships, Natanui West Coast’s, Gawn and Jackson ours, Stanley and Blitsavs Geelongs,  Big boy MacEvoy and Segler at Hawthorn, Ottens at Geelong, Dean Cox West Coast, the list goes on and on.
 I think Jackson was ahead of Nank this year but you can argue he’s behind him. My point stands, Jackson is in the top few ruckmen in the league and not easily replaceable, I’m hopeful Grundy will get back to 2018-19 form, as we all are, but Jackson is a top flight ruck.

JHF is all potential, he’s not in the top 20 mids in the comp right now, he may become a star, but he also may become an average mid, like many before him. That was my point and you may not agree, but it’s not insane nor full of non-sequiters, I think a lot of educated football people would agree. Time will tell, let’s tag this and wait five years, let’s see if JHF is in the top 10 mids in that time frame.

Do the Cats have photos of the Suns or something?

 

3 hours ago, Redleg said:

Why can't you?

You stuff up, want to fix it and throw in a pick with a player, to get rid of him and his contract. The only reason we are all excited is because it is a high pick. We have seen player and pick swaps before. The only difference here is that it's pick 7.

BTW, Grundy says hello.

Grundy is a totally different situation. Pies didn’t pay us a top 10 pick to take him. We did a trade. Yes it was unders but it was still a proper trade where Pies got pick 27 and we go a player and we are sharing his salary. 

This deal is basically paying for top end draft picks. It’s stupid. 

It’s like the Cats recruiting team are all at a table and break out into hysterics when the Suns come walking through their door, “I can’t believe they’re back again 😂“

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3 minutes ago, Demonland said:

 

Cadman is ours in a couple years! Go hard Dees.

 

our return for Dogga just got a whole lot sweeter 😉

 

10 minutes ago, Demonland said:

 

I hope North take him...I guess it's a bit closer to Geelong.

...can get the train from Spencer Street.

35 minutes ago, Demonland said:

 

Ok. So let’s target Lachie Ash next year.

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He has real pace and would love to run alongside our Mids.  We have plenty of picks to trade him in next year.
Surely he’s got to think that life’s better outside western Sydney and playing at the MCG in big games is what makes AFL footy really special. 

1 hour ago, Demonland said:

Do the Cats have photos of the Suns or something?

 

What a serious joke. They must have a whole hard drive.

43 minutes ago, spirit of norm smith said:

Ok. So let’s target Lachie Ash next year.

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He has real pace and would love to run alongside our Mids.  We have plenty of picks to trade him in next year.
Surely he’s got to think that life’s better outside western Sydney and playing at the MCG in big games is what makes AFL footy really special. 

Ash is a plodder, has looked bog average at the giants 

Perhaps if they play him in the natural role as a half back he'd be a bit more appealing 

5 minutes ago, adonski said:

Ash is a plodder, has looked bog average at the giants 

Perhaps if they play him in the natural role as a half back he'd be a bit more appealing 

Yeah, I'm sure he's got good talent but the way GWS play doesn't help him 

 

7 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

Four: Gold Coast are incompetent. Rather than split pick 7 and send Bowes to market, possibly with a 200k wiped off his wage they offer pick 7 straight up.

Essendon, North, Hawthorn are desperate  for high picks. Desperate. They’d do exactly what Geelong have done with the contract for a far lesser pick.

The Suns could’ve split pick 7 and to 2 picks in the teens and used 2 picks to dump 2 players they didn’t like and saved even more money. 

But Gold Coast are just ordinary and don’t seem to be getting any better at managing their list. Even as their team improves and matures they seem keen to make more mistakes.

Bowes is under contract. He chooses the club he wants to go to. He wanted to go to Geelong.

1 hour ago, demoniac said:

Bowes is under contract. He chooses the club he wants to go to. He wanted to go to Geelong.

Pick 7 was such a gift that Geelong (and half the comp) were keen on the deal. Attach pick 15 to the deal and Geelong might not have been keen. Plenty of other clubs still would've wanted Bowes for that deal. 

Plus the contract can work both ways. It's pretty routine in the NFL for contracted players to be traded to new teams but the team dealing them will very rarely trade them to a division rival.

The Suns could've said 'Hi Jack, you aren't best 22 and are overpaid, we'll send you and pick 15 to any team outside the 8 that you choose'. Essendon and Hawthorn gave him tours, he could've picked between them.

11 hours ago, deejammin' said:

The two are not mutually exclusive, ruckmen are key part of the midfield! Great midfields, with great ruckmen win premierships. Nankervis was integral to Richmonds premierships, Natanui West Coast’s, Gawn and Jackson ours, Stanley and Blitsavs Geelongs,  Big boy MacEvoy and Segler at Hawthorn, Ottens at Geelong, Dean Cox West Coast, the list goes on and on.
 I think Jackson was ahead of Nank this year but you can argue he’s behind him. My point stands, Jackson is in the top few ruckmen in the league and not easily replaceable, I’m hopeful Grundy will get back to 2018-19 form, as we all are, but Jackson is a top flight ruck.

JHF is all potential, he’s not in the top 20 mids in the comp right now, he may become a star, but he also may become an average mid, like many before him. That was my point and you may not agree, but it’s not insane nor full of non-sequiters, I think a lot of educated football people would agree. Time will tell, let’s tag this and wait five years, let’s see if JHF is in the top 10 mids in that time frame.

I agree with your point but Nik Nat was injured when Eagles won in 2018. 
 

4 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

Pick 7 was such a gift that Geelong (and half the comp) were keen on the deal. Attach pick 15 to the deal and Geelong might not have been keen. Plenty of other clubs still would've wanted Bowes for that deal. 

Plus the contract can work both ways. It's pretty routine in the NFL for contracted players to be traded to new teams but the team dealing them will very rarely trade them to a division rival.

The Suns could've said 'Hi Jack, you aren't best 22 and are overpaid, we'll send you and pick 15 to any team outside the 8 that you choose'. Essendon and Hawthorn gave him tours, he could've picked between them.

We are also a beneficiary of a salary dump - getting Grundy for a pick in the late 20s.

GC wanted to get rid of the contract and they did what they did.

 

34 minutes ago, Demonland said:

 

Wow wee! 

Gee talk about the fizzing out of a career..

https://twitter.com/RalphyHeraldSun/status/1579945414169853953?s=20&t=iWI3wM1BsJp92jvb-jpXZw

44 minutes ago, Demonland said:

 

Mitchell putting his stamp in the club

39 minutes ago, Demonland said:

 

If he picks Freo, they need to trade Lobb to get the pick.  You would be picking Freo, they are building a got list

I wonder why the Hunter deal is only a 'hail mary'.

Is it because of the Dogs or us? Seems like it may be a win win for both clubs, unless the dogs really don't want to let him go.